Need a rifle - but limited

I've owned several M1 carbines and they're sure fun to shoot and very easy on recoil so even a slight built person could shoot it all day with no problems. But, the choice in ammo is limited.

As mentioned, I'm a lever action fan. The last guns they'll come after are bolt action, single shot and lever action rifles. I collected military arms from the Indian wars through WWII in US, German, Russian and British weapons and have owned and shot a boat load. I was never a big fan of rifles for personal pleasure until my wife gave me a Henry 22 carbine a couple of years ago. I enjoyed shooting it so much it started me thinking about a larger pistol caliber lever gun. In January I bought a Henry Big Boy Carbine with the brass receiver in a 45 LC. I'm hooked now and might buy another in 357/38 in the next week or two. They're not long range guns but neither is the M1 carbine. You'll be good out to about 150 yards with the right load. Accuracy is excellent and recoil mild even with a stout load. Accuracy is excellent too. I've been working up a new load and shooting from a rest with open sights at 25 yards I put 16 shots in less than 2 inches. The 357 should do a comparable job and as mentioned the cartridge will be complementary to your revolver and there's a huge selection of ammo.

Henry rifles are American made, if you should need customer service it's excellent and they're beautifully made. They're beautiful and precision rifles that function like a Swiss watch straight out of the box. To show what kind of company Henry is, the owner often answers the phone himself and handles any issues personally. Customer satisfaction is paramount.

Some people prefer a side gate loading rifle but I personally like the tube loading magazine. If you need, it's easy to make speed loaders out of PVC tubing for tube loading lever guns. With a side loader one shell at a time has to be loaded by hand. It's like Chevy vs Ford, some like one and others like the other.

The only con I can see for some people is the weight of the Big Boy Brass receiver. It has a beautifully blued steel octagonal barrel and it's a little on the heavy side. I selected the carbine version with the 16" barrel vs the 20" because I felt it balanced better. Henry also makes a steel receiver with a round lighter barrel in a 16 and 20 inch also and they're much lighter. It's also available in a case hardened steel receiver.
 
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Although a lever action in pistol caliber is a good idea, I'd prefer a bolt action rifle in 308.

If you've got a Glock and an Ithica 12 ga, you don't need another short range gun.

All you're missing is a real rifle. Ruger makes an adequate Scout rifle, although I prefer the Steyr.
 
I have a number of long guns to choose from, and not too many restrictions. But a consideration to be aware of is: YOUR WIFE. My wife is a typical woman, she can carry one of the grandbabies all day long! But reaching strength is on the minimum side.

She cannot shoulder fire a full size AR-15!, but she can handle a Mini-14 or an M-1 Carbine just fine, Most Lever Actions are OK for her, but the longer Rifle configuration is pushing her a little far.

IF you opt for a M-1 Carbine, get several magazines! The old GI mag pouches could and should hold your 19 rounders, with some filler in the bottom. Slide one over the stock, install the sling and oiler.

Buy at least 100 rounds of Commercial Soft/Hollow Point ammo as well as the FMJ ammo keep you "Emergency" mags loaded with SD ammo! (Yes, it does cost real money! The results are worth it!)

Lastly, get a copy (or online) of the field manual, and read it! Then you'll know how to properly use your firearm, when you FIRE AND CLEAN IT EVERY YEAR (or more often), WIFE TOO!

A stock M-1 Carbine that has been sighted in, will be easier to hit 100 yard targets, than a stock Lever Action (I have 2 of each, I have done the comparison!)

Whatever long gun you buy, get a carry case, that doesn't scream commando!

Ivan
 
There is NOTHING more versatile than a shotgun. Need to get some deer for Meat, mount a 28 inch barrel with a cylinder choke and load the magazine with Foster Slugs or some Sabot 50 caliber shells and you have a Deer gun accurate enough to drop a deer at 100 yards. Need to protect the Home, fill the magazine with Buckshot, either 00, #1, or #4 and you have one of the most devastating weapons that can be purchased. If you are in the mood for a 4 and 20 blackbird pie mount a 28 inch barrel and some #8 Dove loads and you have all you need.

Another plus is you can get a 4 round Remington 870 Home Defense kit with 18.5 and 28 inch barrels for about 500 dollars. Finally I expect some time soon that New York will ban ALL semi automatic rifles, that handwriting is already on the wall. From all I've seen Shotguns will be the very last guns that will be banned.
 
I agree with all the people who praise shotguns. For defense purposes, they're versatile, accurate, effective, robust, and more affordable generally.

But having said that, I have to say I, personally never liked a gauge for SD/HD purposes. I've never used one for that usage, and have a S&W pump gun LE trade-in only because most everyone says I should. And it was cheap @ $200 and has rifle sights. Plus LE shotguns don't get fired very much and this one was in great shape.

Give me a rifle because I trust them more. Purely personal. If the OP can legally own a M1 Carbine, that's what I'd recommend especially in the unlikely SHTF situation. You can carry a lot more ammo for a rifle.
 
What about the Ruger PCC in 9mm with 10 round magazines? Then you wouldn't have to add another caliber. Those that have them seem to really like them. Good Luck!
 
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You can get a New York Compliant AR Looking Rifle in .223. No pistol grip, no forend vertical grip and no threaded barrel, or you can get one with one of those features but a pined magazine.

Bob
 
In real situation anything but a semi auto is a toy. If you are buying a rifle to protect your life forget cowboy guns and precision hunting rifles. Get real. You can be real stylish with a lever gun and have some punk with an Ak light you up. I don't know anyone who has been in a serious gun fight hankering for a lever action or SA six shooter. That's fantasy land from action movies.
 
How about a Mini 14?

I was thinking the same thing. Get some factory 10 rounders. .223/5.56 should be more available than .30 Carbine. And a used Mini would probably be cheaper than an M1 Carbine.
 
In anti-personnel effectiveness I believe any semi auto trumps any other type of repeater, even with low cap magazines or limited to clip loading.

I like the M1 Carbine, consider a good Winchester 1873 clone in 38/357.

Are M1 Garands legal in NY ?

They are big and fairly heavy, but once you learn how to operate them are very effective rifles.
 
Not a rifle guy, but my first thought was a lever-action.

Just seeing this thread today, but my first thought was also a levergun. The current Marlins are supposedly getting better (after Remington took over), but an older JM would be a good choice. If looking at new only, Henry is top notch in my book.

A pistol caliber carbine is fine, but they're not quite up to something like a 30-30 or 35 Rem when it comes to ballistics. However the move up to higher velocity rifles also means higher recoil. If it's going to be a "family" rifle, a pistol caliber might be better. You can shoot mild 38's in a .357 magnum, or go full out Buffalo Bore loads in magnum style. Same with the 44 magnum and 44 specials, but the ammo price jumps significantly.

A good ole 30-30 is pretty easy for my wife to shoot, she even prefers the 35, and she's only 5' tall. Ammo is easily found for a 30-30 and they make reduced recoil loads for it as well. They are easy to load and operate and have a lot of history in the formation of our country. Everybody needs a cowboy gun. :D
 
Have owned Mini 14, Island Manufacturing M1 carbine, Winchester and Marlin lever rifles.
For non AR SHTF semi, Mini 14 for sure. The new ones with their improved barrels are dinner plate accurate at a 100 yards with iron sights, ammo cheap and available, magazines the same, easy to service.
Love shooting a M1 carbine, such a fun gun. A Mini, however, is more accurate, more reliable, has a longer reach.
A Rossi 92 .38/357 20" in stainless would be a fine choice.
Google Hickock45 Rossi 92 to see just what a lever action can do
 
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I like the M-1 carbine--I've taught many people how to shoot and the #1 centerfire go-to fun gun is the carbine.

It recoils like a .22 rifle but it is LOUD, so there is that to consider. Of course, most of the suggestions here would be LOUD as well and I would venture to guess that supressors aren't allowed where you live--strictly verboten here in paradise.

If you can score a bunch of ammo, go ahead and get the carbine. You'll need the ammo--it's easy to burn through 100s of rounds at a time.
 
What's wrong with a decent bolt rifle. I have a .308 SS Ruger 77 with a Nikon 4X on top. If'n I was defending my "spot," you'd have a very tough time getting within 200 yds. Way better than an M1 carbine with small mags. $.02. Joe
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I'm a big fan of the M1 carbine and have two. It was my chosen SHTF rifle for a long time. It was only a couple of years ago that I finally gave in and bought an AR. But that was primarily for ammo availability in the SHTF scenario. Honestly, if it were to happen, I might still go with the Carbine. :rolleyes:
A very valid argument has been made for a lever action. Another excellent choice. But I would recommend one in the 16" Trapper length. They're lighter, more maneuverable and very fast to use.
The shotgun you have would also be fine. Hard to argue with a good scattergun in a defense situation. However, I seriously doubt that anybody in a "bug out" situation would be carrying spare barrels with them. I'd look for an 18" barrel and leave that on all the time.
Also remember that if it truly is a SHTF situation, battlefield pic-ups will likely be available. You can get an AR that way. ;)
 
Look into the Keltech SU 16.
223 instead of a limited range and power pistol cartridge, uses AR mags and while not a target gun, it will shoot minute of deer out to 200 yards easily.
I am not too sure, but think one of the variations will get past "assault weapon" bans. you would want to verify that.
 
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