My opinion on gun control

[Dmaxboy08]

I will start off to say this may be long. I am not looking for a agruement thread and im not looking to get this thread locked with a nice gold colored lock.
I have thought long and hard about this issue. I have read the bills/bans that have been wrote and I do not agree with them one bit. The bills that explain the banning of ARs and mags that hold over 10 rounds are what I am referring to. I do not see how this will help/reduce killings with firearms. It takes one bullet to kill and most shootings occur at places where the victims are taken by surprise. I.e school and movie theaters. I have not read where a person has broken into a police station and opened fire or someone who had a large firefight with law enforcement.
I live in the state of Kentucky and I have my CCDW permit. Everyone on here knows what it takes to get these if your state permits it. You have to take a test, firing course, and a background check, which you have to pay for and pay for once a year. I also have my lisense to operate a vehicle. I had to take a written test and a live test in order to obtain it and I sitll have to pay to renew the lisense. In order to beable to hunt in KY you must first complete a hunters safety course. Again, the course consists of a written test and then you must shoot a target 3 times to show you know how to safety operate a firearm.
All 3 of these take responsibility. I propose this: If a person wants to purchase a firearm, they must first show they are knowledgeable in the fuction, safety, and laws of owning a firearm. They must pass a written exam and then pass a shooting course. A deep background check must be performed as well. I fully believe the NRA can come up with a course that covers all areas of firearm safety and laws. Just like a driver lisense, hunters lisense, and CCDW lisense, you must have a lisense to purchase firearms and it must be renewed every year.
This world will never be perfect afsnd there will always be death. No way around it. If guns are outlawed then only outlaws will have guns. I can not think of one thing that the goverment has made illegal that can not be bought.
Again this is my opinion. I have wrote this as well to congressmen and the President.
Thanks for taking the time to read this!

 

[SanJoseScott]

You won't get much argument and you would get a LOT of agreement if any of those things you mentioned would have helped avoid the type of shootings that tear our hearts out.

Columbine: Two HS students who were under age illegally aquired the guns and went on the rampage

Connecticut: The 20 year old (underage for gun ownership) stole the guns from his mother, the legal owner

Aurora: This "joker" was mentally ill with history of attempted suicide and should never had been able to access firearms.

If the current gun laws were enforced these and most other incidents would have never happened.

I do agree that receiving safety training and passing a test should be things that are done to ensure safe handling of firearms. I remember taking my .22 rifle to school for NRA safety class that was held after school. Gun safety and responsible ownership are not the debate but the right to even own guns at all that is under attack.

Of course being knowledgable, not breaking the law, and having a goverment issued ID should also be required by anyone who wields the most powerful weapon we have....the right to vote.

 

[RaceBannon]

With all due respect, this won't change the minds of those who want to ban gun ownership and it will just weaken our position.
If it becomes more difficult to purchase or own a gun, we will have fewer gun owners. Fewer gun owners is the last thing we need if we want to protect our rights.

 

[Vision Remodeling]

The only thing I have seen put forth that would be positive or could possibly help is background checks for all gun sales(private sales). I just don't see how that can be implemented without registration and I am totaly aganist that.

 

[Arik]

Your problem is that you're using LOGIC! Please stop, to understand the anti gun crowd you have to suspend that. Kinda like watching the Road Runner cartoons

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[Dmaxboy08]

With all due respect, this won't change the minds of those who want to ban gun ownership and it will just weaken our position.
If it becomes more difficult to purchase or own a gun, we will have fewer gun owners. Fewer gun owners is the last thing we need if we want to protect our rights.

I think that is where the problem is. I think sometimes we get caught up in "strength in numbers" while 51% of those owners are the crazy, underage, mental health issue people who do not care about NRA, gun ownership rights, or the simple fun of the sport or owning and shooting a firearm that make the other 49% look bad and drag them down as well.

PLEASE dont misunderstand me. I want the right to own firearms. Im not trying to push for any bans. I fully support the NRA and donate. I do not want to have my name on a list of gun owners, but the way I see it, we are at a point where there will be actions. There is no way around that.
Would you want to give up everything or just some? Again please understand im not wanting any of this. If it came down to the wire, I would want what I wrote in my first post to happen instead of banning firearms.

 

[Moonman]

CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAWS.

Remember that phrase, the Forefathers had it right.

 

[sarge1967]

The mental health issue is a very slippery slope. We have tons of returning combat vets with PTSD. From what I have heard many of them are being denied their right to keep and bear arms. When a Govt like we now have defines all the terms and conditions even Alter Boys will not be able to own guns.

 

[HotRoderX]

All I can say is give them a inch they want a mile. I think your idea's are sound but they would twist it. I could see a deep background check having to be completely clean. When I say completely clean. What I mean is I could easily see them using any speeding tickets, parking tickets, car accidents, etc against you.

I really think right now the 2a arguments are just there to distract the nation from a economy that continues to suffer. My friend made a valid point the economy is going to get a lot worse now that the holiday season is over and all the part timers company's hired since October are let go.

 

[CoMF]

My concerns with that system are:

What if TPTB set the "standards" so impossibly high that only the wealthy and politically connected can pass such a test? (e.g. New York)

What if someone who falls within poverty guidelines can't afford the licensing? Will they receive reduced or waived fees provided they furnish proof of income?

What protections will be put into place to prevent databases of registered firearms purchasers from being abused for more insidious purposes like targetting firearms owners for confiscation schemes?

How will existing firearms owners fit into these new requirements? Will they be grandfathered in? How will this law affect inherited firearms?

 

[RaceBannon]

I understand that you're not in favor of gun control, but that is exactly what you are proposing. You are suggesting that we place further restrictions on gun ownership in an attempt to appease the gun grabbers. What is proving your competence to and paying an annual license renewal fee to the state supposed to accomplish? If, for the sake of argument, we have a problem with guns in this country, It's due to ill intent not incompetence. Licensing law abiding gun owners will not reduce crime, it will only reduce the number of law abiding gun owners. The vast majority of guns owners are obviously quite capable of staying out of trouble without a license. We don't need to reduce our numbers, we need to increase them. Above all else, licensing will not convince the likes of Feinstein and Bloomberg that you need to own a handgun or modern rifle.

 

[Martya]

My concerns with that system are:

What if TPTB set the "standards" so impossibly high that only the wealthy and politically connected can pass such a test? (e.g. New York)

What if someone who falls within poverty guidelines can't afford the licensing? Will they receive reduced or waived fees provided they furnish proof of income?

What protections will be put into place to prevent databases of registered firearms purchasers from being abused for more insidious purposes like targetting firearms owners for confiscation schemes?

How will existing firearms owners fit into these new requirements? Will they be grandfathered in? How will this law affect inherited firearms?

This and a million other questions and roadblocks and controls and layers of bureaucracy pop up when the government starts "infringing."

 

[Buffalohunter60]

"Shall not be infringed" means just exackly what is says. The second ammendment was crafted to protect us from a brutal government.....it is clear as glass. Anything less is unacceptable and an infringment on our freedom.

 

[StatesRightist]

"Shall not be infringed" means just exackly what is says. The second ammendment was crafted to protect us from a brutal government.....it is clear as glass. Anything less is unacceptable and an infringment on our freedom.

.....and supporting anything less than this is cowardly. The Founding Fathers did not form this country on the premise of England's going to force us to go along, so we'll just coalesce to giving up some rights on our own to satisfy them.

 

[Big Fred]

To the OP, sorry I don't agree with any of that ****. We have too many gun laws now and only a small fraction of them are enforced. WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE GUN LAWS.

 

[steamloco76]

The mental health issue is a very slippery slope. We have tons of returning combat vets with PTSD. From what I have heard many of them are being denied their right to keep and bear arms. When a Govt like we now have defines all the terms and conditions even Alter Boys will not be able to own guns.

Vice President Biden would love to be able to access every gun owner/purchasers medical and prescription drug records. In today's high stress, must have it done NOW!!! society millions of normal Americans are on prescriptions for stress/anxiety, insomnia or seasonal depression. The vast majority of these people are NOT mentally ill and have no mental illness in their medical records. If Biden get prescription record access, boom all of a sudden the millions of hard working gun owners on any medication that deals with the brain will be denied firearms ownership. People with any issue requiring any drug that can be related in any way to "mental health issues" would likely forgo treatment rather than risk their firearms. Not a good situation.

A very dangerous, slippery slope away from a Democratic Republic into a Socialist "Democracy" is the path we are now on.

 

[moe l.]

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[sambuh]

Similar question I saw yesterday, here was my response... Some context. Question was asked, someone chimed in about mental health, and video games and movies. Someone else responded by saying Canada has the same video games, but no guns and look at their crime rate... This was my response;

"I think this far more complex than just banning assault weapons, magazines, load, etc. it's also far more complex than video games, and movies. it's fair to say, in as much as technology has helped develop motor skills, the abuse, conversely, of any of the same technology can and has proved to create a detached walking zombie. That isn't to say you give a kid addicted to call of duty a 9mm he will shoot up a class room. But it's a factor, right? Whether small or otherwise, it's a factor. Also, it's not so easy to draw a direct correlation to gun ownership and crime. Where I live, gun ownership, open and conceal carry is wildly popular. We had two gun murders last year. Both were in severely underdeveloped areas (economically, socially, and education). I really believe this is a large part of the equation. Look at Toronto last year, 58 homicides. Look at an equally sized city, in the US, Richmond, 48 homicides. The majority of those were in the south side, where the least of the wealthiest, and educated reside. My point is simply, it's a more complex issue than guns or no guns. I'm not sure where I stand on an assault weapon ban however life and liberty are our rights according to natural law, and inalienable. And if I am afforded the right to life, than I am afforded the right to defend it. And to defend it by any means, within the context of the law. Sorry, long post. Apologies!"

My point being, get a grip on education and the economy. Also, murders regardless of guns or not will happen. 58 I'm Toronto. Of those 58, 4 were by handguns, and 95% of all murders occurred in an economically under developed part of the city. 48 murders in Richmond. An equally sized city. But the majority of those murders, by guns, also in economically underdeveloped part of town. The point being, guns or not, people kill. We don't have a gun problem. We have a socioeconomic problem. A socially uneven societal problem. And all the more reason we SHOULD be afforded the right to protect our selves.

 

[Dennis The B]

There are differences between hunting and owning a firearm, and the two aren't necessarily related.

The state through enacted legislation sets rules for hunting; the length of the season, where, when, and what type of firearms. And most of us hunt on land which we don't own. We're there at the invitation of the owner. That's a privilege, subject to licensing and control (competency, safety, etc.).

The 2nd Amendment is an enumerated right. While all of the Bill of Rights are enumerated, they antecede the U.S. Constitution. Even without the language, the rights exist. They exist because we are human beings, capable of recognizing the rights of others. Our rights are actions which we can exercise, and not harm nor inconvenience another. I can keep and bear arms, and it has no effect on someone else. I can be safe and secure in my home, and your same rights are not affected. I can speak, but you don't have to listen, and nothing I say affects your right to speak.

It's no more complicated than that.

 

[gumpys]

I will start off to say this may be long. I am not looking for a agruement thread and im not looking to get this thread locked with a nice gold colored lock.
I have thought long and hard about this issue. I have read the bills/bans that have been wrote and I do not agree with them one bit. The bills that explain the banning of ARs and mags that hold over 10 rounds are what I am referring to. I do not see how this will help/reduce killings with firearms. It takes one bullet to kill and most shootings occur at places where the victims are taken by surprise. I.e school and movie theaters. I have not read where a person has broken into a police station and opened fire or someone who had a large firefight with law enforcement.
I live in the state of Kentucky and I have my CCDW permit. Everyone on here knows what it takes to get these if your state permits it. You have to take a test, firing course, and a background check, which you have to pay for and pay for once a year. I also have my lisense to operate a vehicle. I had to take a written test and a live test in order to obtain it and I sitll have to pay to renew the lisense. In order to beable to hunt in KY you must first complete a hunters safety course. Again, the course consists of a written test and then you must shoot a target 3 times to show you know how to safety operate a firearm.
All 3 of these take responsibility. I propose this: If a person wants to purchase a firearm, they must first show they are knowledgeable in the fuction, safety, and laws of owning a firearm. They must pass a written exam and then pass a shooting course. A deep background check must be performed as well. I fully believe the NRA can come up with a course that covers all areas of firearm safety and laws. Just like a driver lisense, hunters lisense, and CCDW lisense, you must have a lisense to purchase firearms and it must be renewed every year.
This world will never be perfect afsnd there will always be death. No way around it. If guns are outlawed then only outlaws will have guns. I can not think of one thing that the goverment has made illegal that can not be bought.
Again this is my opinion. I have wrote this as well to congressmen and the President.
Thanks for taking the time to read this!

Sounding pretty anti 2A to me.