Need help with this Model 10 for sale locally.

[Punisher0822]

Someone has this listed locally. He is asking $350 or best offer. I know nothing about these. He said the serial number is 6167XX. Can anyone tell me the year and what it's worth approximately. This is the only picture I have.

 

[howiema]

looks like a model of 1905 4th release to me $350.00 isnt a bad price grips look good from what I can see, bluing not to bad but pic is a little grainy.

Pete

 

[varmint243]

IMO the model 10 is a utilitarian working gun.
They are neither rare nor highly collectable.
In my area for one in very nice serviceable condition I would consider $300
For a well used one I would want to get it under that.
There are so many factors to consider it really comes down to your desire to own it.

 

[gjamison]

From what I can see from the picture, it may have been reblued. The hammer & trigger look blued, they should be case colored. Grips could be worth what he's asking.

 

[gmborkovic]

Rare? A really over used term. No they are not that. They are collectible in nice shape. With the price ever increasing on some of the more "not commonly encountered" models. it offers some of the Forum members to acquire a nice example of the S&W industrial arts. I have several pre Mod 10s in nice shape that are great shooters. If you own one with original grips that are in nice shape, just look at them under a glass. Beautiful work. My 2 cents. Mike 2796

 

[tlay]

It is not a model 10 or the term of pre model 10. The model 10s started around 1957.
Can we get some better photos of the gun? We need to determine if it has been refinished. If it has it is worth no more than $250 in good condition.

 

[jmace57]

The stocks look from the 'teens to me...but the serial number seems much later.

 

[gmborkovic]

It is not a Mod-10 or pre 10. We all know that. Re-blued with hammer and trigger also re-blued. How in the heck can you tell from that photo?
And when did 1905 HE pre war grips start selling for $350 ?
Mike 2796

 

[thadheth]

The 6167XX serial number you mention would suggest a date of manufacture in the late 1930's. The stocks appear to have recessed gold medallions (unless your color balance is off - possibly due to photographing in fluorescent lighting), which as stated earlier, would put them in the 1910-20 range (according to SCSW). At $250, you could probably sell the parts and recoup your investment - if nothing else, you'd probably have a decent shooter.

 

[DWalt]

6167XX indicates a probable 1930-31 shipping date. It is correctly called a .38 Special Military and Police (M&P) Model. S&W did not use the Model of 1905 terminology at that time. And the grips are indeed pre-1920. To me, it would not be worth $350, but more like in not beyond the $250-$300 range in its pictured condition.

 

[gjamison]

Trigger and hammer look blued in picture. They never left the factory that way, they should have been case colored. Most of the time when the trigger and hammer are blued that means the gun has been reblued.

 

[gmborkovic]

No it is not called that. It is a 1905 4th Change from Sn. 241703 to the end of its run when it became the Victory Model. The trigger and hammer are blue? I have the pic under a glass and can just make out the trigger and the hammer looks dark like the rest of the photo. Best, Mike 2796

 

[DWalt]

No it is not called that. It is a 1905 4th Change from Sn. 241703 to the end of its run when it became the Victory Model. The trigger and hammer are blue? I have the pic under a glass and can just make out the trigger and the hammer looks dark like the rest of the photo. Best, Mike 2796

S&W terminated the use of the Model of 19xx nomenclature for K-frame revolvers prior to WWI, and instead started calling both the round butt (formerly called the Model of 1902) and square butt (formerly called the Model of 1905) K-frame revolvers simply as the "Military and Police Model" (either round or square butt). Also, S&W never used the first change, second change, etc. descriptors in their advertising. That is pure collector speak, just as a way for collectors to designate the various engineering changes which occurred between 1902 and 1915. However, some collectors continue to use the "Model of 1905, 4th Change" terminology, as very little changed in the mechanical design of the M&P between 1915 until the incorporation of the improved hammer safety block in early 1945 Victories. Therefore, all revolvers produced from 1915 until 1945 were essentially identical, and that is why some collectors persist in using the 1905/4th change terminology, including the Victory models, which differed only in caliber and finish from those made in 1915. But S&W did not.

 

[k22fan]

Pictures of 1931 large silver medallion service stocks have been posted that have the silver worn off their S&W logo and other raised areas revealing brass underneath. Perhaps these stocks simply have more nickel worn off their medallions. At any rate 1920s stocks are not worth less than 1930s stocks. The hammer and trigger sure look blued to me but it is a lousy picture. My best guess is that it is a poorly reblued M&P with its original stocks. As a shooter its remaining value is highly dependent on it having an unpitted bore, good carry up, very little rotational play at lock up and little end shake. Assuming a good bore and mechanicals I’ll toss out a value of $225 minus the cost of the least expensive stocks you’d be happy with plus what ever the originals could be sold for. I’d actually retain the original stocks but that's how I’d value it.

 

[Wiregrassguy]

The hammer and trigger may very well be blued, but I can't tell from that picture. What I don't see and would expect to is the rebound slide stud.

 

[DWalt]

"Pictures of 1931 large silver medallion service stocks have been posted that have the silver worn off their S&W logo and other raised areas revealing brass underneath. Perhaps these stocks simply have more nickel worn off their medallions. "

I am sure the stocks pictured are of the pre-1920 style. The medallions are clearly of the "deep dish" type. 1930s grips have smaller silver medallions, and are not "deep dishes."

 

[k22fan]

I don't have pictures of 1920s service stocks to compare so I'll accept your correction. However, I don't think it matters as far as establishing value goes. If the M&P was in collector condition original stocks would be a big deal, but it is only a shooter so the stocks are likely going to be "harvested." I suppose originality could be the determining factor in whether the harvester burns forever in heck for harvesting them, but that's about it.

 

[hangnoose]

YOU POSTED OBO, AND LOCALLY!

Ask to see it in person. Value would depend on overall condition & the grips (which are the big attraction to me). Take some cell phone pics of better quality & get back to us, or pay up if it fancies you. 300$ seems high, but would be tops if everything (the grips) look better than that pic.

 

[wheelgun610]

The hammer and trigger may very well be blued, but I can't tell from that picture. What I don't see and would expect to is the rebound slide stud.

I agree with all that. And it also appears to me that the cylinder may be a slightly different hue than the frame. The photo just doesn't have enough detail for any real conclusive evidence about the condition.

Now, back to the discussion of the semantics of what to call it.

Mark

 

[gmborkovic]

OK, so Im an old collector, and I like 1905 4th change. As far as the blue hammer and trigger are concerned, you can not tell from the OPs pic,
so do not make comments without the M&P in your hands under a strong light and glass. Best, Mike 2796