New Colt Python

And I forgot to mention everyone is complaining about the heavy and lousy single action pull on the "new" Python. The "original" Python had an out of this world single action pull. The last 3 "original Pythons I owned had single action pulls of 3 lbs or less.
Yes but lets be honest, a great trigger pull in both SA and DA mode, BUT, after a short time they would go out of time and require gunsmith tuning to get them back in order.. Back in the day, gents who used their guns for a living or just shot them a lot knew the truth which was well known. Colts had the BEST factory triggers but they didn't last too long.
S&W's were much better, just a bit of a smith tuning and the trigger could equal a Colt and last much longer.
Then there was Ruger, built like a tank but factory triggers were really crude by comparison. A good smith could really improve them, but they still couldn't equal a Colt or S&W for competition shooting. The Security Six was a great LEO but for the very high round count shooter, the GP100 replaced it with a gun that can last virtually forever, no matter how much you shoot it. I've got my personal range GP SA to break at 2 5/16 lbs, DA at a little over 10, BUT its a Federal primer gun only and not one I'd ever use for personal protection. :p
 
I don't care what anyone says, that finish looks awesome. A Python is a Python no matter what suit it wears. Now I kinda want my 4" to look like that, but it's stainless so maybe not.
If you really dig it, watch Gun Broker for a used and abused one on the cheap, then do the same. ;)
 
I prefer the look, feel and trigger of a vintage S&W and always have. I can see where others love the look of the Colt better. Each camp's choice has its pluses and minuses. I think it comes down to a "Ford versus Chevy" thing. Here are my favorites, an Outdoorsman and a pre-27, each with Coke grips.

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My Python was given to me by a dear friend, now passed. He had been given the pistol by the original owner's brother. The original owner had bought it sometimes in the 1970s, I believe. It was originally a nickel-plated 6" model. The owner had some mental issues and at one point, got into a confrontation with some Sheriff's Deputies. At some point in the confrontation, guns were drawn and Dan, the original owner, had a pistol shot out of his hand. One of the deputies told my friend that after being shot, Dan told the deputy, "Goddamn, good shot!". 😄 Dan then spent some time in the nervous hospital and while away, his brother hid his guns. The Python sat in a cardboard box on a shelf in an old abandoned barn for maybe 20 years. When my friend, Joe, was given it by Dans brother, it looked like this:

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Joe brought it over to show it to me and I suggested that it might could be "saved" by having it refinished. I suggested that since it was in pretty bad shape, he could have it parkerized for a different look. He and I took it to Randy Kline, aka Sledgehammer, in Jacksonville, Texas. Randy is a master gunsmith and has built several FAL rifles for me. At his shop, I lobbied to also have the barrel shortened to 5" for a truly unique look, but that idea was shot down. Probably for the best, too. Randy said that the most expensive part of the refinish was having to send the pistol away to have the nickel coating electro-chemically removed in Houston. Joe put the Pachymar grips on after getting it back.

I've heard of several other parkerized Pythons since acquiring this one. I imagine they were finished like that for similar reasons. It may well offend Colt purists, but I like the way it looks now, and it's surely much improved over the way it looked when Joe first got it.

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I have a 4" S&W 686, bought new around 1987 or '88 that was tuned by a neighbor who was a gunsmith. His specialty was tuning S&W revolvers (and bedding rifle stocks) and he was fantastic at it. Gene Salach replaced the factory springs, stoneded, polished and shimmed the parts and the result is just an incredible trigger job. Many people say that it's the best they've felt. I don't know about that, but it is very fine. Recently, I had both it and the Python out of the safe and I'll say that even now, that Colt's trigger isn't that far from the trigger of that Smith. In both single and double-action mode, it's not far behind, and after all it's been through, that's quite the testament to its quality. 😉

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Maybe a silly question but was complete disassembly require to do the job?
 
good point, do you think a trigger job on the new python can get to that pull of 3-4 lbs without compromising the gun???

People have reported you "can" get a lighter trigger pull by grinding on it but there is one big problem with doing this. It voids the warranty and it opens you up to big lawsuits if you drop the gun and it goes off and hurts someone. The new "California Trigger" is supposed to prevent the gun from going off if dropped when it is at "full cock".

In other words the factory trigger redesign made the trigger pull heavier and grinding it off cancels out the new "drop safety" factor.
 
Maybe a silly question but was complete disassembly require to do the job?
You know, I've asked myself that same question before and I don't know if that was required or not. I would think that it was, would the process of removing the nickel have required all parts be removed first? Maybe someone more knowledgeable than me will know. I don't remember anything being said about it, but I wasn't there when Joe picked it up at Randy's shop. If Randy Kline did reassemble the trigger parts, then he did a great job as it does have a very nice trigger in both SA and DA.
 
Again, would you detail your (extensive?) experience with the new Pythons to add credibility to your comments?
My answer is hands on testing of both the single and double action pulls. I might also suggest you go over to the Colt forum. Everyone is complaining about the single action pull (and they all cannot be liars for sure) although some do prefer its double action pull (certainly not me).

There is also an engineer on the Colt forum who gave a detailed run down of how the new trigger system works (or shall we say doesn't work as well as the old system). The new design was meant to be "safer" not better an this it does do. I might add the Engineer at the Colt Forum is a New Python cheerleader.
 
My answer is hands on testing of both the single and double action pulls. I might also suggest you go over to the Colt forum. Everyone is complaining about the single action pull (and they all cannot be liars for sure) although some do prefer its double action pull (certainly not me).

There is also an engineer on the Colt forum who gave a detailed run down of how the new trigger system works (or shall we say doesn't work as well as the old system). The new design was meant to be "safer" not better an this it does do. I might add the Engineer at the Colt Forum is a New Python cheerleader.
I just wondered about your qualifications to make such statements and wanted to get some idea as to how much you had actually fired your new Python(s), not just tested the trigger(s). I'm on the Colt forum regularly and am aware of the complaints about the single-action pull of new Pythons, but I doubt many have fired them enough to become accustomed to the trigger. I don't know about any cheerleaders.

I have found it takes a good bit of concentration before trigger squeeze, as I mentioned in an earlier post, but that should help me and others to improve our shooting skills. I seldom shoot double-action.
 
Yes but lets be honest, a great trigger pull in both SA and DA mode, BUT, after a short time they would go out of time and require gunsmith tuning to get them back in order.. Back in the day, gents who used their guns for a living or just shot them a lot knew the truth which was well known. Colts had the BEST factory triggers but they didn't last too long.
S&W's were much better, just a bit of a smith tuning and the trigger could equal a Colt and last much longer.
Then there was Ruger, built like a tank but factory triggers were really crude by comparison. A good smith could really improve them, but they still couldn't equal a Colt or S&W for competition shooting. The Security Six was a great LEO but for the very high round count shooter, the GP100 replaced it with a gun that can last virtually forever, no matter how much you shoot it. I've got my personal range GP SA to break at 2 5/16 lbs, DA at a little over 10, BUT its a Federal primer gun only and not one I'd ever use for personal protection. :p
Not 100% true. It depended on how the hand was fitted at the Colt Factory. I bought a Python that went out of time but only slightly and you had to know what you were doing to even detect it but it would have gotten worse over time so I ordered and fitted a new hand "on the long side" deliberately almost to the point where the gun would not cock. I never had a problem with the timing after that.
 
I just wondered about your qualifications to make such statements and wanted to get some idea as to how much you had actually fired your new Python(s), not just tested the trigger(s). I'm on the Colt forum regularly and am aware of the complaints about the single-action pull of new Pythons, but I doubt many have fired them enough to become accustomed to the trigger. I don't know about any cheerleaders.

I have found it takes a good bit of concentration before trigger squeeze, as I mentioned in an earlier post, but that should help me and others to improve our shooting skills. I seldom shoot double-action.
I am not a novice to double action shooting. I have been doing double action shooting since 1962. I can pick up a revolver or even an auto pistol and come pretty close to giving the trigger pull weight without even using a trigger gauge. But that is beside the point. What is to the point is that an experienced person certainly does not have to live fire a revolver to know if its trigger pull stinks and it may take thousands of rounds to even smooth out if it is rough and I can guarantee you the pull weight will not change much if at all no matter how much you try and break it in. Heavy trigger pulls do not magically go away simply because you wish they will. Pick up a turn of the century H&R revolver ( now there is a good example) and see if the very heavy trigger pull magically got better in the last 125 years.
 
I am not a novice to double action shooting. I have been doing double action shooting since 1962. I can pick up a revolver or even an auto pistol and come pretty close to giving the trigger pull weight without even using a trigger gauge. But that is beside the point. What is to the point is that an experienced person certainly does not have to live fire a revolver to know if its trigger pull stinks and it may take thousands of rounds to even smooth out if it is rough and I can guarantee you the pull weight will not change much if at all no matter how much you try and break it in. Heavy trigger pulls do not magically go away simply because you wish they will. Pick up a turn of the century H&R revolver ( now there is a good example) and see if the very heavy trigger pull magically got better in the last 125 years.
So you've had no actual experience firing a new Python, but you're indeed an expert. As I figured. I'll make no more comments regarding your posts.
 
So you've had no actual experience firing a new Python, but you're indeed an expert. As I figured. I'll make no more comments regarding your posts.
And I forgot to mention your statement "becoming accustomed to" (a bad trigger pull) is an excuse for its bad single action pull and does not ever make it better or anywhere equal to the excellent single action trigger pull of the Original Python. And you finally admitted that "yes" everyone "was" complaining on the Colt forum about the bad single action trigger pull of the New Python (even the New Python lovers) so why do you go on trying to ignore this and praise the New Python when there is nothing to praise in regards to its inferior single action pull. All this is not opinion, it's a mechanical reality that came about because of safety issues and now well known about by many people besides myself.

If you like the New Python buy one but let's not try and soft soap its reality so that people who are thinking about buying one will not be aware of what the gun is like compared to the Original Python or even other pistols.

The Smith 27 and 28 were always rugged and accurate and well made .357 pistols.

The Original Python was and always will be a classic and will continue to escalate in value to the point where the average man will no longer be able to ever afford one. In some ways its already reached that price point.

The Ruger GP100 is a rugged, reliable and affordable .357 for the average Joe who will be very satisfied with it. Its never been overhyped or made out to be something that it is not like the New Python has been.

The New Colt Python is an overpriced, and over hyped pistol that does nothing that the Smiths, or Rugers and especially the Original Python have done in the past and it remains on the bottom of my list as a desirable .357 to purchase because you are paying "for the name" and that is way too high a price to pay in my opinion considering what you are getting. If it sold for only $500 bucks I might consider buying one but just barely.
 
The New Colt Python is an overpriced, and over hyped pistol that does nothing that the Smiths, or Rugers and especially the Original Python have done in the past and it remains on the bottom of my list as a desirable .357 to purchase because you are paying "for the name" and that is way too high a price to pay in my opinion considering what you are getting. If it sold for only $500 bucks I might consider buying one but just barely.
They sure are purdy, even for the old ones that slotted barrel rib was a big part of their attraction. But I do shoot a lot (or at least used to, not so much now since I went into my 70s) :(

The New Colt Python is an overpriced, and over hyped pistol that does nothing that the Smiths, or Rugers and especially the Original Python have done in the past and it remains on the bottom of my list as a desirable .357 to purchase because you are paying "for the name" and that is way too high a price to pay in my opinion considering what you are getting. If it sold for only $500 bucks I might consider buying one but just barely.
There's a lot to what you say but in todays world $1500 really isn't a lot of money for a tool that should last a lifetime. Heck it isn't even a down payment on a cheap new car. For many of us here, owning many more than one gun is the norm. I don't golf but how many clubs does the average golfer have in his bag, and at what costs?
I've been an avid handgunner - reloader since I got out of the Army in 1970. My dad was a WW 2 Veteran and he got me into shooting back in my very early pre-teens. Addicted you might say. LOL.
I've got a bunch of handguns from the big 4 and enjoy working on all of them but have found the tank like build and designs of Ruger and S&W revolvers to be my fav's. I've got SA triggers on both in the 2 1/2 lb range, with slightly better-lower DA triggers on S&W's. Goes without sayin a tuned 1911 Colt has the best semi-auto trigger in the world. LOL
IMHO the S&W extra large frame 460 & 500s to be the very finest of their origins.
In the big picture I believe the Ruger GP 100 to be the finest 357 framed revolver in the world.
YMMV ;)
 
good point, do you think a trigger job on the new python can get to that pull of 3-4 lbs without compromising the gun???
Yes, absolutely. Out of the box, my new Python's SA pull was 5.5 lbs. After about 15 minutes of careful stoning with medium, fine, and extra fine stones, using Dykem blue to show me where and how much metal I was removing, mine now has a 2.5 lb SA pull. Out of the box, mine had an 8.5lb DA pull, which is dang near perfect. I polished the trigger sear ledge where it contacts the hammer DA strut lightly, and polished the side of the transfer bar and the contact points of the rebound lever. This further reduced the DA pull on mine down to 7.5 lbs. If you have done trigger jobs before, it is SUPER easy; you just remove the little "hook" Colt machined into the SA notch on the hammer that was put there to pass the stupid drop safety test the commie states require to sell guns there.

Opinions vary, but to me and most who own the new Python, the consensus is that the DA pull is better on the new Python than the legacy Python because it is about the same pull weight, but lacks the stacking at the end of the pull found in the legacy Python. However, some shooters like to stage their DA trigger pulls, so it's a matter of what you like. But, the DA pull out of the box is much lighter than S&W double action out of the box... although changing the pull weight is much easier to correct on a S&W, with the availability of aftermarket springs.

The legacy Python is a beautifully made revolver, but is overly complex internally and gets out of time if you do a lot of rapid DA shooting because the hand is length-dependent and eventually gets peened on the end after repeatedly slamming into the ratchets, unlike a S&W hand which is width-dependent for timing. I've been told that installing an overtravel screw onto the trigger solves this. The new style Python still has a length-dependent dual-nose hand just like the original to achieve the so-called "bank vault lockup." The other issue is the more complex cylinder stop bolt arrangement on the legacy Python and how it interacts with the rebound bar, and the complex hammer stop safety linkage assy.

The lockwork on the new Python is much more simplified with fewer parts that are less dependent on the interaction of other parts, easier to work on, and the parts are made of better, stronger materials. For example, on the stainless version, the hammer and trigger on the new Python is made of machined from bar stock, 420HC through-hardened stainless. It's the same material often used for knife blades. The frame, barrel, cylinder, and yoke are made of 17-4 PH, so the new Python is WAY stronger and more corrosion-resistant than the old Python. I'm assuming the blued version is made of 4140 or similar chrome moly steel in order to take the bluing. The new Python uses a simpler S&W style cylinder stop (or in Colt language, "bolt"), which is much less likely to get out of time than the legacy Python's "seesaw" lever-style bolt that is actuated by the rebound lever. The old style had a hammer block safety, the new style has a rebound bar. There are MIM parts in the new Python - the rebound bar, hammer stirrup, transfer bar, and cylinder latch are MIM. The hammer and trigger are again machined from bar stock.

The new Python has a recessed crown unlike the old Python. The front sight on the new is a quick change style with a simple set screw, vs the pinned front sight on the old Python. The barrel on the new Python is 1-piece, same as the old Python. The old Python had a slightly longer, knurled hammer spur, the new has a simpler serrated spur. Old Python had a serrated backstrap, and it's smooth on the new. The old one had a cylinder stop lug on the lower corner of the cylinder window, the new doesn't have it and doesn't require it. The new trigger has a more open curve to it vs the old. The new Pytnon has a thicker top strap than the old. The new Python's finish isn't quite as polished as the old, but it is still way more polished than any other competing revolver except for a Manurhin MR73. It is quite nice, in fact. The new blued Pythons are almost but not quite at the same level as the legacy "royal blue," but the newer blue formulas produce a darker, blacker hue than the old finish with more bluish hue.

The rear sight sucks swamp water. But an outstanding Wilson Combat rear sight is only $114, and is easy to install. You simply drive out the existing roll pin and unscrew the elevation screw on the factory sight, position the new sight in place with the elevation spring captured underneath it and start the elevation screw just enough to contain the spring. Then drive the roll pin back in to hold it in place and turn the elevation screw down where you need it. The Wilson sight is much more robust and has click-adjust elevation and windage.

All considered, as a pure shooter, I think the new Python is a much better revolver. It's stronger, less problematic, out of superior materials, and on average, shooters report at least equal if not superior accuracy levels as the old Python. The new Python looks almost identical to the old, having essentially the same overall design. Bottom line, if you want a shooter, the new Python is better in almost every way. If you're a collector, the old Python is your huckleberry.
 
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I did a walk-by the gun case when I bought my hunting license yesterday. None of the much advertised new Smiths on display, all the new Colts. This store has never had a history of Colts on display, they even had a Delta Elite, first one I've ever seen for sale there.
The gun that attracted some of my interest was the "Viper". 3", 6-shot stainless .357, fixed sights. Almost like they were marketing a S&W Model 13 clone, but in stainless. It seemed a lot smaller than the Pythons.
 
The New Colt Python is an overpriced, and over hyped pistol that does nothing that the Smiths, or Rugers and especially the Original Python have done in the past and it remains on the bottom of my list as a desirable .357 to purchase because you are paying "for the name" and that is way too high a price to pay in my opinion considering what you are getting. If it sold for only $500 bucks I might consider buying one but just barely.
In what way is it "overpriced?" It's about the same price as a S&W 627 PC, and in every respect, it is better made than the Smith. I own both revolvers and many others to compare it to. The 627 is very nice, among my favorites. Truthfully, I prefer the overall internal lockwork design of a Smith because it is easier to work on, easier to tune, and has better aftermarket parts availability. Otherwise, the Python is made of much better, more expensive stainless steels, uses more CNC machined parts, is better fit and finished, has a smoother action out of the box, and has better attention to details. The finish is much more flawless than any Smith or Ruger, with more shop time to produce. The Python is quite a bit more costly to manufacture with more CNC machining and finish time involved. It has more geometrically complex parts, which means more machine cycle time to produce those parts. So naturally from the standpoint of cost to produce and getting a normal profit margin, it will have a higher retail price than an average Ruger or Smith. Despite this, it is roughly the same or only a couple hundred less than the higher end Smiths. Given the price of competing revolvers, its $1300 - $1400 going rate is about what you can expect at today's gun prices. Mine is my second most accurate revolver I own behind my Dan Wesson 44 with 8" heavy barrel. It shoots circles around the rest of my revolvers. The SA pull is mediocre out of the box, but is very easy to correct, and that feature has no impact on the production cost to Colt. I think overall it's a bargain for what you get compared to competing revolvers, and I truly believe with no hyperbole and no brand loyalty that it is the best USA made revolver on the market today.
 
In what way is it "overpriced?" It's about the same price as a S&W 627 PC, and in every respect, it is better made than the Smith. I own both revolvers and many others to compare it to. The 627 is very nice, among my favorites. Truthfully, I prefer the overall internal lockwork design of a Smith because it is easier to work on, easier to tune, and has better aftermarket parts availability. Otherwise, the Python is made of much better, more expensive stainless steels, uses more CNC machined parts, is better fit and finished, has a smoother action out of the box, and has better attention to details. The finish is much more flawless than any Smith or Ruger, with more shop time to produce. The Python is quite a bit more costly to manufacture with more CNC machining and finish time involved. It has more geometrically complex parts, which means more machine cycle time to produce those parts. So naturally from the standpoint of cost to produce and getting a normal profit margin, it will have a higher retail price than an average Ruger or Smith. Despite this, it is roughly the same or only a couple hundred less than the higher end Smiths. Given the price of competing revolvers, its $1300 - $1400 going rate is about what you can expect at today's gun prices. Mine is my second most accurate revolver I own behind my Dan Wesson 44 with 8" heavy barrel. It shoots circles around the rest of my revolvers. The SA pull is mediocre out of the box, but is very easy to correct, and that feature has no impact on the production cost to Colt. I think overall it's a bargain for what you get compared to competing revolvers, and I truly believe with no hyperbole and no brand loyalty that it is the best USA made revolver on the market today.
There are Smith Revolvers, Taurus Revolvers, and Ruger Revolvers all selling for way less than a Colt Python. I stop in at my local Gun store once weekly as well as a local pawn shop that sells new firearms so I am aware of gun prices. As a matter of fact even a quick check on a website known for super high prices (Gunbroker) you can get a "classic" brand new Smith M19 for $825 and I have seen the Ruger GP100 for sale at my local gun dealer for $650 that is a whopping $850 less than a Python and even $675 less than a Python for the Smith 19. And remember the Python is not any better than the Ruger or the Smith, it only basks in the shadow of the Original quality Python by pretending to be one.

I might also state that I think the gun boom is now going bust. My friend who has an F.F.L. had a call just this morning from a gun wholesaler actually begging him to set up an account with them. One of our local gun shops just went out of business because they were not selling enough volume. I could go on but by now I am sure you get the picture. With today's soaring prices for medicine and consumer goods $1,500 bucks is a lot more money than the average worker can afford to spend even if they wanted to. I went to the grocery store last week and bought less than a dozen mundane items and got hit with a $100 dollar bill. I think I just made my point in spades.
 
Many folks think their older Colts go out of time just don't understand that Colts do not carry up like Smiths. Smith hands slide by the ratchet at full cock, whereas the Colt hand serves to ease the cylinder in the the locking bolt and the final part of the trigger pull raises the hand a bit more and locks the gun along with the locking bolt. You can't check Colt timing (carry-up) like you do with a Smith, you need to account for the work the hand is doing at firing. That said, Colts can and do go out of time, and may be more prone to it than Smiths.
 
There are Smith Revolvers, Taurus Revolvers, and Ruger Revolvers all selling for way less than a Colt Python. I stop in at my local Gun store once weekly as well as a local pawn shop that sells new firearms so I am aware of gun prices. As a matter of fact even a quick check on a website known for super high prices (Gunbroker) you can get a "classic" brand new Smith M19 for $825 and I have seen the Ruger GP100 for sale at my local gun dealer for $650 that is a whopping $850 less than a Python and even $675 less than a Python for the Smith 19. And remember the Python is not any better than the Ruger or the Smith, it only basks in the shadow of the Original quality Python by pretending to be one.
Of course there are other revolvers selling for way less! I was comparing a Smith with similar level of detail, fit and finish to the new Python, not a Taurus! It's not fair to compare a mid range Smith to the Python, and it's especailly not a fair comparison between a Taurus and Ruger, because the Python is better fit and finished and made of more expensive alloys, using more expensive processes.

Manufacturing cost is one of the biggest drivers of retail price. The Python requires more machine time and more shop overhead cost to make it because it is a more complex design with more complex geometry parts. Of course it's going to be more expensive because it costs more to make it! If you compare it to some of the Performance Center Smith with extra machining on the barrel shrouds and extra features, then those Smiths are about the same price as a new Python. That's a more fair comparison. And none of the revolvers you mention have billet machined hammers and triggers. None of them have the amount of attention paid to chamfering corners of parts. None of them have the same external finish quality, nor close. Those are the reasons for the cost difference. You aren't comparing guns in the same class of fit and finish at all.

I have a Smith 19. It's a nice gun. My Python is a better made, better finished gun in every respect, so I would expect to pay more for it. Both guns are reasonably priced for what you get.

You may not like the new Python, but it's kind of silly to say it's overpriced when comparing design and feature set, especially compared to more crude Rugers and Tauruses, when the Python is considerably more costly to manufacture. There's nothing wrong with Rugers and Tauruses overall, but they aren't competing in the same category, nor are they trying to. Nicer made stuff out of better materials with greater attention to detail always costs more; that's the way it works. If it costs more to make something, the cost is going to be passed on to the consumer, regardless of what value you personally place on it.

What someone is able to afford and the value any individual personally places on anything has nothing to do with the raw cost to manufacture something.
 
The new Python I bought cost me $1299 without the 7% Va sales tax. Stainless, real wood grips and beautiful. I got $400 off the list price at a Pawn shop that was changing hands and the owner loved the cash I handed him. It sits next to my bed upstairs with 5 rounds in the cylinder and a 44 MAG 94 Marlin very close with 10 rounds in the MAG and a ton of muzzle energy in every shot. My older Smiths do not need to be shot much. It doesn't take much practice to hone my skills after 60 years of shooting. I don't need to waste ammunition but I do shoot occasionally and now that my brother is a range officer and member of the local range I can go there anytime he is working. Tried to offer him compensation but he refused to take anything. Just bought 60 rounds of 6.5 Creedmore for my rifle. Watched a video where they sighted in a rifle with two rounds. Bore sighted the first then had a helper adjust the scope while the shooter looked at the target with the rifle held rigidly in a solid rest. Last time I sighted in a rifle was 1982 and it took 13 rounds to put 3 dead center in the X ring that you could cover with a dime at 100 yards. Center to center was less than the diameter of a 7 MM bullet so 1/4 inch, with my (now) dead brothers hand loads. I was the range officer at the range. I paid $350 for a Python target (38 special only) that same year 1982.
43 years ago.
 
Of course there are other revolvers selling for way less! I was comparing a Smith with similar level of detail, fit and finish to the new Python, not a Taurus! It's not fair to compare a mid range Smith to the Python, and it's especailly not a fair comparison between a Taurus and Ruger, because the Python is better fit and finished and made of more expensive alloys, using more expensive processes.

Manufacturing cost is one of the biggest drivers of retail price. The Python requires more machine time and more shop overhead cost to make it because it is a more complex design with more complex geometry parts. Of course it's going to be more expensive because it costs more to make it! If you compare it to some of the Performance Center Smith with extra machining on the barrel shrouds and extra features, then those Smiths are about the same price as a new Python. That's a more fair comparison. And none of the revolvers you mention have billet machined hammers and triggers. None of them have the amount of attention paid to chamfering corners of parts. None of them have the same external finish quality, nor close. Those are the reasons for the cost difference. You aren't comparing guns in the same class of fit and finish at all.

I have a Smith 19. It's a nice gun. My Python is a better made, better finished gun in every respect, so I would expect to pay more for it. Both guns are reasonably priced for what you get.

You may not like the new Python, but it's kind of silly to say it's overpriced when comparing design and feature set, especially compared to more crude Rugers and Tauruses, when the Python is considerably more costly to manufacture. There's nothing wrong with Rugers and Tauruses overall, but they aren't competing in the same category, nor are they trying to. Nicer made stuff out of better materials with greater attention to detail always costs more; that's the way it works. If it costs more to make something, the cost is going to be passed on to the consumer, regardless of what value you personally place on it.

What someone is able to afford and the value any individual personally places on anything has nothing to do with the raw cost to manufacture something.
The New Python is a total rip off and an insult to the buyer. The buyer puts down $1500 and then has to spend another $250 to have the crappy single action trigger pull reduced and the icing on the cake is that after the rework if the owner drops the revolver and it goes off and shoots someone because he had the factory trigger altered he gets sued out of existence. What more could a buyer enjoy when owning an Ersatz Python, sarcasm.

And when you add $250 to $1500 that equals $1,750. I paid $2,000 for "a real" original Python. The point being made that when you get into that kind of money for an Ersatz Python you may as well just buy a "real Python" for a few bucks more as it already has an out of this world single action pull and if it would go off when dropped Colt gets sued, not you, because you never had to alter the gun's trigger pull.

And as one other poster mentioned he was incensed that Colt even went cheapy on the rear sight as it has no positive detents, only a continue rotation so you have to guess how much windage or elevation you are trying to achieve. Is not that kind of challenge just loads of fun on a $1500 pistol which has a crappier rear sight than some revolvers costing almost half as much (sarcasm).

Reality is you pay out the rectum and the New Python, and it's not anymore accurate or has any better workmanship or has any better single action trigger pull than revolvers costing way less money. You pay for the Colt name and Colt laughs all the way to the bank.

That is the honest to gosh real truth about this Turkey of a pistol.
 
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The New Python is a total rip off and an insult to the buyer. The buyer puts down $1500 and then has to spend another $250 to have the crappy single action trigger pull reduced and the icing on the cake is that after the rework if the owner drops the revolver and it goes off and shoots someone because he had the factory trigger altered he gets sued out of existence. What more could a buyer enjoy when owning an Ersatz Python, sarcasm.

And when you add $250 to $1500 that equals $1,750. I paid $2,000 for "a real" original Python. The point being made that when you get into that kind of money for an Ersatz Python you may as well just buy a "real Python" for a few bucks more as it already has an out of this world single action pull and if it would go off when dropped Colt gets sued, not you, because you never had to alter the gun's trigger pull.

And as one other poster mentioned he was incensed that Colt even went cheapy on the rear sight as it has no positive detents, only a continue rotation so you have to guess how much windage or elevation you are trying to achieve. Is not that kind of challenge just loads of fun on a $1500 pistol which has a crappier rear sight than some revolvers costing almost half as much (sarcasm).

Reality is you pay out the rectum and the New Python, and it's not anymore accurate or has any better workmanship or has any better single action trigger pull than revolvers costing way less money. You pay for the Colt name and Colt laughs all the way to the bank.

That is the honest to gosh real truth about this Turkey of a pistol.
You know next to nothing about the new Python. By your own admission, you handled one in a store and handed it back to the guy behind the counter. That's pretty much the extent of your "experience" with it. You've never fired the first round through one and never have compared it head to head with any other revolver. On the Colt forum, you insisted it had a MIM trigger and hammer, and it does not. Here in this thread, you said it has a 2-piece barrel, and it does not. Yet everytime the words "new Colt Python" are uttered, you go out of your way to tell everyone how much it sucks, how "overpriced and overrated" it is. Fact is, you know nearly nothing about the "honest to gosh real truth" as you have demonstrated yourself.

I just looked, and there are fully 30 revolvers in S&W's lineup that have at least the same retail price as the Python. 17 of them are priced at $100 or more than the Python. 10 of them are in .357 mag, competing directly with the Python. Of those 10 .357 mags, 4 of them are at $100 or higher retail price than the Python. Real world, you don't have to pay MSRP. The Python can be had for considerably less than $1500. Perusing GB, you can get them all day for $1300. Outside of GB, if you shop around, you can get one for $1200. I've seen them as low as $1100. So, they are priced in line with where other premium US made revolvers are priced. Yet, they are better finished and fit than competing revolvers by a considerable degree. If you look at material costs alone, the stainless Python is made of 17-4PH, which is about 20% more expensive than the 410 and 416 stainless that Smiths are made from, and 17-4 H900 has nearly twice the tensile and yield strength of 400 series stainless. The Python is a much stronger revolver that can take a steady diet of hotter loads and last longer. If you compare just the hammers and triggers alone, those parts on the Python are machined vs. MIM'd or cast in all its competitors. The average manufacturing facility has about $200 - $300/ hour shop overhead rate, so the Python easily has $150 or so more cost tied up in producing those two parts alone vs MIM parts, just based on shop time, before you factor in the increased raw material cost and the greater expense and machine time to produce the vented 1-pc machined barrel and the more extensive polishing time. Time is money. It costs more to produce a Python than it does its competitors, and that cost is passed on to the consumer. Whether or not you personally value those things doesn't change the fact it is simply more costly to make. Still, the gun isn't any more expensive than a higher end Smith, and that's a fact you can easily verify.

Declaring that a Python must be overpriced and overrated by comparing it to the price of a Taurus is a lot like being shocked that a Ford Raptor is way more expensive than a Nissan Frontier. It becomes immediately obvious why with 10 seconds of handling. Better made stuff out of better materials always costs more.

I get it, the SA trigger pull is mediocre. We can thank the commie states for that. I don't think it's as bad as you proclaim it to be, but opinions vary. I've seen worse. It's easily improved. I paid exactly nothing to improve mine which is now 2lbs, and that took me literally 15 minutes maybe. It is super easy to do if you know what to do. Other people value the DA trigger the most in a DA revolver. In that respect, the Python's DA trigger pull is superior to all of its US made competitors, way better in fact. It is around 3 lbs lighter and smoother in DA than any other revolver it competes directly against. People who own one typically think its DA pull is superior to the legacy Python, but that's subjective. It's close enough that it is a tough call. On average it has the same pull weight as a legacy Python. Smoothness and feel is likewise subjective, but the pull weight is a measurable thing. and I've measured it. Because unlike you, I own a Python as well as all the revolvers you've discussed except a Taurus. But again, if you cannot see why the Python costs more than a Ruger or Taurus, then you obviously aren't trying to understand it and aren't the intended customer. And that's fine, but you sure are adamant about your criticism of a gun you've never fired the first round out of and know very little about.

If I buy any new gun, I am more often than not unsatisfied with the out of the box trigger pull. If I buy a new Smith, the SA pull is usually ok but not great at around 4.5lb out of the box, and the DA pull, while relatively smooth, is usually 12-13 lb out of the box. I will always without fail change that unless I am buying a collectible gun that I want to remain 100% as it came from the factory. I personally accept that I will do customization mods to most any gun I buy at any price. But that's me. As icing on the cake, the Colt doesn't have the dreaded internal lock hole as most new Smiths do.

The legal liability argument is pretty ridiculous and quite the absurd stretch as a talking point. If someone is that worried about hypothetical liability scenarios like that, then maybe guns aren't their thing and they should stick to stamp collecting. Hypothetically, you could be sued for anything. If you modify any gun, you could technically be sued with your extremely unlikely imaginary scenario playing out. Even a Python with the dreaded "Cali bump" removed from the hammer has a much more generous SA sear notch than the 0.004" factory SA sear notch in every Smith, and thus the Python is still less likely to have SA push-off than any Smith is for that reason. And that all assumes you're running around being careless with a revolver left cocked in SA. Carry the gun with the hammer down and you eliminate that ridiculous concern. And your "Colt gets sued, not you" comment... wow! Anyone can get sued for anything, or even for nothing. Absurd to the extreme!

If one is concerned about voiding the warranty by doing the work on the SA trigger yourself, you can send only your Python trigger and hammer to Heffron Precision, a certified Colt warranty center. They can do the mod to your parts and have it back to you in 2 weeks for $250 and doing so does not void your warranty. Added to a $1300 revolver, you now have spent $1550, still in line with and in several cases less money than a high end Smith. And generally legacy Pythons in good to excellent condition go for $2500 - $3500, not $2000.

Yes, the rear sight sucks. I think the rear sight on a Smith sucks too, because I've had the retention nut on the windage screw of Smith rear sights vibrate off and get lost, and I've broken the thin blades. The Colt rear sight is no less usable than the factory Smith sight. I personally change both to aftermarket replacements before I fire the first round out of either; the Colt to a Wilson, the Smith to either a Bowen Rough Country or DL Sports. I accept that as the upfront cost of getting what I want, but again, that's me. No matter which revolver you buy, you kinda have to accept that some feature of it sucks and either choose to live with the suckage or change it. I'm perfectly able to change these things myself and I don't fret over a couple Benjamins needed to buy an aftermarket part or two. Everyone values different things, so the things you think are important aren't universally held as truths any more than any other person's opinion. They are all mass-produced products that have good points and bad points.

Accuracy-wise, at least my samples of Python and Anaconda will outshoot all my other revolvers except for one of my Dan Wessons and maybe my 1950s Smith K22.

From the standpoint of an owner of Colt, Smith, and Ruger revolvers, as well as other brands, I am of the opinion that the current production Python and Anaconda are the best made, highest quality revolvers you can buy today for under $3k. That's subjective opinion, but it is an opinion based on first hand experience and ownership, not speculation.
 
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You know next to nothing about the new Python. By your own admission, you handled one in a store and handed it back to the guy behind the counter. That's pretty much the extent of your "experience" with it. You've never fired the first round through one and never have compared it head to head with any other revolver. On the Colt forum, you insisted it had a MIM trigger and hammer, and it does not. Here in this thread, you said it has a 2-piece barrel, and it does not. Yet everytime the words "new Colt Python" are uttered, you go out of your way to tell everyone how much it sucks, how "overpriced and overrated" it is. Fact is, you know nearly nothing about the "honest to gosh real truth" as you have demonstrated yourself.

I just looked, and there are fully 30 revolvers in S&W's lineup that have at least the same retail price as the Python. 17 of them are priced at $100 or more than the Python. 10 of them are in .357 mag, competing directly with the Python. Of those 10 .357 mags, 4 of them are at $100 or higher retail price than the Python. Real world, you don't have to pay MSRP. The Python can be had for considerably less than $1500. Perusing GB, you can get them all day for $1300. Outside of GB, if you shop around, you can get one for $1200. I've seen them as low as $1100. So, they are priced in line with where other premium US made revolvers are priced. Yet, they are better finished and fit than competing revolvers by a considerable degree. If you look at material costs alone, the stainless Python is made of 17-4PH, which is about 20% more expensive than the 410 and 416 stainless that Smiths are made from, and 17-4 H900 has nearly twice the tensile and yield strength of 400 series stainless. The Python is a much stronger revolver that can take a steady diet of hotter loads and last longer. If you compare just the hammers and triggers alone, those parts on the Python are machined vs. MIM'd or cast in all its competitors. The average manufacturing facility has about $200 - $300/ hour shop overhead rate, so the Python easily has $150 or so more cost tied up in producing those two parts alone vs MIM parts, just based on shop time, before you factor in the increased raw material cost and the greater expense and machine time to produce the vented 1-pc machined barrel and the more extensive polishing time. Time is money. It costs more to produce a Python than it does its competitors, and that cost is passed on to the consumer. Whether or not you personally value those things doesn't change the fact it is simply more costly to make. Still, the gun isn't any more expensive than a higher end Smith, and that's a fact you can easily verify.

Declaring that a Python must be overpriced and overrated by comparing it to the price of a Taurus is a lot like being shocked that a Ford Raptor is way more expensive than a Nissan Frontier. It becomes immediately obvious why with 10 seconds of handling. Better made stuff out of better materials always costs more.

I get it, the SA trigger pull is mediocre. We can thank the commie states for that. I don't think it's as bad as you proclaim it to be, but opinions vary. I've seen worse. It's easily improved. I paid exactly nothing to improve mine which is now 2lbs, and that took me literally 15 minutes maybe. It is super easy to do if you know what to do. Other people value the DA trigger the most in a DA revolver. In that respect, the Python's DA trigger pull is superior to all of its US made competitors, way better in fact. It is around 3 lbs lighter and smoother in DA than any other revolver it competes directly against. People who own one typically think its DA pull is superior to the legacy Python, but that's subjective. It's close enough that it is a tough call. On average it has the same pull weight as a legacy Python. Smoothness and feel is likewise subjective, but the pull weight is a measurable thing. and I've measured it. Because unlike you, I own a Python as well as all the revolvers you've discussed except a Taurus. But again, if you cannot see why the Python costs more than a Ruger or Taurus, then you obviously aren't trying to understand it and aren't the intended customer. And that's fine, but you sure are adamant about your criticism of a gun you've never fired the first round out of and know very little about.

If I buy any new gun, I am more often than not unsatisfied with the out of the box trigger pull. If I buy a new Smith, the SA pull is usually ok but not great at around 4.5lb out of the box, and the DA pull, while relatively smooth, is usually 12-13 lb out of the box. I will always without fail change that unless I am buying a collectible gun that I want to remain 100% as it came from the factory. I personally accept that I will do customization mods to most any gun I buy at any price. But that's me.

The legal liability argument is pretty ridiculous and quite the absurd stretch as a talking point. If someone is that worried about hypothetical liability scenarios like that, then maybe guns aren't their thing and they should stick to stamp collecting. Hypothetically, you could be sued for anything. If you modify any gun, you could technically be sued with your extremely unlikely imaginary scenario playing out. Even a Python with the dreaded "Cali bump" removed from the hammer has a much more generous SA sear notch than the 0.004" factory SA sear notch in every Smith, and thus the Python is still less likely to have SA push-off than any Smith is for that reason. And that all assumes you're running around being careless with a revolver left cocked in SA. Carry the gun with the hammer down and you eliminate that ridiculous concern. And your "Colt gets sued, not you" comment... wow! Anyone can get sued for anything, or even for nothing. Absurd to the extreme!

If one is concerned about voiding the warranty by doing the work on the SA trigger yourself, you can send only your Python trigger and hammer to Heffron Precision, a certified Colt warranty center. They can do the mod to your parts and have it back to you in 2 weeks for $250 and doing so does not void your warranty. Added to a $1300 revolver, you now have spent $1550, still in line with and in several cases less money than a high end Smith. And generally legacy Pythons in good to excellent condition go for $2500 - $3500, not $2000.

Yes, the rear sight sucks. I think the rear sight on a Smith sucks too, because I've had the retention nut on the windage screw of Smith rear sights vibrate off and get lost, and I've broken the thin blades. The Colt rear sight is no less usable than the factory Smith sight. I personally change both to aftermarket replacements before I fire the first round out of either; the Colt to a Wilson, the Smith to either a Bowen Rough Country or DL Sports. I accept that as the upfront cost of getting what I want, but again, that's me.

Accuracy-wise, at least my samples of Python and Anaconda will outshoot all my other revolvers except for one of my Dan Wessons and maybe my 1950s Smith K22.

From the standpoint of an owner of Colt, Smith, and Ruger revolvers, as well as other brands, I am of the opinion that the current production Python and Anaconda are the best made, highest quality revolvers you can buy today for under $3k. That's subjective opinion, but it is an opinion based on first hand experience and ownership, not speculation.
Very good post. It's worthwhile to read a post from someone who actually owns a new Python and has experience shooting it.
 
Yes, absolutely. Out of the box, my new Python's SA pull was 5.5 lbs. After about 15 minutes of careful stoning with medium, fine, and extra fine stones, using Dykem blue to show me where and how much metal I was removing, mine now has a 2.5 lb SA pull. Out of the box, mine had an 8.5lb DA pull, which is dang near perfect. I polished the trigger sear ledge where it contacts the hammer DA strut lightly, and polished the side of the transfer bar and the contact points of the rebound lever. This further reduced the DA pull on mine down to 7.5 lbs. If you have done trigger jobs before, it is SUPER easy; you just remove the little "hook" Colt machined into the SA notch on the hammer that was put there to pass the stupid drop safety test the commie states require to sell guns there.

Opinions vary, but to me and most who own the new Python, the consensus is that the DA pull is better on the new Python than the legacy Python because it is about the same pull weight, but lacks the stacking at the end of the pull found in the legacy Python. However, some shooters like to stage their DA trigger pulls, so it's a matter of what you like. But, the DA pull out of the box is much lighter than S&W double action out of the box... although changing the pull weight is much easier to correct on a S&W, with the availability of aftermarket springs.

The legacy Python is a beautifully made revolver, but is overly complex internally and gets out of time if you do a lot of rapid DA shooting because the hand is length-dependent and eventually gets peened on the end after repeatedly slamming into the ratchets, unlike a S&W hand which is width-dependent for timing. I've been told that installing an overtravel screw onto the trigger solves this. The new style Python still has a length-dependent dual-nose hand just like the original to achieve the so-called "bank vault lockup." The other issue is the more complex cylinder stop bolt arrangement on the legacy Python and how it interacts with the rebound bar, and the complex hammer stop safety linkage assy.

The lockwork on the new Python is much more simplified with fewer parts that are less dependent on the interaction of other parts, easier to work on, and the parts are made of better, stronger materials. For example, on the stainless version, the hammer and trigger on the new Python is made of machined from bar stock, 420HC through-hardened stainless. It's the same material often used for knife blades. The frame, barrel, cylinder, and yoke are made of 17-4 PH, so the new Python is WAY stronger and more corrosion-resistant than the old Python. I'm assuming the blued version is made of 4140 or similar chrome moly steel in order to take the bluing. The new Python uses a simpler S&W style cylinder stop (or in Colt language, "bolt"), which is much less likely to get out of time than the legacy Python's "seesaw" lever-style bolt that is actuated by the rebound lever. The old style had a hammer block safety, the new style has a rebound bar. There are MIM parts in the new Python - the rebound bar, hammer stirrup, transfer bar, and cylinder latch are MIM. The hammer and trigger are again machined from bar stock.

The new Python has a recessed crown unlike the old Python. The front sight on the new is a quick change style with a simple set screw, vs the pinned front sight on the old Python. The barrel on the new Python is 1-piece, same as the old Python. The old Python had a slightly longer, knurled hammer spur, the new has a simpler serrated spur. Old Python had a serrated backstrap, and it's smooth on the new. The old one had a cylinder stop lug on the lower corner of the cylinder window, the new doesn't have it and doesn't require it. The new trigger has a more open curve to it vs the old. The new Pytnon has a thicker top strap than the old. The new Python's finish isn't quite as polished as the old, but it is still way more polished than any other competing revolver except for a Manurhin MR73. It is quite nice, in fact. The new blued Pythons are almost but not quite at the same level as the legacy "royal blue," but the newer blue formulas produce a darker, blacker hue than the old finish with more bluish hue.

The rear sight sucks swamp water. But an outstanding Wilson Combat rear sight is only $114, and is easy to install. You simply drive out the existing roll pin and unscrew the elevation screw on the factory sight, position the new sight in place with the elevation spring captured underneath it and start the elevation screw just enough to contain the spring. Then drive the roll pin back in to hold it in place and turn the elevation screw down where you need it. The Wilson sight is much more robust and has click-adjust elevation and windage.

All considered, as a pure shooter, I think the new Python is a much better revolver. It's stronger, less problematic, out of superior materials, and on average, shooters report at least equal if not superior accuracy levels as the old Python. The new Python looks almost identical to the old, having essentially the same overall design. Bottom line, if you want a shooter, the new Python is better in almost every way. If you're a collector, the old Python is your huckleberry.
wow thank you so much for the ultra detailed explanations
While I've done it for my 1911s, I have yet to fully disassemble a revolver. But in due time (I need to build a 1911 first), I'll tackle the revolver too and certainly will use your post as inspiration. thanks again
 
wow thank you so much for the ultra detailed explanations
While I've done it for my 1911s, I have yet to fully disassemble a revolver. But in due time (I need to build a 1911 first), I'll tackle the revolver too and certainly will use your post as inspiration. thanks again
You bet my friend. There are some really good, detailed videos on YT showing disassembly and how the thing works. I believe the best ones I've seen were put out by a channel named Colter Brog. Just type "2020 Python Colter Brog" and you will see them. He goes into more detail than most. He also compares the Python to S&W lockwork.
 
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