My Sad .40 Shield Story...

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After chasing availability of the .40 Shield for almost 6 months, I finally found one which was recently made according to the shell envelope. I bought it at full MSRP plus tax and rushed home to fondle my new find!

I was immediately disappointed by the top-heavy lack of balance when loaded (even worse when unloaded); the rough, gritty, overly heavy trigger pull; the extreme difficulty loading the magazines (I actually sliced off a piece of my thumb on the mag lip when a stubborn round slipped as I was pushing it into the magazine); the cheap, rough, almost "sandy" feel of the polymer grip; the sloppy, wobbly fit of the magazines in the well; and the absolutely user-unfriendly, unintuitive, asinine, fragile yellow sear disconnector which requires a "tool" be inserted through the breech and fiddled around with to actuate the sear disconnector for takedown. (A real field-friendly maneuver, huh?)

What have the designers been "on" at Smith & Wesson???

As a very experienced shooter of S&W's (and other major brands) for decades; a championship combat pistol and revolver shooter; a former LEO and armorer; a S&W dealer for 25 years; and, a gun-lover for fifty years, I think I can judge a poorly designed pistol when I see & hold one. This is a classic example of a gun that is NOT ready for prime time defensive carry, in my opinion. It embodies too many compromises and shortcomings to be taken seriously.

What's to like about the Shield? Certainly NOT the retail price.

If you look hard enough at a Shield and set aside the initial disappointment over the above-listed factors, you may be able to make a case for the Shield's compact size, although there are several similarly-sized pistols already available with superior designs, lower cost and proven better reliability including Glock compacts, Sigs, Springfields, KelTecs and others.

You may like the fact that the Shield is the slimmest, shortest-barreled (but overly-long gripped) S&W 9mm or .40 produced to date but, that's a benefit only if you're a die-hard S&W fan. It doesn't translate well beyond the "I luv S&W" crowd. Overall, I think the Shield is a so-so pistol, highly hyped and overrated by so-called "pistol gurus" who love all guns given to them to test by any manufacturer who may sponsor them or advertise with them in the future. Discount their hype and the Shield is just another mediocre offering in a growing, crowded field of competitors. (Maybe a pink-colored Shield will help sell them when the artificially contrived shortages end and they pile up in inventory.)

The reliability, accuracy and dependability of the .40 Shield is also questionable because of the significant number of well-documented negative customer experiences. These include the well publicized "magazine drop" problem which persists to this day in even the most recent production .40 Shield pistols. Although S&W has a few "fixes" including steel vs. polymer mag catches and dimpled magazines, nothing to date has completely eliminated the problem with any certainty. It still occurs, seemingly at random and unpredictably as the pistol is "shot in". My personal opinion is that a combination of factors related to the design, materials and tolerances is responsible for the mag-drop and no easy fix is forthcoming short of a redesign, recall and complete frame replacement.

To anyone with sufficient knowledge of physics and firearms design, it becomes obvious that the polymer material and resulting frame structure varies slightly from production run to production run. This variance introduces changing tolerances and a varying degree of frame flexing. This is all due to polymer batch mix variance, molding tolerance variance, shooter anatomy, hold differences and magazine and catch production tolerance variances, etc. All this means is it's going to be a real bitch to fix, short of a significant frame redesign - not a good track record so far for this shorty-forty.

Well, because of these and other factors, I saved my ammo, rethought my emotion-charged buying decision and then, sold this mistake so I could move on. Maybe someday I'll be able to justify buying another Smith & Wesson product but I'm glad I didn't sell my Glocks and KelTecs before I got my hands on the Shield. I offer this to others who may be chasing one like I did - THINK before you buy!

For what it's worth, after sharing this experience here, I expect to be disparaged, criticized, derided and ridiculed by the S&W fanboys, so have at it....
 
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Can't speak for the Shield 40.

I have really enjoyed my shield 9mm. In fact I am thinking about a second for my daughter.

Russ
 
Can't speak for the Shield 40.

I have really enjoyed my shield 9mm. In fact I am thinking about a second for my daughter.

Russ
 
wow...after that tirade i can see why you only have four posts in the past four years!! all that being said...and with the boatload of experience that you relate...why in the world did you buy it???
good googly moogly :eek::eek:
 
wow...after that tirade i can see why you only have four posts in the past four years!! all that being said...and with the boatload of experience that you relate...why in the world did you buy it???
good googly moogly :eek::eek:

First, it wasn't a tirade. It was a shared experience. .

Secondly, I resent your mis-characterizing my post as such!

Third, to answer your question, I bought it because I was unaware of the mag-drop and other negatives that I SHOULD have known about had I done my research first and visited this forum BEFORE I bought it - My own fault, as I previously stated.
 
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I would have "fondled" it prior to purchasing, and NOT purchased it with that many dislikes.

You are absolutely right.

However, I bought under a LEO program from a seller where you walk out with a box, at your own risk - no display model, no open boxes, no friendly salesman to show you this or that - Just a model number and a price, bang the credit card, goodbye.

In this case, the seller does business with us like we are supposed to already be familiar with the item before we pick it up. Again, my fault for not doing my homework first.
 
bobdat try a 3913 or a 4040PD if you like the 40 round. You will be glad you did! Regards 18DAI
 
Please Explain

I am also not impressed & won't be getting one I may get a nice 3913 instead.

What are you basing your "not impressed" opinion on?

We can assume you don't own a Shield so have you actually shot another person's Shield or is your opinion based on holding a Shield at a gun store?

I have no problem with folks disliking a product but I think it would be useful to potential buyers if you explained in detail
why you are "not impressed" in the Shield.

I personally like my Shield because I can shoot all types of ammo with zero malfunctions unlike my Beretta Nano and Kahr CM9.

I like my Shield because the finish is durable and after 8 months packing 10 hours a day in my pocket there is zero wear marks.

I like my Shield because I can shoot tight groups.

I like my Shield because the recoil is soft.

I like my Shield because it is backed by S&W warranty.

I like my Shield because it is made in America.

I like my Shield for the trigger.

Russ
 
You are absolutely right.

However, I bought under a LEO program from a seller where you walk out with a box, at your own risk - no display model, no open boxes, no friendly salesman to show you this or that - Just a model number and a price, bang the credit card, goodbye.

In this case, the seller does business with us like we are supposed to already be familiar with the item before we pick it up. Again, my fault for not doing my homework first.

Yikes! Well, it makes sense then. But kind of like buying a new car without test driving it first. Hindsight's 20/20, but maybe next time, check out the gun you want at a retailer first and THEN buy through your LEO program? :D
 
Never tried the 40 Shield but do own the 9. I find it accurate, easy to carry, and have shot 1000 rounds without a hiccup. I like the longer grip with the 8 round mag. I'm from MA so the gun had to get the APEX kit to overcome the bad MA 10# trigger. IMO, which is like you know what because we all have one, the Shield in 9MM is a winner.
 
to the OP...........How many rounds did you put through it already?
 
For what it's worth, after sharing this experience here, I expect to be disparaged, criticized, derided and ridiculed by the S&W fanboys, so have at it....

Well, your review is not exactly objective, and the negative tone may offend some, but regardless it is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I don't agree with you, and I think the Shield 9mm is the best small pistol I have yet to encounter, and I've tried many of them.

Since you have already sold your Shield, there is little point in anyone refuting your points...and it comes down to opinions anyway. There are many people who deride Glocks and KelTecs too...but if they work for you, more power to you.

That's the great thing about America: we have choices, and we aren't limited to one make or model of gun. If everyone liked the same exact thing, there would only be one gun maker, right? ;)
 
First, it wasn't a tirade. It was a shared experience.
Secondly, I resent your mis-characterizing my post as such!

Third, to answer your question, I bought it because I was unaware of the mag-drop and other negatives that I SHOULD have known about had I done my research first and visited this forum BEFORE I bought it - My own fault, as I previously stated.

Finally, thank you for your "good googly moogly :eek::eek:" as it is very becoming of you.


from the last sentence of your initial post....seems you were expecting?anticipating?
i would like to know more of this "LEO PROGRAM" where you receive a box & do not so much as see the contents,pay FULL retail for the gun....thats an "odd" program and one anyone should avoid!
 
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Okay, some like it and some don't. Can anyone address the negative issues the OP noted? Seemed he was pretty detailed in noting all the faults he found with the gun. I don't own a shield and have never shot or handled one, so it seems that he gave some pretty good info.
 
Okay, some like it and some don't. Can anyone address the negative issues the OP noted? Seemed he was pretty detailed in noting all the faults he found with the gun. I don't own a shield and have never shot or handled one, so it seems that he gave some pretty good info.

These points?

"I was immediately disappointed by the top-heavy lack of balance when loaded (even worse when unloaded); the rough, gritty, overly heavy trigger pull; the extreme difficulty loading the magazines (I actually sliced off a piece of my thumb on the mag lip when a stubborn round slipped as I was pushing it into the magazine); the cheap, rough, almost "sandy" feel of the polymer grip; the sloppy, wobbly fit of the magazines in the well; and the absolutely user-unfriendly, unintuitive, asinine, fragile yellow sear disconnector which requires a "tool" be inserted through the breech and fiddled around with to actuate the sear disconnector for takedown. (A real field-friendly maneuver, huh?)"

My impression and experience with the Shield is entirely different. I don't find it top heavy; the trigger pull is actually better on the Shield than on earlier M&Ps; I've never had any difficulty loading the magazines (but then, I use an Uplula); I haven't noticed any wobble whatsoever in the magazine fit; the frame texture facilitates grip, but I don't find it rough or uncomfortable; and as for the sear disconnect lever, how many people have expressed extreme concern over having to pull the trigger to field strip a Glock? (Which, BTW, you can field strip a M&P by pulling the trigger too, and not use the sear disconnect lever.) S&W designed it to help insure that the pistol is unloaded...surely if you have the slide locked open, and you are sticking your finger or a tool into the slide to depress the lever, you would check and notice a round in the chamber. That check should be done anyway, sear disconnect lever or no.

So, I don't know what refutation there really is...as I said earlier, his opinion is that he didn't like his Shield. I really like mine. Two different opinions on the same gun.
 
First you say this:
After chasing availability of the .40 Shield for almost 6 months, I finally found one which was recently made according to the shell envelope. I bought it at full MSRP plus tax and rushed home to fondle my new find!

Then later this:
However, I bought under a LEO program from a seller where you walk out with a box, at your own risk - no display model, no open boxes, no friendly salesman to show you this or that - Just a model number and a price, bang the credit card, goodbye.

And
Third, to answer your question, I bought it because I was unaware of the mag-drop and other negatives that I SHOULD have known about had I done my research first and visited this forum BEFORE I bought it - My own fault, as I previously stated.

So, why would you not do your research? As detailed as your negative review was I would have expected you to know more about the gun than the team that designed it. Instead, you heard about it, got on a waiting list(?) for 6 months then bought it blindly?

I respect your opinion and experience, as you need to expect everyone esle's, but your actions leading up to the purchase make it difficult for anyone to sympathize with you.
 
I think the OP should sell his Shield to someone who will love it for what it is. I believe a fair price of $100 shipped to FFL is more than fair. It will put a great gun in the hands of someone who's "waiting" on a list to get one. And it will put the $100 into the pocket of the OP, so he can go buy a better weapon.........Both people win!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Well my .40 sheild has a I find to be a overall nice little package. It does have some minor issues, the most annoying is how far left it shoots and the gross sight adjusments required to bring impact to point of aim. This problem seems limited to a small # of pisyols and I cannot fault a complete series for an occasional manufacturers defect. That being said a couple of issues raised by the OP are somewhat valid:
1. The mags are hard loading
2. With the short magazine the pistol is a bit nose heavy, well balanced with the long mag.

I have not experienced any other issues, the trigger is as expected for the type of action and the yellow takedown lever thing is a novel non-issue. o mag wobble, mag drops or malfunctions, the only real annoyance to me is the rubber grip extension on the extended magazine. That damn thing sliding up and down when I load the mags with rounds is annoying and with my fat hands I have pinched my fingers on mag insertion...I wish it were firmly attached in place rather then sliding about.

Overall I like it very much and it groups nice and tight.
 
The dimpled mags by S&W service solved my mag drop problem on my .40 Shield. I then fired about 175 rounds through it to prove the mag drop problem, a combination of 100 rounds of WWB, 50 Speer Gold Dot, and 25 PDX-1. Two failures to return to battery, which a push on the slide solved. No magazine drops.

I've since added the Apex Tactical Shield Carry kit, Truglo TFO sights, and a CT laser. I will test again, but expect good results.

One concern I have is the .40 Shield magazines I've had on backorder since late July. I assume the delay is because S&W is re-engineering the mags, but it will be interesting to actually test them to see if the drop problem is solved without dimpling, which is a real kludge.
 
Have a seat Son grab a coffee and buckle up

Wow Jesus, After 7 months of the shield being on the market, the ONLY thing negative I heard about this weapon is the mag drop issue, A few white dot front sights fell out and maybe some shooting to the left and low.
Did you even fire the weapon?? Maybe i missed that in your post, but it sounds like you just brought it home, and never even shot it. And as the other post said, If you have been on this forum for any length of time, and if its true your claims of being an expierenced shooter and dealer. You would think you would have the common sense to at least googe M&P shield.
I own both shield 9 and 40 and love them both (I also am LEO firearms Inst and have/own many DIFFERENT) weapons. I have never had a problem loading the mags for either gun (I have 6 mags for the 9 and 6 for the 40).
Just seems you jumped to judgement before you even put any rounds down range. And Are you seriously seriously comparing the KelTec to the S&W? I own a KelTec 380 and its a great gun but in NO way does it compare to the M&P. For some who has a great deal of knowledge in S&W weapons, perhaps you should have know that you DO NOT need a tool to dis assemble the M&P. You can simply move the take down lever to the 6 o clock positin and pull the trigger (Ensuring the weapon is empty safe and pointed in a safe direction) Or did you not know that? The glock dis assebles the same way. I paid $318.67 I doubt i could buy a glock for that price, AND glock DOES not make a weapon as small as the Shield the Glock 26/27 is much bigger A great great great gun but bigger.
just my 2 cents
Last But Not least Do you really care if the weapon is "top heavy and un balanced even un loaded"
1SG
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Sorry your having a bad day, this should cheer you up. My Shield 9 is the greatest thing since sliced bread:). Enjoy your Keltec. :(
 
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"If" you were the great gun guru you claim to be, you would located one in the LGS or a friend to handle and fondle one before you purchased one instead of going into it blind and now complaining. Not a wise move...or maybe you just want to stir things a little. :eek::eek::eek:
 
If you don't like it then sell it, should sell like a hot cake, .40 Shield is a fine weapon. My father nor I have had any trouble with both of ours.
 
WOW Bobdat. Tell us how you really feel...:(

I know people with both models of Shield and love them. I got one of the first 9's when they came out,sight un-seen,just a call from my LGS and an "I'll be in to get it after work" (They had two,the other one was gone an hour later) and have ZERO issues with it. It was also a little tack driver right out of the box,after a good cleaning and going over first. Being a "LEO", I would have thunk you would have given it a good once over first,SOP for any LEO's I know and shoot with.

Your Quote:
As a very experienced shooter of S&W's (and other major brands) for decades; a championship combat pistol and revolver shooter; a former LEO and armorer; a S&W dealer for 25 years; and, a gun-lover for fifty years, I think I can judge a poorly designed pistol when I see & hold one. :un-quote

Next Time,Clean It,Then Try Shooting It First. You might get some cheese with that whine....

Also Quote:
For what it's worth, after sharing this experience here, I expect to be disparaged, criticized, derided and ridiculed by the S&W fanboys, so have at it.... un-quote.

YOU cast the first stone just LOOKING for a fight. What-cha' expect back,a cookie ? I know you came in looking for a fight. Not to sit by the fire and try our Kool-Aid and Polka Music... Have a nice day and "we" just don't care. Any problem's have been well known for a long time,you stepped in your own pile,IF you ACTUALLY even owned one. ...Pay retail with a LEO discount,don't look in the box !?!?!? come on it could have been full of rocks !!. "Some" of us might be a titch crazy,but WE ARE NOT STUPID !!!

I almost detect the slight scent of a Troll....sniff sniff.
 
You called it Nostradamus!:D

Well, the fanboys came out in force, as expected. It's too bad that in almost two dozen derisive posts, only one or two had any additive, factual value.

Nothing said in these two dozen replies changes the fact that the Shield .40 is a mediocre sub-compact not ready for primary defensive carry because of the kinds of defects and shortcomings its design suffers from.

On the enlightning side, this forum is a clear reflection of America in general, lately:

Attack the person who disagrees with your beliefs and opinions; become an unthinking pawn in the battle to remain polarized and thereby reinforce your dysfunctionality; defend mediocrity instead of demanding performance to a higher standard of excellence.

Just read the above replies....excuse after excuse for the shortcomings of this mediocre pistol and a concurrent demand to settle for substandard accuracy, reliability, and performance....the new america!

Well, it's been fun fellas. You haven't disappointed my expectations as to how the majority of you die-hard S&W fans would react to my objective assessment of a rather disappointing S&W product.

Maybe if you had redirected your anger toward S&W's design team instead of toward me, they would work harder to introduce a better product next time around.
 
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