New indoor range, no handloads ?

How do you figure out which bullets are yours in the trap?

chief38 said:
It's kind of hard to believe they expect one NOT to pick up his own property! Even if you buy their ammo, once you pay for it- it's YOUR property! I'd like to see someone sue them for not allowing the retrieval of ones own property! It's bad enough they force you to buy their ammo - it's sadder that once you buy it they are telling you they are stealing it back!
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Their range, their rules. I have several brass catchers for semiautos.
Recently I have been shooting only 22s.
 
pawngal said:
Really??? You would expect to be able to call a ceasefire to go past the firing line to pick up "your" brass? If I was paying an hourly lane rental I surely wouldn't appreciate that going against my time.
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Nope, but a lot of it doesn't go past the firing line. Most of my semi-autos throw the brass somewhere around my 4 o'clock - don't yours? That means that MOST of it ends up well behind the firing line.

From what I'm understanding these ranges don't even ALLOW you to pick up your own brass that is behind the firing line. Basically if it hits the ground it is THEIRS.

For me that one is total B.S. and a non-starter. I paid for it so it is MINE. If I had to shoot someplace like that it would be all steel and aluminum cases just as a "screw them".
 
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RANGES

Well like the man said, their range, their rules. Just dont use them. I CAN tell you this, none of my handholds/reloads, have ever hurt anyone, much less blown up any guns. I can't say the same for FACTORY ammo, and high dollar RWS ammo at that. A Colt Trooper is hard to blow up, but a member did just that with his factory ammo. Lucky no one was hurt, but it also blew a hole in the metal roof covering the firing line. :rolleyes: Again, if their rules don't appeal to you, dont go. Seems simple enough to me. :p

Then there this:

OUCH! - GIF on Imgur
 
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BC38 said:
Nope, but a lot of it doesn't go past the firing line. Most of my semi-autos throw the brass somewhere around my 4 o'clock - don't yours? That means that MOST of it ends up well behind the firing line.

From what I'm understanding these ranges don't even ALLOW you to pick up your own brass that is behind the firing line. Basically if it hits the ground it is THEIRS.

For me that one is total B.S. and a non-starter. I paid for it so it is MINE. If I had to shoot someplace like that it would be all steel and aluminum cases just as a "screw them".
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A lot of it depends on how the shooting bays are configured, the gun and the shooters stance. Also, how can you maintain situation awareness when you are bent over or on the floor?

I'm mainly a revolver shooter and at a new to me range I have always asked if I could keep my brass, always been "no problem" just empty into your range bag.

At many ranges you would never get past check in with steel or aluminum cased ammo.

If you don't like the rules, go some where else.
 
The indoor range i hit doesnt allow reloads but we can use the 'new' ammo we bring in. I dont load my own so not a big deal and i can understand the liability issues. But to be honest even if i did reload, their house their rules.
And as being in the north and refusing to stand outside in snow and cold to shoot outdoors lol; to keep enjoying my hobby I have no problem following their rules anyway.
 
I simply will not shoot there if the will not allow reloads or brass retrieval and I do not buy the lawyer bs. Show me a case where someone with reloads was sued. Likely rarer than hens teeth. Indoor range in the town I work in allows them. Too many rules for me I guess. I just buy my own land and build my own range or shoot at an existing outdoor range. I shot 2 or 3 hundred rounds today and that gets quite expensive with factory 357 magnum rounds
 
Back in the late 80's or early 90's, there was an indoor range near me. I was a caster & reloader before I bought my first handgun, so all I had was reloads - of the highest quality.

They tried the "we keep the brass" thing and I told them they'd have to take it from me. Then I started using a Sharpe to mark the heads, and again dared them to take them. Revolvers don't kick brass, I put it back in the case. I can not abide a thief.

After a time and many others standing up to them, they rescinded their baloney.

I suppose that even with those of us that keep our brass, there was an abundance of it for them to recycle and it just doesn't pay to pee in someone's Wheaties.
 
Muss Muggins said:
Your statement was "property." I was merely pointing out that you're willing to abandon the lead and copper, half of your property that you leave on the deck. People make choices . . .
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I believe you're confusing who posted what Muss.
I never used the term "property" - that was Chief38.

The point I was making is that NOBODY has even hinted at wanting to recover their lead, only the brass. So your comment, while either snarky or amusing (depending on one's perspective), isn't really pertinent to the discussion about recovering the brass that the shooter has paid for.
 
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pawngal said:
A lot of it depends on how the shooting bays are configured, the gun and the shooters stance. Also, how can you maintain situation awareness when you are bent over or on the floor?

I'm mainly a revolver shooter and at a new to me range I have always asked if I could keep my brass, always been "no problem" just empty into your range bag.

At many ranges you would never get past check in with steel or aluminum cased ammo.

If you don't like the rules, go some where else.
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Maybe true for some. Like I said, most of MY semis throw the brass to somewhere around 4 o'clock, so most of my brass ends up behind the firing line. The point being that "justification" holds no water for stopping me from collecting MOST of my brass since it is behind the firing line. I'm NOT advocating letting anyone go past the firing line to retrieve brass.

Personally I really don't worry much about maintaining "situational awareness" for the few seconds at a time that I stoop to pick up some brass at the indoor range - anymore than I do when at the outdoor range. It isn't as if someone is likely to come to a gun range to perpetrate a mass shooting - those nutjobs virtually always choose "gun free zones". A shooting range where people are armed and prepared to shoot back is about the last place you need to worry about being situationally aware of threats. Picking up my brass doesn't detract from safety either. I can pay attention to other's gun handling just fine and still pick up my spent cases.

I've been to more than a few ranges and never seen any that restrict use of aluminum or steel cased ammo. What would be their rationale for that? That they can't make money stealing your brass? I have seen ones that won't allow steel or steel cored projectiles but not cases. Almost all prohibit steel in the projectiles - to protect their backstop. Since you're obviously familiar with some ranges where their rules prohibit the use of steel or aluminum cases, can you share what justification they have given for that rule?

Regardless of why, if they insisted on confiscating my brass, and won't allow non-brass cased ammo then they wouldn't be getting my business anyway. I think I pretty clearly stated that earlier - that I indeed WOULD be going somewhere else.

If you like places that operate that way, then more power to ya'. I have no more objection to you giving them your money AND your brass than you do with my refusal to give them mine.
 
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Jeff423 said:
That's one of the ones I described. I belonged there until I moved to St. Charles County.


They had/have a great lunch special if you shot there. I always went down about 11.
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The State used to run a pretty decent outdoor range at the August A. Busch. Memorial Conservation Area. I used it several times and it was well run for the day. I was curious and called. It is still there and recently rebuilt near the original one. August A. Busch Range Hours & Info | MDC Discover Nature
It's worth checking out if you haven't yet.
 
H Richard said:
I only shoot handloads. We have no commercial indoor range in our area, but an outdoor range has mostly all grass, and if I can find 50 % of my 9mm or 380 brass I feel lucky. I often put out an 8'x10' tarp to catch brass, but the different guns don't throw it in the same area.
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Hang our tarp vertically not horizontally, to trap auto brass! Hang it about 2'
to the right of your gun! No lost brass!
 
All of the ranges that are in reasonable driving distance for me forbid reloads, steel case, steel core. Their rules, their insurance companies and license rules.

At least one requires HP, as they got in it with the city about bullets jumping the berm (supposedly, not sure I believe it).

I don't want to spend a fortune on gas or time in traffic, so I abide by the rules at the closest one.
 
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