Need help with markings on model 1917

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I went to local gunshop today and they had a model 1917 45 da for sale. the only thing was it had some strange markings on the cylinder and the side of the barrel. It was marked something like 2.00 tons smililar to my british victory model. also the cylinder was mared with the number 30 it looked like six times.
 
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Yes, those sound like British commercial proofs. It's either a Brit .455 that's been converted, or it's one of the 1917 US WW1 guns that were lend-leased to England for WW2, then returned to the states through commercial channels after the war.

Each chamber, the frame, and the barrel should show NP (nitro powder) proof stamps.
Chris
 
Thank you for the info. The owner of the store said it was chambered for 45 acp. there were no other markes on the cylinder but the numbers. ther were several on the barrel. they want 550.00 for the pistol is that reasonable. The pistol is about 75%.
 
You might want to examine that one very carefully. A .455 caliber S&W can have the cylinder faced off for .45 ACP with moon clips and leave the cylinder and frame lug a sloppy fit. Does the barrel have US Property markings? Does the frame serial number appear on the back of the cylinder, under the extractor, on the edge of the crane, and under the barrel? $550 is too much for a parts gun or finish worn conversion in that shape. If completely original M1917, it is still high, but the WWII lend-lease provinance makes it intersting.
 
It does have the serial numbers in all the right locations and is marked property of the United States. it has he flaming bomb and eagle on it as well. It also hass a strange mark on the barrel it looks like the letter R and two vertical lines next to it . there is also a crown under the cylinder with no letters under it.
 
Welcome to the forum.

I figure mine is around 75% and I wouldn't sell it for $550. These are still a great value and I don't expect the prices to stay low forever. Plus, it's a very serious handgun.
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The markings on the cylinder are Brit marks... they tested or "proofed" each charge hole - 6 charge holes, 6 proofs.

If you can, post some pics expecially the "R" markings on the barrel. Maybe it's a "crown"?
 
I do not have the pistol so i can not get pics.
if it is a brit gun would it have been recambered to .455 or would it still be 45 acp.
I am thinking about purchaseing it but do not want to spend 550.00 on a pistol i can not shoot. I have a 1917 colt and love it and would like to get a smith. the cylinder looks like it has not been touched.
 
if it is a brit gun would it have been recambered to .455 or would it still be 45 acp.

It sounds like it is a 1917, chambered in .45 ACP, that was sold, or given, to the Brits at the beginning of WW II. The English were hurting for firearms and the US sent them all sorts of stuff. They even got some Colt Single Action Armies!
 
Alright I have new info the markings on the barrel are 45.900 7 tons and NIF. The other marking is a crown and under the crown are the letters GP and ever cylinder is marker GP. I hope this helps I really need to know if this is agood deal at 550. and if it has been rechambered I hope this new info helps. Thank you
 
To follow up on what Muley Gil said:
Right after the loss of so much of their equipment at Dunkirk, the Brits were desperate for anything that would shoot. There are written accounts of their civil defense forces having to guard airfields armed with swords, pikes, and battle axes!

All across the US, barrels for civilians to donate working firearms were placed in sporting goods stores, hardware stores, etc. Apparently, they would take anything. I remember seeing a letter in one of the gun rags circa 1990 from an Englishman who wrote about a lever action Winchester in his possession that had come over to England in those dark days. The US government was busy sending whatever they could to England as part of the lend-lease program, so it may have come from military stores or from a civilian.

About this particular revolver:
The "45.900 7 tons" is the British description of the 45 ACP cartridge:
bullet diameter = .45 inch,
case length = .900 inch,
pressure = 7 tons (14,000 pounds) per square inch.

It was not converted from .455 Webley.
Is the finish still blue? Many of these were Parkerized at US arsenals.
Are the stocks (grips) original? (IE, do they look like the ones in the picture above?) If they are original and in excellent condition, they add a lot to the value of the deal.

That price is not too far out of line for one in good working order. Without seeing it, it's hard to say whether it was refinished or not, or whether it's a good deal or not.
 
I want to thank everyone for the help I called the gun shop owner and he said he would hold it for me. I will pick it up after work and hopfully have pictures tommorro.
 
I did purchase the pistol but my camera is of poor quility becase the pics looked horrible. I will try to get a better camera soon. Thanks again for everyones help.
 
I also have a Smith 1917 with British proofs, which are on each chamber. It's in the original .45 ACP chambering, original blue. If you have a copy of the 2003 Gun Digest, it's illustrated there in the article I wrote on U.S. issue .45 handguns of the 20th century. I'm guessing it was either lend-lease or sent to Britain during their emergency panic request for firearms in the early '40s.
 
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