New M and P ported PC 9mm-WOW ***

[haris1]

Guys, When I saw that Smith is making the M and P with barrel ports, optic ready like their core and with a fast resetting sear,
I had to have it. Its available in 4 inch and 5 inch

It shoots like a house on fire. I shot as fast as I can pull the trigger and never lost the sights!!! I am comfortable with the m and P having shot over 20,000 rounds in competition winning some matches along the way. Its actually gonna save me a bunch of money since I can now sell very plain jane carry guns. I was rotating from this gun to that gun for carry until I found this-my grail carry gun .My magazines loaded with Corbon DPX alternating with Hornady FTX critical defense makes for a formidable defense. The only thing close in stopping power and controlled recoil would be a FN 5.7. I like that one for summer carry. Thats a subject for another thread.

All of you shooting bottom feeders need to check out this new offering.Go on the smith web site and check it out, especially the
video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulCQiM3Wghg

And for those of you already shooting these, lets have some feedback.
When the weather gets nicer , I hope to post videos of me shooting mine!!!

 

[vigil617]

Haris1, it seems largish for concealed carry, but you didn't specify that you carry it that way, only that you carry it. Care to expand on your set-up for this?

It's a nice-looking pistol, too, but I gotta say that the fixed sights detract. Can a lower-profile sight pair be installed (especially if the optics won't be used) without messing up the POA?

Yes, the video showing the testing of the pistol at the Performance Center is impressive. Those guys do a lot of shooting, I'm sure, and controlling muzzle flip for them might have a lot to do with good technique as well as a well-designed pistol. You're an experienced competition shooter, so from that perspective, how manageable do you think these pistols will be for beginner and intermediate shooters?

Thanks for sharing. You're obviously delighted with your M&P, and you sure made me want to look at the video!

 

[haris1]

M and P for concealed carry/ fixed sights low or high?

I will try to address all your concerns vigil617:

I carry this one concealed daily.I use a storng side high ride
desantis OWB holster. Wear a light jacket or long vest to conceal.
I only carry full size guns.

2. The sights are made high so they can cowitness thru an optic.
If you want lower sights, as long as you install a lower front sight to coordinate with the rear sight, it will be fine. I recomment tru glo front and rear. The tritium/fibre optic is great for day or night.I strongly urge you to use the stock sights at first . Then change them to suit you.Both front and back are in dovetails so they are easy to change. I find the tall sights easy to pick up.

3. The video shows some pretty fast shooting and he is hitting plates far away. You will be able to deliver them into a 7 yard target faster than anything else you own in 38,9mm and up!

the following video is 4 guns being shot at an IDPA target to show the reduced recoil from porting. A glock 9mm is one of them. The first two revolvers were 357 and the last 44 magnum, There definitely is a difference!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IA3mWa2HV8&list=UUj79CS3DnPFhOMqiEewMdUA

 

[RevolverDen]

I recently put a deposit down on the M&P Pro 9mm 5" SKU# 178048. Today, however, when I went back to look to add a 1911 to my order and the shop owner saw my other deposit and recommended that I look at a M&P 9mm Performance Center model they just got in instead of the Pro. The model turned out to be the Performance Center Ported C.O.R.E. 5", SKU# 10098. The upgrades alone over the Pro for the little extra cash was all I needed to be swayed to go for the Performance Center M&P C.O.R.E. Model. I think S&W has a real winner with this one!

Tomorrow I am going back to possibly add the SW1911PC I came to look at but ran out out of time today, but that's for another thread.

 

[vigil617]

Thanks for the reply, haris1, and the video comparing the revolvers with the semiauto. It will be interesting to see how the ported PC pistol performs in getting a large volume of fire on target in a short time. I'm also curious whether the 40S&W version will have as positive a set of results, since muzzle flip has traditionally been one of the knocks on the 40 compared to the 9mm.

Did you choose the 9 for any particular reason over the 40? (Not trying to start a caliber war here; just curious).

 

[haris1]

Thanks for the reply, haris1, and the video comparing the revolvers with the semiauto. It will be interesting to see how the ported PC pistol performs in getting a large volume of fire on target in a short time. I'm also curious whether the 40S&W version will have as positive a set of results, since muzzle flip has traditionally been one of the knocks on the 40 compared to the 9mm.

Did you choose the 9 for any particular reason over the 40? (Not trying to start a caliber war here; just curious).

Since the 9mm has less recoil impulse than the 40, I am sure
the ported versions will reduce both but the 40 will always have
more flip and recoil than a 9mm. I own a few 40s and dislike any that are not steel guns since they do kick!! 40 cal has a strange feel in that it is different than a 45acp and more unpleasant. My 40 cal steel guns are heavy enough that the recoil is manageable. One thing to keep in mind about ports and compensators. The recoil reductions are the greatest with light, fast travelling bullets as compared to heavy slow moving ones. In the video I shot 125 grain 357's out of revolvers and the % of recoil reduction is greater than could be accomplished
with a 44 mag revolver shooting 240 grainers.

I am sticking with a 9mm, and with the proper choice of ammunition such as Hornady critical defense,federal hi shok,
corbon DPX, or Speer Gold dot, the 9 is very very effective.

 

[hardluk1]

Work harder on weak hand grip and locking those wrist Iand it won't matter much if its a 9mm or 40 but shoot that ported pistol at night and get flash blinded ! Porting is good for the matchs but not so good for CC .

Get a just legal heavy 40 loads for matchs and there a soft shooter anyhow.

 

[jjbrewst1]

Work harder on weak hand grip and locking those wrist Iand it won't matter much if its a 9mm or 40 but shoot that ported pistol at night and get flash blinded ! Porting is good for the matchs but not so good for CC .



Get a just legal heavy 40 loads for matchs and there a soft shooter anyhow.

That shooting at night and getting flash blinded is bogus. I have never had an issue with any of my Ported guns. Especially the 5" Performance Center 9 and at night.



I love my PC 5" C.O.R.E.

 

[haris1]

That shooting at night and getting flash blinded is bogus. I have never had an issue with any of my Ported guns. Especially the 5" Performance Center 9 and at night.



I love my PC 5" C.O.R.E.

I have to agree with Jim. Actually at night, some ammunition lights up the target so my second shot is right on. There are many low light powders so night blinding is not an issue.

The only issue is that if you shoot from retention(wrist against chest with pistol so close to your body that when you torch off a round you may torch your head. Retention shooting is not an option for ported guns!

 

[6518John]

I wonder what Horace Smith and Daniel B. Wesson would say if they could see and shoot these pistols? They look and, apparently shoot, like they are from 22nd Century. Amazing! Thanks for posting.

 

[10mmauto]

Just curious. What practical reason is there for alternating rounds by manufacturer in individual mags? It isn't like you would be deciding based on target type which round to shoot at which target...

Am I missing something here?

 

[hardluk1]

jjbrewest For you it may depend on the cartridge and load your using. Large slow just enough to meet match level loads in 40 or 45 are ok. But chuck it full of hot heavy 9mm or lighter weight maxed +P defense ammo and you are mistaken . But then again you have shot yours loaded in the real dark not a night match ?? More flash earlier on directed straight up , not just out of the tip of the barrel with a longer burn in a lower 360* . It can flash your pupil like a flash on a camera and cause a dark area in your vision for a few minutes after words. Also the loss of 100fps or more from a 4" barrel. You are spot on about shooting a ported barrel close to your body. Same can be said of revolvers too.

 

[haris1]

Just curious. What practical reason is there for alternating rounds by manufacturer in individual mags? It isn't like you would be deciding based on target type which round to shoot at which target...

Am I missing something here?

I like both of these rounds and by alternating, I feel that the next one may do the job if the previous one falls short. DPX and FTX are two different bullet styles and probably act differently. I have no science behind my decision to do this.
In summer, the difference is not as critical as winter with more layers of clothing and possibly a heavy leather coat so I alternate for winter carry.

 

[haris1]

How fast can the M and P Perf ctr ported 9mm shoot?

As fast as you can pull the trigger!! From 10 to 20 feet ,I can
deliver accurate shots in rapid fire. Under time I can shoot
5 rounds in 1.1 seconds .The first round going off at .35 after the buzzer so thats 5 rounds in 3/4 of a second or 1 every .15 of a second or 400 rounds a minute!! A grease gun will run 350-450 rounds per minute. Watch the 20 second video



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhEEK9sIFjQ&list=UUwoi0Xi_KZV7DcwnwYdNsMg

One added benefit: My M&P shoots dead on to the sights at 10 yards and will shoot a one hole group if you can hold it steady