New Extractor - Same Problem M&P9 2.0

[nanney1]

M&P9 M2.0 4.25". I experienced 4 -5 failures to extract in the first 350 rounds. Sent it back to S&W for 3 weeks and they replaced the extractor. Two weeks ago, I took it to the range and fired 100 rounds of WWB 115 grain with no problems.

This week I took 150 rounds of Magtech 124grain. I fired 144 trouble free rounds, but round 145 stuck in the chamber after firing. Locked up. Removed the shell and the last five rounds fired without issue.

So, S&W put in a new extractor. What could be the problem???

 

[Bozz10mm]

Since you fired almost 250 rounds without a problem, and fired some rounds after the round hung in the chamber, I would shoot it some more and see if maybe it was just that one bad round of ammo.

 

[nanney1]

Since you fired almost 250 rounds without a problem, and fired some rounds after the round hung in the chamber, I would shoot it some more and see if maybe it was just that one bad round of ammo.

Hope that's the case. I shoot this pistol better than anything I've owned or tried. I plan to shoot this pistol in IDPA and local matches at my range. I really don't want to send it back again.

 

[dla]

Get or make yourself a bronze/stainless chamber brush and use it. Leave a light film of oil.
Imo of course.

 

[nanney1]

Get or make yourself a bronze/stainless chamber brush and use it. Leave a light film of oil.
Imo of course.

Can you give a little more detail as to what you're describing here?

 

[Rastoff]

He's telling you to scrub your chamber thoroughly. Then to leave a light film of oil behind. I'm not convinced that the film of oil is necessary, but it won't hurt.

I agree that this instance is most likely just that one round. Because it locked up solid, that tells us the extractor is working and the round got stuck in the chamber.

Clean the chamber, go shoot more. Report back.

 

[dla]

He's telling you to scrub your chamber thoroughly. Then to leave a light film of oil behind. I'm not convinced that the film of oil is necessary, but it won't hurt.

I agree that this instance is most likely just that one round. Because it locked up solid, that tells us the extractor is working and the round got stuck in the chamber.

Clean the chamber, go shoot more. Report back.

Thank you for translating

I've noticed that my M&P40 2.0 Compact likes to crud up the chamber - I don't know why. A bore snake or chamber brush takes care of it.

 

[nanney1]

Used a Hoppes 9mm bore brush - don't know what it's made of - on it last night.

Shot my first IDPA match today with the M&P. 99 rounds without issue. Brought it home, cleaned it and used the bore brush again, superstitious now.

Fun match. Will do it again next month.

 

[LoneStarWings]

I had a 4.25" 9mm 2.0 that did the same type of thing.....was failing to extract randomly once every 75-150 rounds with all kinds of ammo even after all kinds of cleaning, including extractor removal and deep cleaning of the claw. It was very frustrating, since I was using the gun for IDPA and it cost be dearly at several matches, because clearing that type of malfunction can easily take 5 seconds plus a penalty for a dropped magazine.

Like you, I sent mine back and they replaced the extractor. I have since fired 807 round through it (without cleaning at all) and it has not had any problems.

The only solutions in my opinion are to keep sending it back, try the apex failure resistant 2.0 extractor, or sell it. Personally I would see if it happens 2 more times and send it back to S&W again (3 strikes and yer out).

 

[nanney1]

If it happens again, I'll be debating what to do. It is my favorite gun to date, my most accurate, best feeling, best shooting pistol. Hopefully, the last problem was ammo related. We'll see.

Plenty of other people shoot many, many different pistols in the same or different calibers than I do with this one. So, my love for this pistol can surely be displaced.

 

[RUT]

On both my M&P's I replaced the stock extractors with those from Apex. They were easily replaced and I did them myself.

 

[kilroy2721]

One of the first things that I do with any of my M&P's is put an Apex extractor in.

 

[nanney1]

One of the first things that I do with any of my M&P's is put an Apex extractor in.

Why? Are M&P extractors known to have problems? I assumed the issue I had was a rarity.

 

[WR Moore]

Some people just aren't happy with a gun till they've "improved" it with aftermarket parts. The purveyers are thrilled to sell them, some may actually have some real world benefit. Many merely fill a perceived "need". Check out parking lots for fancy wheels as an example.

The very occasional bad part isn't exactly unknown for virtually any product. Shoot it till it breaks or you run out of money for ammo. FWIW, while I was still working we had X00 first production run M&Ps with zero extractor problems.

 

[Rastoff]

Why? Are M&P extractors known to have problems? I assumed the issue I had was a rarity.

The very early M&Ps had an issue with the extractors breaking. This was fixed in the second year of production. What you're experiencing isn't common.

 

[nanney1]

Happened again. Went to the range this morning and shot 100 rounds. Experienced 2 failures to extract. So, 4-5 failures to extract in the first 350 rounds before I sent it back to S&W where they replaced the extractor.

Since it has been back, I've experienced 3 failures in 450 rounds.

I can send it back, and be without the pistol for 4 weeks and hope they fix it this time. Or, I can sell it at the pawn shop and be done with this pistol. I'm definitely leaning toward ditching it.

 

[RUT]

Apex extractor.....

Details

 

[Doug M.]

And different ammo.

 

[swsig]

Happened again. Went to the range this morning and shot 100 rounds. Experienced 2 failures to extract. So, 4-5 failures to extract in the first 350 rounds before I sent it back to S&W where they replaced the extractor.

Since it has been back, I've experienced 3 failures in 450 rounds.

I can send it back, and be without the pistol for 4 weeks and hope they fix it this time. Or, I can sell it at the pawn shop and be done with this pistol. I'm definitely leaning toward ditching it.

Aargh. I feel your pain. My 1.0 Shield 9 suffered from similar FTE problems. I sent it back to S&W, and it was returned unrepaired as they determined that everything was OK. The FTEs continued. Around 5,000 rounds, I'd had 27 FTEs and 4 failures to feed. At that point I decided that while having failures at the range was annoying, I could live with them. What I couldn't live with was having a single failure with self-defense ammo. I then began to test various brands of high quality SD rounds to see if I could find one that functioned 100% in this ammo-picky Shield. I set a high standard: a round would have to fire perfectly a minimum of 200 consecutive times before I would consider carrying it.

After shooting many rounds of many brands (kind of fun, actually), I discovered two SD rounds that function perfectly with my Shield. The first is Hornady Critical Duty 135g +P. To date, I have shot 362 of these with no failures, and these are what I carry. The other perfect SD round is Federal HST 147g. To date, I have shot 225 of these with no failures. It's always good to have a backup round. And to demonstrate how ammo-picky my Shield is, it absolutely choked on HST 147's cousin, HST 124g +P.

Bottom line: Try different brands of ammo, concentrating on those all-important self-defense rounds that absolutely must function perfectly. I'll bet you can find at least one.

As to the claim that M&P extractors are junk and should immediately be replaced by Apex as soon as possible, that has not been my experience. I have two other M&P semi-autos, a 1.0 40 compact, and a Shield 45. They have nearly 21,000 rounds (yes, twenty-one thousand) between them with exactly 1 (one) FTE. Even with my cranky Shield 9, I suspect that the culprit is not the extractor, but a wobbly ejector. I pointed this out to S&W when it was sent back, and they said the the wobble was within spec.

If you otherwise like your M&P, try experimenting with different brands of ammo, emphasizing the all-important self-defense rounds. It's educational and fun.

Good Luck!

 

[nanney1]

swsig, if I only shot it at the range, I could live with it. But I bought it with the plan of using in matches. I watched someone experience the same failure three times in an IDPA match last weekend and it killed his time.

 

[Rastoff]

I can send it back, and be without the pistol for 4 weeks and hope they fix it this time. Or, I can sell it at the pawn shop and be done with this pistol. I'm definitely leaning toward ditching it.

Wait. I had a similar experience. Let me tell you...

I bought a S&W 1911. It would have a failure to feed about once every 150 rounds or so. I called S&W and they told me it shouldn't do this. I sent it in for them to fix.

Got it back and had the same problem again. I called them again and they told me to send it in again. I did.

Got it back the second time and it went about 250 before it had another fail to feed.

At this point I had put about 1,800 rounds through the gun trying to figure this out. I called S&W again, but the conversation went a little differently this time. I told them that I had already sent it in twice. I asked how many times I had to send it in to resolve this issue. They agreed that it wasn't normal and that I shouldn't have to send it in over and over. So, they gave me three choices:

1. I could send it in again for repair.
2. I could send it in and exchange it for another gun.
3. I could send it in and they would refund my money.

I took option 3. It took about three weeks from the time I sent it back, but I received a check for the full purchase price including tax. You can read about my ordeal here: http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-...rounds-frustration-solved.html?highlight=1911


So, rather than just ditch it, try running the process. Yes, it might take some time, but I really believe that S&W will do their best to make it right.

 

[swsig]

swsig, if I only shot it at the range, I could live with it. But I bought it with the plan of using in matches. I watched someone experience the same failure three times in an IDPA match last weekend and it killed his time.

Oops. I missed that part. Never mind. If I was in your place, I'd dump it. I'd like to be able to advise you about what to get as a replacement, but as I noted above, my two most reliable, FTE-free, high round-count pistols are both M&Ps! In close second place is my SIG P320 compact, with only two FTEs in 9,500 rounds. It is the only semi-auto I own where I've never had a failure to feed by limp-wristing it while shooting one-handed. Current P320s, with the recent trigger upgrade, also have significantly better factory triggers than M&Ps, so you might start by looking at P320s first.

 

[dla]

M&P9 M2.0 4.25". I experienced 4 -5 failures to extract in the first 350 rounds. Sent it back to S&W for 3 weeks and they replaced the extractor. Two weeks ago, I took it to the range and fired 100 rounds of WWB 115 grain with no problems.

This week I took 150 rounds of Magtech 124grain. I fired 144 trouble free rounds, but round 145 stuck in the chamber after firing. Locked up. Removed the shell and the last five rounds fired without issue.

So, S&W put in a new extractor. What could be the problem???

Please post a picture of the extractor & breech face before cleaning.

 

[nanney1]

Already cleaned it.

 

[dla]

Already cleaned it.

Did you clean behind the extractor?

 

[nanney1]

Started with a toothbrush. Then took a t-shirt patch and grooved it several times. Clean it after every range session. That's just what I do.

 

[Rastoff]

Started with a toothbrush. Then took a t-shirt patch and grooved it several times. Clean it after every range session. That's just what I do.

This is a good practice, but shouldn't be necessary. An extractor should work fine for a couple thousand rounds without a serious cleaning. They do get dirt in there, but the action of the round slipping behind the hook should keep it clean enough to function properly. That is until it gets really dirty.

 

[nanney1]

It's never been dirty. Gave it a quick clean and lube before I ever fired it. And cleaned it after every range session. Never more than 200 rounds per session. Probably at around 850-900 rounds at this point.

 

[Rastoff]

Yeah, you have an issue. Without being able to see the gun in person, we can't really say anything more. 900 rounds shouldn't be enough to build up enough carbon/dirt to cause the extractor to fail.

The ball's in your court. Are you going to send it back to S&W again? I think they deserve at least one more crack at it.

 

[dla]

Started with a toothbrush. Then took a t-shirt patch and grooved it several times. Clean it after every range session. That's just what I do.

That's not behind the extractor. You're cleaning out the extractor claw, which is good, but I'm concerned that you have crud/carbon built-up behind the extractor. You can get at it with a dental pick - you don't have to remove it.