Mystery Gun- What is it?
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DWalt
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Can't there be some focus on the revolver itself and forget the cloak-and -dagger issues? A lot is known about the physical features of the revolver, but as yet, very little has been stated about what it actually is. Why not treat the gun like it was found in a box buried in the middle of the Sonoran desert, and no one knows, or will ever know, how it got there?
Nicksterdemus
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I'm dumb as a rock though find the CCW cant of Springfield along w/MASS kinda hokey. I understand using mass on patten dates especially when real estate is sparse.
However, there's plenty of room on the cylinder for Massachusetts. If it were such an imposition why not Sprgfld Mass? After Springfield did they draw the line at eleven letters to the word? Couldn't squeeze in two more?
I will note, if not previously posted, the third ed SCSW Pg 125 shows a cylinder of a .32 1st mod/mod 1896 HE DA that has Smith ---&--- Wesson on similar list.
However, there's plenty of room on the cylinder for Massachusetts. If it were such an imposition why not Sprgfld Mass? After Springfield did they draw the line at eleven letters to the word? Couldn't squeeze in two more?
I will note, if not previously posted, the third ed SCSW Pg 125 shows a cylinder of a .32 1st mod/mod 1896 HE DA that has Smith ---&--- Wesson on similar list.
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gaucho1
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I must say.......I prefer the French "furet".......pronounced Fooret
I can assure you I am NOT this cute and have more often been described as a Wolverine with a poor haircut.
Your faithful servant........Ret Foo
CALCULATED Cylinder Diameter.
Just found this Thread yesterday. Long time to read all of it.
Downloaded the Images mentioned in Post 150.
Couple of good images of cylinder.
KNOWING Chamber diameter .410" - .412" (From Post 157)
ZOOMED IN
- Counted PIXELS for CHAMBER KNOWN .410" - .412"
- Counted PIXELS for CYLINDER
- Counted PIXELS for RATCHET
- Counted PIXELS for CYLINDER PIN
CALCULATIONS yielded the following dimensions:
CYLINDER Diameter 1.522" - 1.544"
RATCHET Diameter .536" - .544"
CYLINDER PIN Diameter .138" - .140"
Included Ratchet and Pin calculated values in case someone knows if these are same dimensions as typical revolvers of the time period.
Bekeart
Just found this Thread yesterday. Long time to read all of it.
Downloaded the Images mentioned in Post 150.
Couple of good images of cylinder.
KNOWING Chamber diameter .410" - .412" (From Post 157)
ZOOMED IN
- Counted PIXELS for CHAMBER KNOWN .410" - .412"
- Counted PIXELS for CYLINDER
- Counted PIXELS for RATCHET
- Counted PIXELS for CYLINDER PIN
CALCULATIONS yielded the following dimensions:
CYLINDER Diameter 1.522" - 1.544"
RATCHET Diameter .536" - .544"
CYLINDER PIN Diameter .138" - .140"
Included Ratchet and Pin calculated values in case someone knows if these are same dimensions as typical revolvers of the time period.
Bekeart
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Could this have simply been manufactured as test bed for the .41 S&W cartridge?
Nicksterdemus
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I'd 'ave thought it the foray o' Foo-rey.
Nicksterdemus
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"he obtained it from a close relative of his that received it as a gift from a little old lady in Rock Island, Illinois. This little old lady received it from her father-in-law"
Here's the first point of contention from all hands on deck when something of value surfaces out of the blue.
What's the in-law doing w/family heirloom?
Closing fast in pursuit is gift by a little old lady that surely must have been suffering from similar dementia of widows showing up at gun shows w/RM in a paper sack looking for a fair price.
Of course this is superseded by how the O.G., original gentleman, acquired the arm and from whom.
Waiting in the wings are the current owners of S&W.
I can hear it now. "I'd like this sidearm validated as a S&W."
"Great, send us some real good pics".
"Here they are, do you have any documents/drawings/memos lying around that would substantiate this build"?
"Hey that sure looks like one of ours and we have all kinds of paperwork lying around. First, we'll need to examine the arm for an indeterminate amount of time. Please forward the piece in question to us at your convenience".
"Well, sure I just need S&W to sign documentation that no matter what I receive the arm back posthaste from loan".
"Not a problem forward that paperwork along w/original receipt(s) from ownership".
Since it isn't for sale and money isn't an issue cut it up in four pieces. One for each side of the family, one for S&W and raffle the other off for charity.
Here's the first point of contention from all hands on deck when something of value surfaces out of the blue.
What's the in-law doing w/family heirloom?
Closing fast in pursuit is gift by a little old lady that surely must have been suffering from similar dementia of widows showing up at gun shows w/RM in a paper sack looking for a fair price.
Of course this is superseded by how the O.G., original gentleman, acquired the arm and from whom.
Waiting in the wings are the current owners of S&W.
I can hear it now. "I'd like this sidearm validated as a S&W."
"Great, send us some real good pics".
"Here they are, do you have any documents/drawings/memos lying around that would substantiate this build"?
"Hey that sure looks like one of ours and we have all kinds of paperwork lying around. First, we'll need to examine the arm for an indeterminate amount of time. Please forward the piece in question to us at your convenience".
"Well, sure I just need S&W to sign documentation that no matter what I receive the arm back posthaste from loan".
"Not a problem forward that paperwork along w/original receipt(s) from ownership".
Since it isn't for sale and money isn't an issue cut it up in four pieces. One for each side of the family, one for S&W and raffle the other off for charity.
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gaucho1
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Nick
Pretty good possibility tree...............
Finishing with the Salomon Judgement doubled down has some merit.........
But I know you can do better when you think about it......
Pretty good possibility tree...............
Finishing with the Salomon Judgement doubled down has some merit.........
But I know you can do better when you think about it......
Nicksterdemus
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I was holding back on channel locks pinching off a wee bit of the barrel should a fifth contestant come into the fray.
Then there's always the selfless gifting to a worthy cause/museum/non-profit institution w/tax write-off/bragging rights and perhaps an engraved gold washed plaque honouring the humanitarian donour du jour .
Then there's always the selfless gifting to a worthy cause/museum/non-profit institution w/tax write-off/bragging rights and perhaps an engraved gold washed plaque honouring the humanitarian donour du jour .
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Nicksterdemus
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We ain't fishin' & it's bated breath.
Meanwhile Charlie Brown back at the ranch, I'm waiting in the patch holdin' me breath on the arrival of the Great Pumpkin.
Wait mate, I hear a mite of rustlin' aft.
Eddy's Shooting Sports
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Wow, it's been three years!
Nothing new to report. I ask every time I see him and it's just sitting in the gun safe....
Nothing new to report. I ask every time I see him and it's just sitting in the gun safe....
Nicksterdemus
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Oh well, time marches on.
But, inquiring minds want to know.
Oy, vey I should live so long.
But, inquiring minds want to know.
Oy, vey I should live so long.
Nicksterdemus
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Works for me!
Better yet send a pic/description to Taurus.
They'll build anything.
Better yet send a pic/description to Taurus.
They'll build anything.
ParadiseRoad
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Ah ha, new life breathed into an old thread: however I have no idea why I received the following email notice for a completely different thread but with this thread's link given??????
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Have old sw revolver no caliber on it serial number is 84176 need help
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But i will comment anyway on the last posts of 3 years ago:
Penmon nailed the common mis-perception about the Mystery Gun!
But the prototype Paradise Road posted, being a DA, likely followed, rather than influenced the SA Mystery Gun prototype/tool room exercise of this thread.
It was was built on a Colt frame, was used in the S&W patent for their Hand Ejector, and turned into their first Hand Ejector, the .32 HE Model of 1896 - 1st Model.
Photo by tjpopkin
-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Reply to thread 'Mystery Gun- What is it?'
Dear Hondo44,
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Have old sw revolver no caliber on it serial number is 84176 need help
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But i will comment anyway on the last posts of 3 years ago:
Penmon nailed the common mis-perception about the Mystery Gun!
But the prototype Paradise Road posted, being a DA, likely followed, rather than influenced the SA Mystery Gun prototype/tool room exercise of this thread.
It was was built on a Colt frame, was used in the S&W patent for their Hand Ejector, and turned into their first Hand Ejector, the .32 HE Model of 1896 - 1st Model.
Photo by tjpopkin
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Especially when:
1970 - Bangor Punta Corp
American conglomerate company Bangor Punta Corp., then-owners of Smith & Wesson, purchases a controlling interest in Taurus. As sister companies, Taurus and S&W share technology, with both companies benefiting significantly from Taurus engineering and manufacturing advances until:
1977 - Taurus is re-acquired
Controlling interest of Taurus is re-acquired by the company principals, severing ties with the Smith & Wesson brand and initiating a diversified expansion program in handgun development and manufacturing.
A fly on the wall..............
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