My one late boss used to go boating and when arriving at a place to anchor would fire a couple rounds off with a Remington 1100 Magnum for effect. When he decided to sell all of his guns I bought it.
My "repel boarders" gun
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Well, I ain't got me one of them, but I am thinkin on it. Trouble is I have no idea where to start. There are too many ways to make a mistake for the uninformed
A Smith & Wesson Sport II (Optics Ready Version) would be a safe bet for a first, or only, AR-15.
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Who knows? If the "Red Dawn" scenario ever comes to pass, I would use this piece as my preferred gun for repelling boarders.
Compact. Maneuverable. Accurate. Easily available ammo. Equipped for night usage. Fast red dot sight.
What's yours?
John
Couldn't you find anything else to hang on that?
Beretta CX-4 9mm PCC pairs nicely with my Beretta 92s for Urban/home situations inside 50-75 yds.
AR with red dot or 1-5 scope for a longer reach
Scoped CZ American in .223/5.56 w/ a few 5rd mags as a light sniper.
Ruger 77 in .243 for a bit more punch
AR with red dot or 1-5 scope for a longer reach
Scoped CZ American in .223/5.56 w/ a few 5rd mags as a light sniper.
Ruger 77 in .243 for a bit more punch
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I would definitely attach a coffee grinder.....Couldn't you find anything else to hang on that?
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Couldn't you find anything else to hang on that?
I would definitely attach a coffee grinder.....
Probably something else that won't work because the battery died........
I didn't carry a M16, I rode so weight wasn't a factor. The amazing thing to me was the weight. Now they have piled so much stuff on the gun that I bet a M4 goes close to M14 weight. My PSA carbine feels like a brick compared to Vietnam era m16s.
Like I said I don't like my PSA but was interested in the new PSA on the
H&R rights they ended up with. To produce and AR retro M16a1 style.
Like I said I don't like my PSA but was interested in the new PSA on the
H&R rights they ended up with. To produce and AR retro M16a1 style.
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*Well, I ain't got me one of them, but I am thinkin on it. Trouble is I have no idea where to start. There are too many ways to make a mistake for the uninformed
Search for "The Chart" by "Tactical Yellow Visor". It is likely 10 years old in its original version, but he goes through some the specs that impact what it a "serious" AR platform (built to the AR standard; 5.56X45 chamber, etc.). I was first exposed to the Bravo Company platforms in a Pat Rogers class, and bought my first one soon after. I don't mind spending twice as much for the BCM over some other brands, in part because almost all of the knock-off variants showed malfunctions in Pat's classes.
I don't know if BCM still advertises the EAG/Pat Rogers package, but that's what mine are. Buy once, cry once. Get good quality ammo and magazines (PMags are the standard) lube it well, and drive on. Don't let the cleaning fetishists influence you; a modest 5 minute wipe down every few thousand rounds is plenty. (Search for Pat's "Filthy 14", which had well over 40K rounds through it without cleaning.)
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I remember the "ABC" days ......................
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Had a Colt in the 90s which I "traded" to an officer to be his "patrol rifle" and got a Bushmaster. which I still have with a 1.5-4 scope. and ACE fixed stock.
My "light sniper/ designated marksman" rifle vs a Patrol Rifle with a Aimpoint PRO.
After 8 years on High School and College Rifle Teams I've still got a soft spot for Bolt guns......like the CZ 527s in .223/5.56 with detachable 5rd magazines
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Bushmaster
Colt
Had a Colt in the 90s which I "traded" to an officer to be his "patrol rifle" and got a Bushmaster. which I still have with a 1.5-4 scope. and ACE fixed stock.
My "light sniper/ designated marksman" rifle vs a Patrol Rifle with a Aimpoint PRO.
After 8 years on High School and College Rifle Teams I've still got a soft spot for Bolt guns......like the CZ 527s in .223/5.56 with detachable 5rd magazines
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Funny you should mention that. I was just thinking the same thing.
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In the early 21 century, I used a Beretta 390 "Golden Clays" for my primary Sporting Clays gun. The FM says break down and clean every 500 rounds or end of season, whichever comes first. 500 round is often less than 2 weeks in the thick of the season, so I let it go about 4 years without a break down. It went 12 to 15 thousand rounds of reloads (much dirtier than name brand factory ammo!) before the FTF's began to appear. So about 3000 rounds later I tore it all the way down. The powder fouling/powder varnish was so thick inside the cation, it was difficult to take apart, because all the wiggle room you need was full! It took around 2 weeks of "An Hour here and an Hour there" soaking and cleaning to get it clean as new. Once reassembled it needed to have a little more lube than when new, but that was at around 6oK rounds so that seems to be normal. If you only shot Winchester, Remington or Federal shotgun ammo I can see making it 40K rounds without a major cleaning!
My AR's get very little cleaning, and my two sons that are vets complain about it. Yes, even with my BCG packed with Carbon fouling, I have never had a FTF or any cycling problems. Part of that is my AR loads are with WW748 Ball Powder. (we save the Varget and IMR 3031 for bolt guns!)
(Side Note: The son that was a Paratrooper and carried an M4 only owns full sized long guns and the Marine that was issued full sized M-16 A1 & A2 only owns M4 sized ARs and short shotguns.)
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Gotta have semi-auto rate of fire against those buggers.
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They are? If that's true then it's hilarious because Smith & Wesson just finally jumped onboard the free float optics ready bandwagon with the M&P15 Sport III and discontinued the Sport II with the basic A2 front sight post.
My two favorite variations of the AR-15 are the old M-16A2 and the M4A1, namely because those were the two I saw the most of, so when I think "AR-15" it's either one of the other that comes to mind.
I'm going to have to disagree with all of this. "The Chart" is not only several years out of date, but was never entirely accurate to begin with, and Rob_s abandoned it for no better reason than getting upset by the fact that manufacturers began using it as a benchmark and referencing it to promote their products. If anything, he should have been both flattered and proud that his chart had driven the industry forward by raising the standards of quality of ARs on the civilian market, but instead he just got mad because it was being used for marketing and he couldn't monetize it because it was a publicly available document.
"The Chart" is no longer relevant because most mid-high range ARs have long since used it as a benchmark, but even low-end ARs can be updated by the end user to include the specialty TDP-approved stuff like H Buffers, MPI/HPT Bolts, etc.
Furthermore, the whole "buy once, cry once" adage just doesn't apply to the AR Market at large anymore because it has become so large that competition has driven prices down without compromising quality, so high priced ARs are more about bragging rights than actual meaningful quality increases.
When it comes to ARs, the rule of Diminishing Returns kicks in hard once you pass the $1000 mark, and after that it becomes less about purchasing a rugged, reliable, go-to-war rifle/carbine and more about aesthetics, fit, and finish. All fine stuff if you want it, but not vital in the least.
It's pretty hard to justify that the "buy once, cry once" mindset still has any merit in the AR Market when there are guys with $350 prebuilt PSAs assembled from an assortment of parts by respected brands like Colt, FN, BCM, and more.
If anything, the old adage, "buy cheap, stack deep" applies more to ARs these days because if you buy parts during sales then you can easily build upon an entry level AR and turn it into a beast by swapping out parts for better ones as time goes by.
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Did you ever notice when they are making promo for autoloaders they always have a guy cranking a bolt gun overhand. Even some of the so called experts, more correctly historians , seem to have a lot of trouble jacking a bolt gun. I get a kick out of old DOD film of M1 trials where they had a guy proned out that looked like he was swimming to run an 1903.
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and all legal like. do have some Rock River's and PSA upper thrown in the mix. All have chromed bores/chambers
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I have to admit that my fondness and preference for the M1A faded for various reasons and I moved on to ARs. However, as someone else noted, repelling boarders is a CQB operation. Thus:
Ideally, this Ithaca Model 37's barrel could be a little shorter but it should suffice.
To keep boarders from getting close enough to board is a different matter:
Bushmaster X15 ES2 - this keeps them far away!!! The only time I like a red dot is on an AR-type rifle and that's all I'll hang on there.
Ideally, this Ithaca Model 37's barrel could be a little shorter but it should suffice.
To keep boarders from getting close enough to board is a different matter:
Bushmaster X15 ES2 - this keeps them far away!!! The only time I like a red dot is on an AR-type rifle and that's all I'll hang on there.
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