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NBC Hates Gun Owners And Remmington
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Colokeb
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Rancher near here was a victim of a 700 malfunction, it happened quite soon after the original CNBC program.
CCWKY
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I have had my trusty 700 for over 25 years, no better bolt action rifle made in my opinion. Like Rugby, I love my 870's.
GatorFarmer
Member
Didn't see it. Based on their track record with the 700 series and safety issues, I wouldn't be surprised.
Coldshooter
Member
Would you rather have an 870 with Remington ammo or the NBC staff with you in an iffy situation?
Beemer-mark
Member
Why in the world would anyone watch NBC??? Hopefully not for anything resembling the truth.
Hofstet
Member
NBC and its cable network MSNBC are a bad joke.
johnsonl
Member
They are circling the drain and are no longer relevent.
Moonman
Member
They have their AGENDA, look at the Reporters and Commentators, NUFF SAID!!!!
I have owned, borrowed, used and shot hard over 50 Rem. 700 rifles since 1979. Some have been rifles that were new. More have been used. I had one rifle that required factory attention due to light primer strikes. That was the only problem ever encountered. I've adjusted the triggers in my rifles routinely. If set to light, like any other trigger improperly adjusted, they failed. If adjusted correctly, they were like any other quality trigger, extremely effective. I am not particularly impressed by the socalled concerned "reporting" of the msm. It has no credibility. They do not demonstrate a similar level of "reporting" for issues that are actually of actual real concern beyond their "investigative research."
Yup.
NBC/MSBNC is a joke. I don't trust a word they say.
gjgalligan
Member
How some Cliff Notes on the so called safety problem?
I don't know what it is suppost to be.
I don't know what it is suppost to be.
I had a 700 BDL in 30-06. The safety broke (pushing the switch didn't do anything). Sent it to Remington and they returned it fairly quickly IIRC.
Next deer season the safety broke again. So I took it to a gunsmith and got it back for the next weekend.
It broke again. I put it in the gun rack and left it.
My B-I-L got out of prison (felon - 3 years for cocaine) and *borrowed* the rifle one day when we weren't home. Went deer hunting (out of season), got drunk and was stopped on the way home for his 4th DUI and the gun got confiscated - He got 5 years for possessing a gun.
I never saw that rifle again....
I don't like their ammunition either.
Next deer season the safety broke again. So I took it to a gunsmith and got it back for the next weekend.
It broke again. I put it in the gun rack and left it.
My B-I-L got out of prison (felon - 3 years for cocaine) and *borrowed* the rifle one day when we weren't home. Went deer hunting (out of season), got drunk and was stopped on the way home for his 4th DUI and the gun got confiscated - He got 5 years for possessing a gun.
I never saw that rifle again....
I don't like their ammunition either.
Oldiron
US Veteran
In my world I know about 50X more Remington owners than LEOs and rent-a-cops and know of no one that has had a problen with the Remington safety. On the other hand, I know of 4 Professionals who have shot a hole through the floor or their leg with Glocks and in one instance a local gun store clerk shot a customer with a Glock. I know of one hunting rifle "accident" where a friend's son pulled a loaded non-Remington rifle out of the back seat of a car and it went off. Common thread here....all of the accidental discharges had a hand and finger attached to the trigger.
Larry
Larry
Texas Star
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I dislke NBC and the media generally, but feel that they are on the right track here.
I wanted very much to watch the show, but had to take a long distance call then and was able to follow only some of the report.
I firmly believe that the trigger system on the Models 721, 722, 725, and 700 is inherently defective, and I would not own one unless the trigger was replaced with a well known substitute. The actual DESIGNER of the trigger system, long retired, confessed that he had warned Remington about a possible flaw that might cause the trigger to fire improperly, and asked that they let him redesign it. They refused, because the marketing dept. didn't want the rifles costing a NICKEL more than before. Literally.
Testimony shows that the trigger system used on Models 870, 1100, M-740 series, M-760, etc. also reportedly has a tolerance issue where the system can fail if any tiny debris gets lodged where it can prevent the parts interfacing properly, or the safety can be dislodged by a sudden bump/jar. This is a moral, if not legal, disgrace!
I own a M-870 and like it, but will not fully trust the safety. I take great care not to have the muzzle cross anyone and do not stand the gun where it can fall.
Remington also used a marraging steel in 870 barrels for years, probably because it was cheaper than good chrome moly steel. This supposedly led to some burst barrels, but I am unsure if those barrels would not have burst anyway, if a stoppage in the barrel was the issue. But better barrel steel would be desirable.
The media is almost surely not telling the whole truth, but neiither, I think, is Remington.
We as gun owners are rightly deeply suspicious of the media, and NBC seems to be taking the anti-gun lead lately. It may be part of a pre-November agenda, which I dare not say more about on this board.
But if a problem is real, they need to bring it to the public's attention, and I applaud this program, at least those parts which may be factual.
It is inescapable that the DESIGNER OF THE 700-SERIES RIFLES said that the trigger is flawed, and that Remington has gone decades without heeding his warning and has encountered some lawsuits in cases where people were injured or killed as a result.
My son has personally experienced a M-700 firing as the safety was released. Thankfully, the rifle was empty and pointed in a safe direction. He is a VERY experienced, careful gun handler.
Many Remington products are in the hands of the general public, many of whom are rather vague about gun handling. Many are casual hunters with limited interest in firearms, and others buy the guns for home defense and do not familiarize themselves with them as much as they should. Because Remington products are cheaper than some and are so widely sold, many are in public hands.
The company has a responsibility to examine the safety issues and correct them, and publish ads and propaganda in the gun magazines that detail what was done to remedy the problem. But that would be admitting that there IS a problem, which would expose them to enormous legal jeopardy ! I don't look for a fix. That should have come about in 1946...for the cost of an added 5 cents per rifle in the case of the M-700 series.
I will probably never buy another Remington firearm. I'm satisfied that NBC and others who have commented over the years have produced enough smoke that there is a fire there. And gun owners should not have a knee-jerk reaction causing us to rush to Remington's defense.
Remington ammunition has also had enough QC problems in recent years that I try to avoid it, too. And I've seen too many complaints about their cheaper Express shotguns to buy one. The Wingmaster seems to use better quality parts in critical areas. Many Remington products perform well for many years, but some do not, when things fail because they can.
I don't want a gun failing to perform its proper functions while in my hands.
I wanted very much to watch the show, but had to take a long distance call then and was able to follow only some of the report.
I firmly believe that the trigger system on the Models 721, 722, 725, and 700 is inherently defective, and I would not own one unless the trigger was replaced with a well known substitute. The actual DESIGNER of the trigger system, long retired, confessed that he had warned Remington about a possible flaw that might cause the trigger to fire improperly, and asked that they let him redesign it. They refused, because the marketing dept. didn't want the rifles costing a NICKEL more than before. Literally.
Testimony shows that the trigger system used on Models 870, 1100, M-740 series, M-760, etc. also reportedly has a tolerance issue where the system can fail if any tiny debris gets lodged where it can prevent the parts interfacing properly, or the safety can be dislodged by a sudden bump/jar. This is a moral, if not legal, disgrace!
I own a M-870 and like it, but will not fully trust the safety. I take great care not to have the muzzle cross anyone and do not stand the gun where it can fall.
Remington also used a marraging steel in 870 barrels for years, probably because it was cheaper than good chrome moly steel. This supposedly led to some burst barrels, but I am unsure if those barrels would not have burst anyway, if a stoppage in the barrel was the issue. But better barrel steel would be desirable.
The media is almost surely not telling the whole truth, but neiither, I think, is Remington.
We as gun owners are rightly deeply suspicious of the media, and NBC seems to be taking the anti-gun lead lately. It may be part of a pre-November agenda, which I dare not say more about on this board.
But if a problem is real, they need to bring it to the public's attention, and I applaud this program, at least those parts which may be factual.
It is inescapable that the DESIGNER OF THE 700-SERIES RIFLES said that the trigger is flawed, and that Remington has gone decades without heeding his warning and has encountered some lawsuits in cases where people were injured or killed as a result.
My son has personally experienced a M-700 firing as the safety was released. Thankfully, the rifle was empty and pointed in a safe direction. He is a VERY experienced, careful gun handler.
Many Remington products are in the hands of the general public, many of whom are rather vague about gun handling. Many are casual hunters with limited interest in firearms, and others buy the guns for home defense and do not familiarize themselves with them as much as they should. Because Remington products are cheaper than some and are so widely sold, many are in public hands.
The company has a responsibility to examine the safety issues and correct them, and publish ads and propaganda in the gun magazines that detail what was done to remedy the problem. But that would be admitting that there IS a problem, which would expose them to enormous legal jeopardy ! I don't look for a fix. That should have come about in 1946...for the cost of an added 5 cents per rifle in the case of the M-700 series.
I will probably never buy another Remington firearm. I'm satisfied that NBC and others who have commented over the years have produced enough smoke that there is a fire there. And gun owners should not have a knee-jerk reaction causing us to rush to Remington's defense.
Remington ammunition has also had enough QC problems in recent years that I try to avoid it, too. And I've seen too many complaints about their cheaper Express shotguns to buy one. The Wingmaster seems to use better quality parts in critical areas. Many Remington products perform well for many years, but some do not, when things fail because they can.
I don't want a gun failing to perform its proper functions while in my hands.
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amazingflapjack
US Veteran
I check things out for myself, and tend to listen to those who are actually presenting their real experience with the subject at hand, not just "reverse spin" because they don't like where the information they are hearing is coming from. If I were to own another Remington, it would be one that was older. I saw what they did with Marlin, and how that drove up the prices on some used Marlin models. If someone tells me "the bridge is out" I don't care if they have one eye in the middle of their head, I'm going to proceed to carefully check it out. Flapjack.
rcnixon
Member
I taught my daughter many years ago that the only truth on the television is sports and the weather. You can watch the game or stick your head outside to see the weather. Everything else is a play designed only to sell products and make money. I was taught even more years ago than that to recognize (thank you Brother Dwyer!) the three forms of propaganda. The media has become the propaganda arm of the money and government interests, nothing else.
Russ
Russ
Well, folks, given enough of this - get ready to have all your triggers on "sporting" arms go from 5-6 pounds to 10-12.
