Need some info on certain AR's

[Hawaiianbro40]

Ive been on the hunt for an AR and I have two gun shops that sell them for great prices.
At one gun shop they sell a(This gun shop has a lifetime replacement warranty)
Colt
SP6920MP-B $1176.95

M&P 15MOE
811020 $1073.95

Other gun shop (Limited Lifetime warranty)
Rock River Arms Elite Operator 2
BB2522 $1000

Ive held each one and heard mixed stuff from person to person. My friend said I cant go wrong with any AR and that he said there pretty much top of the line. Though he said he would take the Colt due to resale value is a little higher.

Just before I make my buy I just want to see if anyone has any info on the Colt 6920MOE and or the M&P15MOE

 

[Maximumbob54]

The only insight I can offer is that I can't feel any difference between my DPMS, Bushmaster, Rock River Arms, or even Model1Sales parts in any of my AR's.

 

[Dragon88]

Those prices are okay, but not great. You can find the M&P 15 MOE on Bud's for less:

Smith & Wesson 30 + 1 5.56 Nato w/16" Barrel/Black Finish $970.00 SHIPS FREE

and the Colt is much cheaper at G&R:

Colt SP 6920MP M4 16" Magpul MOE at G&R Tactical

Even with shipping and transfer, but with no sales tax, you might come out ahead ordering online. Don't worry about warranties, it's not really necessary with an AR as most problems that are likely to occur you can fix yourself. Even so, both S&W and Colt have a Lifetime Warranty, though S&Ws is a little better in that they pay shipping both ways.

Of the rifles you mentioned, I would go with the Colt. Colt is quality, especially in the AR world. The S&W is a decent rifle, but the biggest issue I have with it is the barrel. A 1/9 twist is not ideal if you want to shoot heavier bullets, and the heavier pills make the AR platform much more capable.

The only insight I can offer is that I can't feel any difference between my DPMS, Bushmaster, Rock River Arms, or even Model1Sales parts in any of my AR's.

I wish I could show you some things about your ARs, it's impossible to do over the internet.

 

[moxie]

Colt is Colt. Many consider it the "gold standard" of ARs.

My new CMMG is faultless so far:
CMMG LE Series CMMG Inc. AR15 Rifles, Parts and Accessories. .22 LR Dedicated AR-15 Rifles, Dedicated AR 15 9mm Rifles and Uppers, Tactical Bacon
Good reports and money savings on PSA:
Palmetto State Armory 16" M4 Chrome Lined, MP, Carbine

 

[meanmrmustard]

Those prices are okay, but not great. You can find the M&P 15 MOE on Bud's for less:

Smith & Wesson 30 + 1 5.56 Nato w/16" Barrel/Black Finish $970.00 SHIPS FREE

and the Colt is much cheaper at G&R:

Colt SP 6920MP M4 16" Magpul MOE at G&R Tactical

Even with shipping and transfer, but with no sales tax, you might come out ahead ordering online. Don't worry about warranties, it's not really necessary with an AR as most problems that are likely to occur you can fix yourself. Even so, both S&W and Colt have a Lifetime Warranty, though S&Ws is a little better in that they pay shipping both ways.

Of the rifles you mentioned, I would go with the Colt. Colt is quality, especially in the AR world. The S&W is a decent rifle, but the biggest issue I have with it is the barrel. A 1/9 twist is
not ideal if you want to shoot heavier bullets, and the heavier pills make the AR platform much more capable.



I wish I could show you some things about your ARs, it's impossible to do over the internet.

Wow, that's a pretty bold statement. I wish the Internet was more visual, so that the AR gurus could regale us lowly noobs of the difference in a DPMS of the +$1000 price tag and a Colt of the same, or an Armalite costing less or a Larue at substantially more. Fact is, everybody makes a lemon. Maybe once here or there...maybe once a lifetime. But, you of all knowing AR knowledge, would convince any who will listen that an AR that is even the slightest bit more expensive is better than most. It's a Chevy versus Rolls argument. If it goes BANG, leave it alone. It's an experienced operator, such as yourself, to tell us what we need to know about what we own, rather than what is best to own.

 

[Dragon88]

Wow, that's a pretty bold statement. I wish the Internet was more visual, so that the AR gurus could regale us lowly noobs of the difference in a DPMS of the +$1000 price tag and a Colt of the same, or an Armalite costing less or a Larue at substantially more. Fact is, everybody makes a lemon. Maybe once here or there...maybe once a lifetime. But, you of all knowing AR knowledge, would convince any who will listen that an AR that is even the slightest bit more expensive is better than most. It's a Chevy versus Rolls argument. If it goes BANG, leave it alone. It's an experienced operator, such as yourself, to tell us what we need to know about what we own, rather than what is best to own.

Your attempt to flame and be sarcastic failed completely. Let's keep the OPs post on topic.

Quality in an AR is very tangible if you know what to look for. Also, it does not always have a direct relationship with price. The best quality components on the market are mid-range in price, if you know how and where to shop.

 

[meanmrmustard]

Your attempt to flame and be sarcastic failed completely. Let's keep the OPs post on topic.

Quality in an AR is very tangible if you know what to look for. Also, it does not always have a direct relationship with price. The best quality components on the market are mid-range in price, if you know how and where to shop.

Obviously not, or you wouldn't have responded. You don't know how many guns I own, or how many forums I am a member of, this being one of the newer. Fact is, if OP can afford it and it suits his/her needs then give us substantiated evidence of why $300 is worth more for the Colt over the Rock River. I will agree, S&W does have great customer service. Tell us more than that though, as most of us own S&W products already. I don't wanna argue, but it's in my nature to question arrogance. I, personally, would agree to all three firearms listed being quality as two of the three I have fired and the third a coworker owns and adores. However, what is your take on the difference in the weapons listed? I humbly request.

 

[Dragon88]

Obviously not, or you wouldn't have responded. You don't know how many guns I own, or how many forums I am a member of, this being one of the newer. Fact is, if OP can afford it and it suits his/her needs then give us substantiated evidence of why $300 is worth more for the Colt over the Rock River. I will agree, S&W does have great customer service. Tell us more than that though, as most of us own S&W products already. I don't wanna argue, but it's in my nature to question arrogance. I, personally, would agree to all three firearms listed being quality as two of the three I have fired and the third a coworker owns and adores. However, what is your take on the difference in the weapons listed? I humbly request.

Sorry, you're going to have to go flame on one of those others forums. That's not what this one is for.

If you need to learn about ARs, let me direct you to a site where you can do some research:

https://www.google.com/

 

[pennlineman]

OP, of the three you listed I'd go with the Colt. I have both a Colt 6920 and S&W M&P 15. The Colt has a barrel twist of 1/7 which does handle heavier bullets better than S&W's 1/9 twist. Also the Colt came with the M-16 full auto bolt carrier where as the S&W came with the standard AR-15 bolt carrier.

Both good rifles but for $100 more I'd get the Colt if I could only have one.

 

[meanmrmustard]

Sorry, you're going to have to go flame on one of those others forums. That's not what this one is for.

If you need to learn about ARs, let me direct you to a site where you can do some research:

https://www.google.com/

Thought I'd ask the know it all What the post is for is first hand knowledge, not your expertise of google, YouTube, wiki, etc. Soldier o' Fortune.

I agree, colt, minus cost, is the way to go. Signing off on this post, happily.

 

[Culina]

I would go with the Colt, I have been impressed by their product plus they have been making them for a lot longer than the others you mentioned. Being a US Government supplier, Colt also have to follow certain proceedures and adhere to a certain spec that the others may not follow.

 

[meanmrmustard]

I would go with the Colt, I have been impressed by their product plus they have been making them for a lot longer than the others you mentioned. Being a US Government supplier, Colt also have to follow certain proceedures and adhere to a certain spec that the others may not follow.

What about Larue and Wilson?

 

[Dragon88]

What about Larue and Wilson?

Both are niche custom shops that have nothing to do with mil-spec* standards. Colt is the standard for M-4s/AR-15s.

*Note that the term "mil-spec" is grossly abused and overused. Colt is one of two manufacturers (in the AR world) that deserves the designation.

 

[Culina]

What about Larue and Wilson?

Well, the OP asked for an opinion on only three options (thank god) thus my lack of mention to the others, and there are plenty more.

 

[Mack]

What about Larue and Wilson?

What value are you adding to this discussion? From your comments I gather that in your opinion Colt is overpriced and DPMS or Rock River is just as good which highlights you lack of knowledge on AR's. And now you want to throw even higher priced AR's into the mix? Troll.

 

[meanmrmustard]

What value are you adding to this discussion? From your comments I gather that in your opinion Colt is overpriced and DPMS or Rock River is just as good which highlights you lack of knowledge on AR's. And now you want to throw even higher priced AR's into the mix? Troll.

Any AR is better than no AR. Troll? If you werent busy finding random names to call me, you'd get the gist of me bringing up Larue and Wilson. Post wasn't meant for you. I was hoping Dragon 88 could tell me the difference in some of the ARs another poster listed. You'd know that had you read them, showing your lack of knowledge on this thread, let alone the lack of value your post makes.

 

[meanmrmustard]

Both are niche custom shops that have nothing to do with mil-spec* standards. Colt is the standard for M-4s/AR-15s.

*Note that the term "mil-spec" is grossly abused and overused. Colt is one of two manufacturers (in the AR world) that deserves the designation.

I understand. Can you tell the difference by anything other than weight and outside appearance from just shooting these weapons? I remember I shot the Armalite M15 about two months ago (friends toy) and it did not have the familiar clanging of the buffer when firing, which I've noticed on the Panther and M&P. But, I'd not known any difference in those other than weight or looks had I not shot them. Guess what I'm getting at is what's the difference, if any that are worth stating, internally? BCG? Feed ramps?

 

[9c1 lover]

just build it.

i built mine for under $600.

Delton kit on a spike's lower.

$89 for the lower, $465 for the kit.

transfer, shipping and taxes was a hair under $600.

unless you like paying twice as much for a name and already built. fwiw, i built mine in 30 mins.

your money.

 

[akviper]

Colts from G&R. Buy the new MOE 6920 and you are good to go.

 

[Falguy]

If any AR upper or lower is 7075 aluminum and in spec, there really is no difference between any of them. It really doesn’t matter Colt, S&W, DD, Spike’s, LMT, CMT, etc… There’s a lot of good stuff out there

There are also only two companies that make bolts for the AR.
It’s the QC of the various companies that assemble them that make the difference
I like to stick with BCM and LMT for the bolt carrier group(BCG)
I’m sure others are just as good

The barrel is important and about the only thing really different. If you want really long life, get a Noveske. I also like their adjustable gas blocks
They are hammer forged and double chromed. Supposedly you will get 25,000 rounds plus.
If you aren’t interested in this kind of barrel life, then any barrel will do