My second dog attack.

[bhayles]

Shooting a dog that is attacking you is appropriate and probably legal. Going back after leaving the scene of the crime and shooting the dog may be pushing the envelope on legality.
If you have been chewed up, the law provides remedies that effect the dogs owner and getting reimbursed for medical expenses is more meaningful than losing a gun for illegal discharge. An understanding cop is great, but he's not always the one who shows up.

My thoughts exaactly. Going back specifically to shoot the dog would be akin to going to a guy's house that burglarized you last week and shooting him.

Defense of yourself at the moment is far different than going back to exact retribution.

 

[Waywatcher]

My thoughts exaactly. Going back specifically to shoot the dog would be akin to going to a guy's house that burglarized you last week and shooting him.

Defense of yourself at the moment is far different than going back to exact retribution.

This is an old thread that is largely resolved, but I'll add my two cents anyway:

All the OP did was revisit the location the attack, armed. Legal. The dog aggressively charged again. Not wanting a repeat of his first experience--shot it. Legal. He didn't go and murder the dog.

 

[Sebago Son]

Just for conversational purposes I’d entertain some feedback from the forum on addressing this situation.

I love dogs. Miss Kate is one of my best friends.

But going through what you have been, I am reminded of an alternative use for an 8' Fisher Plow and a 3/4 ton truck.

 

[Faulkner]

This is an old thread that is largely resolved, but I'll add my two cents anyway:

All the OP did was revisit the location the attack, armed. Legal. The dog aggressively charged again. Not wanting a repeat of his first experience--shot it. Legal. He didn't go and murder the dog.

This is an old thread . . . I have since made amends with the owner of the dog I shot. It was better than a year later when I was on my way home one Saturday afternoon and I saw a pickup truck, that I thought I recognized, apparently broken down on the side of the highway. I was off duty and in my own pickup but I pulled in behind to see what the trouble was.

I had my handheld radio with me so I radioed in, "Unit 4 to S.O."

"Unit 4 go ahead."

"S.O., I'm in my POV and going to be out with a stranded motorist on the highway at Ball Hill. White Dodge pickup with LPN XXX-XXX."

"10-4 Unit 4. Let me know if you need further assistance."

When I walked up I immediately recognized the fellow, and he recognized me as well.

"Hey, you're the guy that shot my dog!"

"Yes sir, and your the owner of the dog I shot after it attacked me, twice." I replied

"Well, I guess I had that coming," he said.

"So, what seems to be the malfunction here?"

Turns out the water pump was out. I had my tool box in my truck so I offered to help him pull it off right there and take him back to the auto parts store in town and get another one and come back and install the new one. About an hour and a half later we were done, his truck was up and running, and we had a good time getting to know each other while we worked.

When we finished up he thanked me and stuck out his hand and said, "sorry about the whole dog thing."

I took the offered hand and replied, "Sorry I had to shoot it, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do."

I've seen him a few times since and I think we're all good now.

 

[kip_j]

Dogs and Cycling

I've been a bicyclist for many years and have logged thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, miles over the years and I have to say, I must be living a charmed life or something because I can recall only ONE time I was ever actually attacked by a dog while riding and when it happened, the dog's teeth barely nipped my ankle and didn't even break the skin nor cause me to crash or lose control.

This occurred years ago and I simply out-rode the dog.

Maybe I'm riding faster than most of you; it's pretty easy to out-run a dog, even those that surprise you with a diagonal approach, and most dogs announce their arrival with a snarl or a bark so you have at least a moment to realize what's happening and give your adrenaline a chance to kick in and get you the hell out of there.

Attaining speeds of upwards of 30-mph in the heat of the moment is pretty easy (again, on a road bike; mountain bikes and cruisers are not quite as fast) and most dogs just can't maintain such a speed while in pursuit and will give up.

I know there are exceptions to this, as many of you have obviously outlined here, but I'm just speaking of my own personal experience.

I'm nearly 60 years old and still ride about 4,000 miles a year and have been for decades so my accumulated mileage speaks for itself.

Further, I'm curious how one might carry a loaded weapon while cycling; the added weight would be a huge negative, in my opinion, and it makes me very nervous to think what would happen if I should take a tumble off the bike. Would my impact cause the weapon to discharge? I wear the prototypical "skimpy" lycra shorts and skin-tight cycling jerseys so carrying a 25-ounce S & W 40C would be a definite weight penalty, not to mention an obvious imprint underneath the back jersey pocket. There's just no feasible carrying location wearing this sort of outfit.

Sounds like most of you are not wearing the same sort of clothing I wear while riding, but are probably just out cruising around with jeans or cargo shorts and other kinds of casual clothing on. In that case, yes, I guess one could carry a loaded firearm for protection, but even still, if you crash and fall on the weapon, what's your guarantee that you'll be safe from an unintentional discharge? Can you picture the force of impact that would ensue if you fell at 25+ mph and did it right on top of the gun? Whoa...not good. I'm not even sure if you had it in a holster it would protect you.

 

[ben_g1]

Mentioned this in the other thread, a cheap ($10) stun gun. Have yet to find a dog that doesn't stop in its tracks or turn tail and run with tail between its legs. Dogs hate that crackling electric noise. If they should keep coming, well just a touch will send them reeling.

It even works on completely deaf dogs

 

[cmort666]

Further, I'm curious how one might carry a loaded weapon while cycling; the added weight would be a huge negative, in my opinion, and it makes me very nervous to think what would happen if I should take a tumble off the bike. Would my impact cause the weapon to discharge?

The latter question causes me to suggest that you study the mechanisms of MODERN handguns.

A fall from a bicycle cause a modern double action revolver or semi-auto to go off? Maybe... if you fell off of the edge of the Grand Canyon. Otherwise, not so much. Any fall from a height sufficient to make your firearm discharge would probably KILL you outright.

As long as you're not carrying a Colt SAA (or straight-up clone) with a loaded round under the hammer, I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[BaaBaa]

Further, I'm curious how one might carry a loaded weapon while cycling; the added weight would be a huge negative, in my opinion, and it makes me very nervous to think what would happen if I should take a tumble off the bike. Would my impact cause the weapon to discharge?

Added weight may be an issue if you are racing but somehow I fail to see how an extra pound or 2 (big gun, lots of reloads) will make one hill of beans difference. As to the second, I've been delivering lambs, fallen and landed on my butt, slithered down a cliff, rolled onto my holstered firearm and more and I've never feared that it would go off no matter what I did so long as it stays safely in the holster I am carrying. Now if I had a holster that didn't keep it contained then I'd be a bit more concerned but now way no how with my current one that keeps the firearm locked in.

 

[Faulkner]

I've been a bicyclist for many years and have logged thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, miles over the years and I have to say, I must be living a charmed life or something because I can recall only ONE time I was ever actually attacked by a dog while riding and when it happened, the dog's teeth barely nipped my ankle and didn't even break the skin nor cause me to crash or lose control.

This occurred years ago and I simply out-rode the dog.

Maybe I'm riding faster than most of you; it's pretty easy to out-run a dog, even those that surprise you with a diagonal approach, and most dogs announce their arrival with a snarl or a bark so you have at least a moment to realize what's happening and give your adrenaline a chance to kick in and get you the hell out of there.

Attaining speeds of upwards of 30-mph in the heat of the moment is pretty easy (again, on a road bike; mountain bikes and cruisers are not quite as fast) and most dogs just can't maintain such a speed while in pursuit and will give up.

I know there are exceptions to this, as many of you have obviously outlined here, but I'm just speaking of my own personal experience.

I'm nearly 60 years old and still ride about 4,000 miles a year and have been for decades so my accumulated mileage speaks for itself.

Further, I'm curious how one might carry a loaded weapon while cycling; the added weight would be a huge negative, in my opinion, and it makes me very nervous to think what would happen if I should take a tumble off the bike. Would my impact cause the weapon to discharge? I wear the prototypical "skimpy" lycra shorts and skin-tight cycling jerseys so carrying a 25-ounce S & W 40C would be a definite weight penalty, not to mention an obvious imprint underneath the back jersey pocket. There's just no feasible carrying location wearing this sort of outfit.

Sounds like most of you are not wearing the same sort of clothing I wear while riding, but are probably just out cruising around with jeans or cargo shorts and other kinds of casual clothing on. In that case, yes, I guess one could carry a loaded firearm for protection, but even still, if you crash and fall on the weapon, what's your guarantee that you'll be safe from an unintentional discharge? Can you picture the force of impact that would ensue if you fell at 25+ mph and did it right on top of the gun? Whoa...not good. I'm not even sure if you had it in a holster it would protect you.

This is how I carry mine now.

 

[Protected One]

My solution for dogs while biking?...a .380 on my hip (owb), under a t-shirt. So far...not need.

 

[Johnmuratore]

I was attacked while walking this guy on a leash.
He weighs 163lbs and is very protective.
It was a bad mistake for the attacking dog, but I can't carry Jack in my pocket, so I'd opt for better protection.

 

[turbo6]

I don't like the idea of shooting dogs unless absolutely necessary, so it gets a spray or two first then I go for the gun.

However when it comes to children, I'm much less forgiving. Way too many cases of kids getting mauled, at least around here.



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[Shooting Padre]

How much does it cost to hire a UPS man and truck? Serious business, loose dogs. How about a cattle prod? Could that be something that could be practical to carry? I would hate to shoot a dog, but giving the ability of a dog to do serious damage in a short time, I wouldn't hesitate to keep from being hurt.

 

[dkp9782]

Only one time in my 40+ year law enforcement career did I see an Officer strike a large dog with a collapsible. What it did was make that dog un-holy angry and he proceeded to bite the Officer repeatedly until another Officer finally shot the dog. No batons for dogs for me!

 

[ken158]

If your area has laws covering dogs and such laws were violated, you were injured, etc - get a lawyer. I have used OC in the past and some dogs don't like it and others like it so much they come back for more... one got a face full and you would have thought he was licking an ice cream cone...

 

[Raider]

How much does it cost to hire a UPS man and truck? Serious business, loose dogs. How about a cattle prod? Could that be something that could be practical to carry? I would hate to shoot a dog, but giving the ability of a dog to do serious damage in a short time, I wouldn't hesitate to keep from being hurt.

I was going to ask that very same question but you beat me to it. The prods I have seen have about 3 feet of reach. Does anybody know the legality of such things? Guess one might have to talk to the local cops or maybe a lawyer.

Charlie

 

[Arik]

I know this is an old thread and all and I understand that the dogs should not have been running around like that and biting people is obviously not good however......You went back home, got a gun and came back for another confrontation. I'd sue you for my dead dog. Had you shot it on site I'd be pissed as ### but I would understand. Kinda like getting into an argument, leaving, coming back with a gun and killing the person

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[Chuck Jones]

I'm guessing there's no animal control officer where you live, huh?

/c