My Shield went boom.

[robkarrob]

Macklll reply

You are correct, I called CorBon and they stated they do use other manufacturers cases for their ammunition, when they run low. I have never seen it in several years, but the rep said it is common as they are a low volume manufacturer. He also stated the blue tip is filled with #12 shot, which is what appears in the photo.

Bob

 

[robkarrob]

This photo, that is not shown in the OP but shown in the linked site, shows the results. The case seperated at the weak point, the extractor groove. The primer was blown out and the extractor was blown off.

 

[HotRoderX]

I am really glad your ok and as far as speaking ill of the Shield. Anything I speak highly of it since you keep all your fingers. I am sure new guns are designed to fail in such a way to minimize risk in-case of catastrophic failure.

That looks like a way over charged round maybe even a double charge. The gun basically looks like it became a hand grenade from the pictures. I would think if it was a weakened frame the damage would be more centered on a single area. Instead it looks more like the damage came from all directions at once.

Either way I bet Smith and Wesson will be happy to give you a new shield for your broken one. They can learn a lot from a gun like that, just impossible to replicate something like that a sterile test environment.

 

[sirsimon]

Man that hurts to even look at. So glad you are OK.

 

[robkarrob]

WallyJJ

When you hear back from S&W, with there decision regarding your Shield, please post back as I am sure we are all interested to see how they handle the issue. I am sure they could deny any fault, and blame the ammunition, which was likely the cause. However they may be happy you were not injured and be happy to replace or offer you a good deal on a new gun.

I would document all, along with photos, and contact CorBon, regarding the ammunition. I know they will toss you some free ammo, but I would tell them you want a new gun. That would be better than a lawsuit.

Bob

 

[bobkk]

Did the ammo come with the primers sealed like that or did you apply the sealer.

Regardless Smith should be able to tell exactly what powder was in the ctg and about how much.

I have some new Win 9mm brass and it's sealed with something that's red. I talked to a S&W Rep at a local gun store about reloads. He said they could tell what powder you were using if it blew up.

 

[Maddmax]

Nah, I am pretty sure they are Corbon/Glaser and I know they aren't reloads.


Glaser? by WallyJJ, on Flickr

WallyJJ

First,glad you are ok and all's well with you.

Hold that thought,S&W will want to know all about what ammo you were shooting too. It will be a toss up between S&W and the ammo maker who ends up replacing it. There was an AR that exploded a year or so ago and it turned into a real fiasco and we never heard much more...

 

[bolewine]

I think that if you search this thread you'll find pictures of my blown up M&P 9 fs dam it looks just like my gun. By the way S&W 's answer was an over pressure round. They sold me a new gun for 399.00 search the pictures it looks the same. I still think that the damn thing fired out of battery but smith says no!

 

[troutjunkie]

Bullet setback from rechambering the same round has been a concern with the 40s&w for some time. The slightest bit can raise pressures very quick on what is a high pressure cartridge already. I've seen pretty much the same damage on a S&W 99, Walther P99 and a couple of Glocks, all in 40s&w. Glad you're OK.

This was my thought exactly

 

[WallyJJ]

I think that if you search this thread you'll find pictures of my blown up M&P 9 fs dam it looks just like my gun. By the way S&W 's answer was an over pressure round. They sold me a new gun for 399.00 search the pictures it looks the same. I still think that the damn thing fired out of battery but smith says no!

I found your old thread.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/237022-badly-broken-m-p-9-a.html

WallyJJ

 

[Nevadadvx]

I have some new Win 9mm brass and it's sealed with something that's red. I talked to a S&W Rep at a local gun store about reloads. He said they could tell what powder you were using if it blew up.

I have about 500 rounds of Sellier & Bellot 9mm, and it is all sealed in red like this.....

 

[Chris L.]

It looks like your Shield was used as a shield!

 

[thakingcb7]

I have a whole box of hornady critical duty with that same red sealer on the primers... Only ammo I ever bought that had it

 

[Jim Watson]

The bluenosed bullets pictured sure look like Glasers.
Winchester uses a red sealant. Old Glaser or Corbon just bought some factory primed brass from Winchester to use for "factory" loads. That is common for the small outfits, a brass mill is expensive. They don't always get cases with their own headstamp.

 

[bearfoot]

glad that your ok. as ^^^^^above requests, i would like to know what S&W has to say.

 

[Dean1818]

I reload for the 40, and dont push the envelope for powder

I also load out longer than some, to help on the pressure as well

 

[L2R]

JJ, maybe we should start a club

I had mine 3 days and this was the 4th shot.
Mine happened in mid December.

old Federal critical defense 40.

guessing it was a double charge but nothing official.

Glad you are ok. Same for me, a numb hand and sore knuckle.

I called S&W, they said this would end up in the lab and could take 8 weeks.

Still waiting too as the holiday shut down for over a week as left my pocket empty too.

 

[WallyJJ]

I had mine 3 days and this was the 4th shot.
Mine happened in mid December.

old Hornady critical defense 40.

guessing it was a double charge but nothing official.

Glad you are ok. Same for me, a numb hand and sore knuckle.

I called S&W, they said this would end up in the lab and could take 8 weeks.

Still waiting too as the holiday shut down for over a week as left my pocket empty too.

That sucks. Have you heard anything back from them at all? I assume you will hear something before I do. Please let us know what they do with it. I hit a small gun show today as well as the shop where I bought it and everyone says the glasers should not have caused that, but of course they haven't heard of any problems with the M&P's either. The only common theme with you other couple guys is the word "old" when describing the ammo. Has this happened to any other polymer M&P's with "new" target ammo?

After only receiving 10 of them over the last 10 months, my LGS had another one sitting in the case today that they received last night. It won't be there long, just made me upset that mine is on a Fedex truck somewhere.

WallyJJ

 

[Lost Lake]

I think that if you search this thread you'll find pictures of my blown up M&P 9 fs dam it looks just like my gun. By the way S&W 's answer was an over pressure round. They sold me a new gun for 399.00 search the pictures it looks the same. I still think that the damn thing fired out of battery but smith says no!

Why didn't you ever complete that old thread????

It sure would be nice if people completed their threads. These are a reference for the rest of us.

Now go back and finish that thread so we know what happened, what S&W said, why the dealer didn't give you a new one when he said he would etc....

 

[Doug M.]

Those rounds look as though they have suffered setback. The 40S&W round is REALLY REALLY prone to that, AND for good measure when it happens there it takes very little make a heck of a pressure spike because the 40S&W is pretty high pressure. Corbon also has a reputation for pushing the pressure envelope anyway. Bad mix - there is very little margin of error. I have held for several years that the 40S&W is not a cartridge that most should use for this and other reasons. It is truly an experts only, no non-dedicated personnel should apply round.

It is common knowledge in some circles in which I run, outside of this forum, that one should NEVER chamber any 40S&W round twice. Period. Shoot it or otherwise safely dispose of it. Sadly, other than on those 2 forums and among the folks who populate them, I have not seen much about this. It is most likely is that the problem was over pressure ammo from the causes above, plus of course the possibility that storage conditions could have compromised the powder; heard of such but not familiar directly.

You are darned lucky, and probably were protected from worse injury by the pistol and its quality.