my response to "no guns allowed" sign

[redneckemt]

Gun owners are own worst enemy. Smart@ss comments and actions in protest of Gun Free zones do what exactly? Educate business owners not be jerks too the folks who just work their. Look at the Starbucks drama. Its the business owners business you don't like his rules tell him not his employees and take your business elsewhere, and make sure he knows why. Come on people the left is attacking us daily, don't give them an inch. Acting a fool hurts our cause.

 

[Jhawk412]

I can read the constitution and I believe all these laws forbidding keeping and bearing arms, whether a state law or hardware store "no guns" sign, violates the constitution. I simply don't let them violate my rights, unless there's a metal detector involved.

 

[redneckemt]

I can read the constitution and I believe all these laws forbidding keeping and bearing arms, whether a state law or hardware store "no guns" sign, violates the constitution. I simply don't let them violate my rights, unless there's a metal detector involved.

The Constitution protects your rights from the Goverenment. It does not allow you to go onto private property and do whatever you want against the wished of the property owner.

You have the right to take your business elsewhere. Not act a fool.

 

[Road Rat]

I cannot demand that one respect my 2A Rights and at the same time ignore someone else's Private Property Rights. Whether the sign is worded correctly in the appropriate font and letter height and "carries the power of the law" or whether it is "just a preference" on the part of the proprietor, the message is as clear as a "no trespassing" sign - and if you doubt the validity of those, find the threads about farmers and hunting season! I simply make note of it and avoid such places.

Easy-Peasy...

NOPE. The hardware store is open to the public. The farmers land is totally private. Apples and oranges!!

As long as the signs NO GUNS has no legal bearing and I keep my CCW concealed it is no ones business. Just the lawyers trying to do good.................and failing.

 

[Lost Lake]

But what sort of history did you know or what sort of intel did you have that made you feel the need for protection in a hardware store?

When my wife asked why I felt the need to pocket carry in my ski pants, I told her because my crystal ball was broken and I didn't know WHEN I may need to protect myself or her.....

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[blujax01]

NOPE. The hardware store is open to the public. The farmers land is totally primate. Apples and oranges!!

As long as the signs NO GUNS has no legal bearing and I keep my CCW concealed it is no ones business. Just the lawyers trying to do good.................and failing.

So you ignore the posted hours on the door, too?

"CLOSED"??? Not the law, just a preference...

I could continue to point out how wrong you are but it would be useless.

 

[sambuh]

Hey All,
I live in VT, which has Constitutional carry (no permit needed to carry a firearm concealed).

I have a permit for a neighboring state (NH) and frequently shop at a hardware/home builder's store located in NH.

After years of shopping there, I suddenly see a sign on the front door: "no firearms allowed".

I am, of course, carrying concealed.

I am on a mission to purchase 5 gallons of paint, an expensive infra-red heater, and various tools and wood for a project.

The first thing I do, however, is go to the aisle with tools in it, grab a nice Hatchet, and stick it in the loop of my carpenter's Carhartt pants.

After I am done shopping, while at the check-out, the clerk asks, "Are you buying that Hatchet"?

I reply, "no, but I saw your NO GUNS sign, and wanted some form of self protection while shopping".

He did not laugh....but seemed baffled.

I know, I know, I shouldn't shop there if I do not honor or agree with their policy.......but it is the "Live Free or Die" state, and I choose to shut up and carry concealed.

Funniest part was, I WAS carrying concealed while this occurred!
(I know that some will flame me for this....and I can accept that!)

Hahahaha that was funny. And I carry when I see a sign that reads no guns allowed. I understand their position, but on any given day I'd rather be caught with it than without. Although, I try to avoid most of these places at all costs! (If I can)


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[66snub]

In Michigan, the signs that these businesses post are not enforceable under law and are simply the wishes and preferences of the business owner. It is not against the law to carry in these establishments, and they may only ask you to leave if they find that you are carrying.

The illegal part is when you choose to, instead, stay at their establishment after being asked off of the premises. Then you are trespassing. That is when the law is able to step in. Not until.

If I get called to come and deal with a situation where a business has found that someone is CCW-ing in their establishment and no one has approached this person to ask them off, I will simply wait until an employee has asked that person to leave (in my presence) and then I will take it from there.

 

[MSG Glenn]

I carry wherever I go even if I think I won't need to. I have been unable to determine where that is. I avoid places that won't allow me to carry unless it's absolutely necessary that I go there. No gun signs have the force of law in WI.

 

[dougb1946]

NOPE. The hardware store is open to the public. The farmers land is totally primate. Apples and oranges!!

As long as the signs NO GUNS has no legal bearing and I keep my CCW concealed it is no ones business. Just the lawyers trying to do good.................and failing.

I disagree . The sign has a legal bearing but you refuse to acknowledge it, and lose the moral high ground.

The business, like the farm, is private property. The owner does get to set the rules, within a broad framework of laws. You are not in a protected group. Saying that the signs have no legal effect is just a way of rationalizing poor behavior. The sign that you choose to ignore is the store owners polite way of informing you upfront that carrying a gun onto his property is against his rules, and that is trespassing.. He does not need a sign or a reason to trespass you. The signs laws just point out procedures, whether the store owner needs to personally tell you, and lets you know at what point the law drops the hammer. The trespass starts when you walk past the sign. That is the definition of trespass.

The reciprocal behavior is the store owner has a picnic in your back yard, because he doesn't believe in your property rights, or your neighbor climbing a fence to get at your swimming pool. Not only illegal behavior, but rude. Your rights end where the store owners begins. This is a situation that just calls for a MWAG call and spreading the trespasser on the floor.

Rationalize it any way you want, the law calls it "trespass", a centuries old crime that recognizes the owners right to control what is his. You do not have a legal or moral right to enter in violation of the rules. You don't like the owners rules, your legal and moral options are 1) go elsewhere, 2) convince the owner to change the rule, 3)explain to the nice cop why your right to carry trumps the owners rights. The cop will not agree with you.

Farmers land is not "primate" or primal, or primitive. Between clearing, leveling, ditching and draining, and fencing, being worked with modern equipment, and selling for 2 to 12 thousand dollars an acre, a farm is a high tech food factory, with the purpose of making money for the owner. The "No Guns" sign is precisely the same as the farmers "No Hunting or Trespassing" sign.

 

[worm5932]

I agree with the statement that gun owners are their own worst enemies. this might be a little off topic but I read a lot of stories about people excersizing their 2nd amendment rights and it going all wrong, and the police are to blame.

anyone who thinks its ok to do something like, open carry an AR through the mall because its your right, is an IDIOT. those circumstances are exactly why we carry a concealed weapon, if I were to see that I would be on high alert while I call the police. honestly, that kind of act could scare someone into cardiac arrest.

when I took the training for my license the lawyer who taught the legal part did NOT condone carrying where posted not to. what he did say was if there is someone drowning in a lake with a no swimming sign, you wont be fined for swimming in to save the person.
im in Illinois and don't actually have my license yet, applied last Thursday. my belief is I am an honest, law abiding citizen. I will carry my CONCEALED weapon and no one will be the wiser. no one other than my wife will know I have a firearm unless they were a threat and they were just stopped.

 

[zzclancy]

Don't worry about the clip on knife. It's the concealed gun that I'm going to shoot you with. The knife is just for decoration, I'm to old to fight with you.

If its not federal property, or a place with metal detectors I don't worry about it. You will never no, unless I need to use it. And to quote Hilliary Clinton, "at that point, what difference will it make".

 

[rock_castle]

I'm sorry. This isn't really a flame. But what sort of history did you know or what sort of intel did you have that made you feel the need for protection in a hardware store?

Wow. Just wow.

 

[donmateo25]

I carry a folding knife on me which barely maxes legal length, I recently found out Pizza Hut is a "no weapons" zone. I still carry it in my jeans' change pocket as I always do. I do at the mall, too. We have police and armed guards here at home in the mall and schools, so if the requirement of police in the mall doesn't give cause to stay frosty, I don't know what does.

As much as I am thankful to have an awesome police force here, they openly admit they are understaffed and cannot contain the crime in this town, so I have no problem packing defense.

 

[Lost Lake]

No gun signs have the force of law in WI.

Thats the way I understand it also.

If a sign is posted and you carry anyway, you are breaking the law and are subject to a $200 fine.

I've been taking my chances and carrying anyway. I can afford a $200 fine. I can't afford to be defenseless because some idiot posted a sign.

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[jtpur]

I'm sorry. This isn't really a flame. But what sort of history did you know or what sort of intel did you have that made you feel the need for protection in a hardware store?

And you made your Constitutional protest to the checkout clerk?

I see you have a badge next to your screen name. I would assume you are current or retired LE. Are you kidding me. You have never investigated a violent crime in a retail establishment. He'll I investigated a homicide in a drug store, bar, grocery store, cement plant and yeah a hardware store too. I failed to mention the other 100 or so homicide scenes I went to in 20 years.

 

[rayban]

I would have charged you for the hatchet.....after all, you "used" it to protect yourself.

 

[islamoradamark]

when carrying concaled it is a part of your body. if nobody knows no harm no foul as far as going on the farrmers land big difference your there carrying in open and looking to hunt. the other reason if there are metal detectors because there is a reason for that. or maybe the guy should not have a hardware store there lots of tools in there that can do alot of damage, more so than carrying consealed or maybe he just wants u to leave it in your car so he can steal it. lots of opinions here thats y we are here just my 2 cents lets not get excited

 

[JSR III]

Really, what if the sign said "NO BLACKS ALLOWED". According to some of you, private property, those are the owners rules and if you disobey you are trespassing.

Fortunately, the first amendment allows you to make such ridiculous statements. But also fortunately, the second amendment allows me the right to bear arms. Our forefathers felt that second only to freedom of speech was the right of free men to bear arms. The first thing that dictators do is disarm the citizens, gee I wonder why?

I drive an SUV with no trunk and therefore no place to secure my firearm if left in the vehicle. So I have a choice of violating my states carry laws or ignoring an illegal sign.

I choose the latter.

I'm sorry. This isn't really a flame. But what sort of history did you know or what sort of intel did you have that made you feel the need for protection in a hardware store?

or an elementary school, or a movie theater or a shopping mall.

Like they say on TV, COME ON MAN????

 

[TexasArmed]

I observe legal enforceable posted signs like the 30.06 sign in Texas. I do not comply with suggested signs, like the yellow recommended speed limit signs. In Texas if the owner of a business property does not want you to carry he can simply post a legal sign on each entrance that complies with Texas Law. I am expected to comply with Texas law so I expect the owner's signs to do the same.