My opinion on gun control

We need to remember. The problem is not the gun or gun safety or firearm training or registration. The problem is Bad People Do Bad Things. The 5 worst mass murders in this country did not include a firearm. There are thousands of murders and tens of thousands of assaults in this country every year that do not involve firearms. The 2nd Amendment is clear and that is all we need to justify ownership.
 
They want to ban guns because they cant enforce the laws that are already in place. They cant even control their own spending, let alone my guns! What a joke... Look at them- they suck at their jobs. They are well paid to be inefficient, arrogant a@# kissers. Now I feel a little better:D

Seriously, no more gun laws. If they call for confiscation, look for a militia to join and fight for your future.
 
Not the time for laws against honest people

Do not let them pass any more laws or restrictions at all until the criminal gangs, mostly drug gangs, are completely disarmed. They are responsible for most killing.

Until the time illegal drugs no longer get smuggled across federal and state borders. When no drug labs exist. When no gangs are hooking our kids on drugs, then beating or killing them to collect drug payment, or to prevent them from being “snitches” we have nothing to talk about.
 
I just reread the 2nd amendment and I could not find any place that said a safety class, owners permit is required to exercise this right. This is one of the reasons I don't trust the NRA. They will agree to a mandatory NRA safety class prior to gun ownership as acceptable gun control because it will line their pockets.
 
I just reread the 2nd amendment and I could not find any place that said a safety class, owners permit is required to exercise this right. This is one of the reasons I don't trust the NRA. They will agree to a mandatory NRA safety class prior to gun ownership as acceptable gun control because it will line their pockets.

and that's what it's all about.
 
The Founder's intent. Go here.....

Federalist Papers Essay 46. Mr Madison will explain why we need an armed citizenry. This essay was written prior to his writing of what we now call the Second Amendment. The Bill of Rights came later on during the ratification process. Within six months after ratification congress passed "The Militia Act of 1792".

The armed citizenry is intended to be the "Well regulated militia" of the 2A.
Where is the "Well regulated militia" of the 2A and of the U.S. Constitution, art. 1, sec. 8? It should still be out there. The Constitution has not been amended. So, where is it?

This is why the gun grabbers fear an armed population. Our Rights come from God. Our Rights are guaranteed by the Constitution. Our stance should always be behind that document. The argument begins and ends there. Anything else is a watered down, weak kneed position, trying to entreaty bad government to extend its privileges down to the people.
 
For those who do not support they NRA, what gun organization DO YOU belong to and contribute to?
 
Preaching to the choir won't help. This debate reminds me of the ones over abortion, capital punishment, so-called gay marriage and many others. Few minds are ever changed by trying to appeal to reason. Gun control is an emotional topic like the others and emotions typically override reason and logic. You can talk till you're blue in the face about freedom, responsibility, the law, etc., and it boils down to a matter of individual conscience and what is right and wrong. Some people just don't know or want to know the difference between good and evil. On the intellectual and constitutional side, one must remember that the Second Amendment leaves room for argument. How, for example, is "A well-regulated militia..." to be interpreted in modern times? "The right of the people to bear ARMS shall not be infringed." What kind of arms? Are there limitations? This, it seems to me, is the crux of the argument and the one that judges and courts have wrestled with for 230 years, still without resolution. Up to now the Supreme Court has stood on the side of the 2A but with more liberal judges a certainty under Obama the tipping point might be reached. Lastly, Obama can get around Congress by issuing executive orders that have the force of law.
 
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The problem with the logic in your proposal is that you are treating a right the same as a privilege.

Under our Constitution, a right is something not bestowed by government but by our Creator. A right is something every man has and shares, regardless of any form of government.

A privilege is a power created and bestowed by the government. Since you use roads provided by the government, driving is a privilege the government grants to you allowing you to use those roads. And in granting you the privilege, the government may set qualifications you must meet regarding the exercise of your privilege.

With a right, since the government is not the authority bestowing the right, they have little to no power to regulate a right.

Note that there are provisions within the Bill of Rights, that grant some latitude to the government in the area of rights. But those provisions apply only to the right specified. For example, the Fourth Amendment prohibits the government from conducting "unreasonable" searches and seizures. With regard to the Second amendment, there is not only no "reasonableness" language pertaining to the right to keep and bear arms, the language "shall not be infringed" is there to impose serious limitations on any government interference.

The "blurring" of the distinction between rights and privileges is a tactic employed by the gun control crowd. It makes their goal that much easier when they do not have to face the fact that they can do little with a right.

What people need to understand and take to heart is this: as goes the Second Amendment, so goes the Bill of Rights. Any limitation or qualification of the Second Amendment can (and will in the future) be used concerning all other rights.

The current "debate" on gun control is not about guns but about control. And the overwhelming media coverage and push has planted more than a few seeds that guns are the cause. Remember, it is the Bill of Rights we are discussing, not the Bill of Needs.

And for those tempted to move into the "ban assault weapons" camp because their interests in firearms is not in assault weapons, I am reminded of this:

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the catholics,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a catholic.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

The approach being used is the incremental reduction and elimination of the Second Amendment. Take a little at a time so people don't notice. Boil the frog slowly.

Finally, any discussion on qualifications for owning a gun begins with the presumption that people are not responsible for their own actions and the government must step in. It is typical "nanny state" thinking, presuming that the government better than the individual knows what is right for him or her. Having been a "cold warrior" for over 20 years, I recognize that philsophy right away - it is called communism.
 
Preaching to the choir won't help. This debate reminds me of the ones over abortion, capital punishment, so-called gay marriage and many others. Few minds are ever changed by trying to appeal to reason. Gun control is an emotional topic like the others and emotions typically override reason and logic. You can talk till you're blue in the face about freedom, responsibility, the law, etc., and it boils down to a matter of individual conscience and what is right and wrong. Some people just don't know or want to know the difference between good and evil. On the intellectual and constitutional side, one must remember that the Second Amendment leaves room for argument. How, for example, is "A well-regulated militia..." to be interpreted in modern times? "The right of the people to bear ARMS shall not be infringed." What kind of arms? Are there limitations? This, it seems to me, is the crux of the argument and the one that judges and courts have wrestled with for 230 years, still without resolution. Up to now the Supreme Court has stood on the side of the 2A but with more liberal judges a certainty under Obama the tipping point might be reached. Lastly, Obama can get around Congress by issuing executive orders that have the force of law.

The Founding Fathers made it ABUNDANTLY clear what they meant in multiple statements and writings both before and after the Constitution. Any confusion is purposeful and not justified.

It's crystal clear how this is going to have to be handled, any attempt at confiscation has to be met with whatever level of resistance is necessary to thwart it.
 
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