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Perhaps if someone were offered immunity things would get moving.
Mystery Gun- What is it?
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This ^^^^
It's not my place to question the motives, actions, or lack thereof, by the S&W scholars. Read it into how you will, but I don't foresee any affirmation of authenticity or denial of authenticity or anything for that matter in the foreseeable future. I'm as frustrated as everyone else to know the reason this freak S&W revolver exists, but those in the know have chosen to keep their opinions ,facts, documents..... or lack thereof from being made public.
I'm going to put an anchovy on my tongue and wait with baited breath, but think I'm just going to end up with bad breath for a long time.
Cheers!
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kilroy2721
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I say just close this thread.
Could you please clarify this a little for us: "I've talked to the owner of the mg several times since things stalled and there has been no communication about it."
Was the owner ever given any expectation that he would receive information back from the individuals the photos were sent to?
The owner has not followed up or called OR he has but hasn't been given any information?
Owner doesn't know who they are?
They have not responded to his inquiries?
Does he ever anticipate an answer?
Does he care if he ever receives an answer or not?
Is it perhaps that he doesn't want to share results if he did or does receive information?
Thx,
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I've read this entire thread from start to finish in one sitting. What an amazing thread. I found myself totally enthralled by the photos and all the ideas and theories put forth by forum members. I love reading stuff like this...it really gets your imagination working, doesn't it?
This thread in itself has an amazing amount of research in it, and epitomizes what this forum is all about. I think it needs to be made a sticky under its own heading.
We talk a lot here about various subjects, and I for one spend a lot of time in the Lounge for the fellowship and good humor. Truth is, we are all here for our passion for the brand, and I don't know that there is a better thread than this one to demonstrate that.
We talk a lot here about various subjects, and I for one spend a lot of time in the Lounge for the fellowship and good humor. Truth is, we are all here for our passion for the brand, and I don't know that there is a better thread than this one to demonstrate that.
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Sorry, I've said what I can say, if not already too much.
Mr. David,
I will be in your area the last 10 days of March, perhaps I could swing by your shop and download copies of the "high quality" photos, or any other documents you would be willing to share. I will bring a 100 GB remote drive, so storage space should not be a problem. I will see that any photos or documents get to several Highly Experienced and Respected Smith and Wesson experts. I also give you my oath that I will not release any photos or documents to the public at large without your permission.
Added: Sir, I await your reply…
I will be in your area the last 10 days of March, perhaps I could swing by your shop and download copies of the "high quality" photos, or any other documents you would be willing to share. I will bring a 100 GB remote drive, so storage space should not be a problem. I will see that any photos or documents get to several Highly Experienced and Respected Smith and Wesson experts. I also give you my oath that I will not release any photos or documents to the public at large without your permission.
Added: Sir, I await your reply…
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jw mathews
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This is an interesting thread imo. One thing that might also be done (with owner's consent, of course) is to accurately measure chamber length & diameter, measure bore diameter & perhaps also slug the bore and measure groove diameter. I think that might verify if the gun was intended for the 41 Colt OR a European revolver round.
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This was done, albeit the bore was not slugged. If I recall correctly, the consensus was .41 S&W.
I found this in another thread. It jibes with the discussion in this thread and the era is correct for the mystery gun features.
FYI and I realize that I am quite late on this thread, but to --- Alk8944 is correct-
U.S. Cartridges and Their Handguns by Charles R Suydam (1977) shows a .41 S&W cartridge on page 192. I am not suggesting that the dies in the original post are for this cartridge but thought I would pass on the details.
Cartridge dimensions:
Rim dia. - .455
Head dia - .406
Case mouth dia. - .406
Bullet dia. - .373
Case length - 1.041
Overall length - 1.470
Quoting the text:
"The .41 S&W is one of a series of experimental cartridges made for S&W by UMC sometime in the period 1890-1910. It is unlike any other .41 calibre cartridge, and no information as to its load, bullet weight, or powder type has been found".
The text goes on for two pages but my typing is so slow I am not going to try.
I am not a big forum guy and do not know how these things work but, is it OK to scan and upload the pages from a book like this or is that a copyright infringement?
Chris
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Sorry, I do not have the photos in my possession nor would I be able to provide them to you, as they were taken by a professional photographer and he owns them.
As mentioned in the thread, these pictures were already provided to the highest tier of S&W experts.
I think it might actually be a good idea to lock this thread for now. If there is more information that comes to light, then the moderators could simply revive it if needed.
You are correct, perhaps it's best to end this Bravo Sierra.
Methinks something smells rotten in the state of Denmark........
DWalt
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I second (or third) that. This topic thread has entered the kingdom of the squirrels and needs to be closed out. If solid information comes up 5 or 10 years from now, someone can have it re-opened.
Well, with these recent cryptic replies, it has certainly taken on an air of the bizarre. The gun is clearly over one HUNDRED years old, far beyond the reach of political or clandestine import. Despite this, it is becoming ridiculously cloak-and-dagger. I certainly hope that its story is told someday.
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I agree. But I'm not the expert with the archives.....
I'm sorry Mr.Bear, but convenience has nothing to do with it. They're not my pictures and I don't have them anyway. The pictures posted really are sufficient. The high-res pictures are probably already in the hands of the experts from which you speak. Why don't you ask them?
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gaucho1
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It occurs to me that the pivotal issue may revolve around the possible
value of the firearm.
The factors involved may be contingent on an agreed valuation.
Negotiations may now be in process and the desire of anybody not
directly involved in the deal is not a factor.
Possibly the actual ownership of the firearm may be cloudy, in ways
we have no ability to know.
A plausible example would be a divorce or the possible claims of another party.
Maybe the owner is overwhelmed and indecisive.....or really doesn't care.
We are on planet weird. The more $ at stake.....the weirder it gets.
Too bad we can't gather the villagers and storm the castle with torches,
all in the name of sincere curiosity.
You ever try and buy a decent torch?
value of the firearm.
The factors involved may be contingent on an agreed valuation.
Negotiations may now be in process and the desire of anybody not
directly involved in the deal is not a factor.
Possibly the actual ownership of the firearm may be cloudy, in ways
we have no ability to know.
A plausible example would be a divorce or the possible claims of another party.
Maybe the owner is overwhelmed and indecisive.....or really doesn't care.
We are on planet weird. The more $ at stake.....the weirder it gets.
Too bad we can't gather the villagers and storm the castle with torches,
all in the name of sincere curiosity.
You ever try and buy a decent torch?
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It occurs to me that the pivotal issue may revolve around the possible
value of the firearm.
The factors involved may be contingent on an agreed valuation.
Negotiations may now be in process and the desire of anybody not
directly involved in the deal is not a factor.
Possibly the actual ownership of the firearm may be cloudy, in ways
we have no ability to know.
A plausible example would be a divorce or the possible claims of another party.
Maybe the owner is overwhelmed and indecisive.....or really doesn't care.
We are on planet weird. The more $ at stake.....the weirder it gets.
Too bad we can't gather the villagers and storm the castle with torches,
all in the name of sincere curiosity.
You ever try and buy a decent torch?
No
No
No
Bingo
No
No/Yes (doesn't care)
Yes and No
Yes!
Yes. Look up "biikebrennen". Lot's of fun with fire and torches!
Time for bed. I hope the answers line up correctly.
gaucho1
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Shaken,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,not Stirred....................
Eddy.................You are up very late...............get some rest..........you may need it......................
Eddy.................You are up very late...............get some rest..........you may need it......................
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Well done Gaucho!
That at least sheds light on the mystery over the secrecy which almost overshadowed the mystery of the authenticity.
No - It occurs to me that the pivotal issue may revolve around the possible
value of the firearm.
No - The factors involved may be contingent on an agreed valuation.
No - Negotiations may now be in process and the desire of anybody not
directly involved in the deal is not a factor.
Bingo - Possibly the actual ownership of the firearm may be cloudy, in ways
we have no ability to know.
No - A plausible example would be a divorce or the possible claims of another party.
No/Yes (doesn't care) - Maybe the owner is overwhelmed and indecisive.....or really doesn't care.
Yes and No - We are on planet weird. The more $ at stake.....the weirder it gets.
Yes! - Too bad we can't gather the villagers and storm the castle with torches, all in the name of sincere curiosity.
Yes. Look up "biikebrennen". Lot's of fun with fire and torches! - You ever try and buy a decent torch?
That at least sheds light on the mystery over the secrecy which almost overshadowed the mystery of the authenticity.
No - It occurs to me that the pivotal issue may revolve around the possible
value of the firearm.
No - The factors involved may be contingent on an agreed valuation.
No - Negotiations may now be in process and the desire of anybody not
directly involved in the deal is not a factor.
Bingo - Possibly the actual ownership of the firearm may be cloudy, in ways
we have no ability to know.
No - A plausible example would be a divorce or the possible claims of another party.
No/Yes (doesn't care) - Maybe the owner is overwhelmed and indecisive.....or really doesn't care.
Yes and No - We are on planet weird. The more $ at stake.....the weirder it gets.
Yes! - Too bad we can't gather the villagers and storm the castle with torches, all in the name of sincere curiosity.
Yes. Look up "biikebrennen". Lot's of fun with fire and torches! - You ever try and buy a decent torch?
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