I suspect there was a little bit of "no lock" in there somewhere.
Could be. I hope he doesn't think that removing the lock would then make the S&W guns worth $1500. I'll keep the lock and pay the current much lower amount.
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Could be. I hope he doesn't think that removing the lock would then make the S&W guns worth $1500. I'll keep the lock and pay the current much lower amount.
Your conclusion only assumes that we're talking about the identical product. We're not.
Comparing original Pythons and new Pythons is like apples and oranges. It's comparing collectable versus shooter grade. It's the same reason a pristine M&P revolver goes for so much more than a NIB current manufacture Model 10.
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I do not believe so at all, some new offerings and some brands get celebrated and lauded. It is however a widespread opinion that Colt is and has been for decades unable to put out anything decent that is worth owning. Then they reanimate the legendary 'Python' and screw it up majorly at every turn of the road and all say: 'See, told you so...' normal reaction I think.
Originally Posted by daglockman: "I would also guess that the introduction of the new snakes will not affect the value of the classic snakes to the serious collector. But I believe that it will shrink the crowd of people that are willing to go the distance just to have an original."
It makes complete sense to me. He is describing two types of Python owners: the serious collectors for who the new one is not an acceptable substitute, and those who wanted an old one and would have "gone the distance" to get one, but now don't have to because they find the new Python to be a cheaper, acceptable substitute.
I'm a member of the first group. There is a third group, of course - guys in the first group who will add a new Python to their gun safe.
It makes complete sense to me. He is describing two types of Python owners: the serious collectors for who the new one is not an acceptable substitute, and those who wanted an old one and would have "gone the distance" to get one, but now don't have to because they find the new Python to be a cheaper, acceptable substitute.
I'm a member of the first group. There is a third group, of course - guys in the first group who will add a new Python to their gun safe.
sigp220.45
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Colt just introduced the new Python THIS MONTH. A few glitches can be expected. They’ll fix it.
This gun is causing such a stir because despite years of saying it would never happen, it happened. And despite wails that it would be a vent-rib King Cobra or not have the classic Python look, it looks great. And despite experts crowing that a Python action could only be assembled by old men in green eye-shades and sleeve garters who are all dead now, the new one apparently has a better action (minus a couple of lemons that will be fixed under warranty).
I don’t remember all this interest when Smith’s current 686 hit the shelves. Man, that thing isn’t even close to the old one.
Maybe I’ll change my mind when I have one in hand. By the time my guy finally gets one in I bet Colt will have addressed their QC issues, though.
I’ll be sure to post it here, warts and all.
This gun is causing such a stir because despite years of saying it would never happen, it happened. And despite wails that it would be a vent-rib King Cobra or not have the classic Python look, it looks great. And despite experts crowing that a Python action could only be assembled by old men in green eye-shades and sleeve garters who are all dead now, the new one apparently has a better action (minus a couple of lemons that will be fixed under warranty).
I don’t remember all this interest when Smith’s current 686 hit the shelves. Man, that thing isn’t even close to the old one.
Maybe I’ll change my mind when I have one in hand. By the time my guy finally gets one in I bet Colt will have addressed their QC issues, though.
I’ll be sure to post it here, warts and all.
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Puller
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Mine has been relatively trouble free. My buddies at the range are always complaining about the muzzle flash, though, and sometimes I forget to leave it on stun when it's on the nightstand.
I'm in the group that wanted a Python. I had one some years ago but had to sell it. I just figured I'd never get another one because I wasn't going to pay the $2-3,000 and up price for one. So I was not even in any of the groups you described as I understand them.
But the new one, even at $1500...that was something I would consider. I don't consider myself to be any kind of collector. I just wanted a Python.
To my mind the new python is closer to the original than vintage Smiths and those made post 1996. Not sure if it’s been mentioned yet, but the new Python’s hammer and trigger are made from bar stock, not MIM.
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bigggbbruce
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For a while, until 2017 IIRC, the custom shop had Brent for a manager. He would go above and beyond to put out some good work.
Then Colt decided they needed to trim costs..
That was meant to be group 3! That's where I am as well. I shoot all my guns and only need one example of each, but I consider the new Python to be something quite different from the old one.
Mine has been relatively trouble free. My buddies at the range are always complaining about the muzzle flash, though, and sometimes I forget to leave it on stun when it's on the nightstand.
Well, Puller. That was like a fresh glass of water while fishing in the swamp! Nice!
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I don’t believe the price will stay at MSRP, much less above MSRP. The excitement of the return of the Python will die down and the price will drop. I’ve still yet to hear or see any reason for the ridiculously high price of the gun. They’re capitalizing on the long gone Python. This new one is not that. The gun looks nice and maybe in a year when I can get one for under a grand Where they belong then MAYBE I will. If it doesn’t drop, I’ll happily go on without a Python 2.0 in my safe. Still don’t see what’s so great about the old ones, much less the copycat that just got released. DOUBLE the price of a new Smith or even a Ruger? Are the twice as good? Do they cost Colt twice as much to make? Of course not. They’re capitalizing on the Python name and figuring people will look at the $1500 price tag and think they’re getting a good deal compared to $3-4000 for a real Python. Which are also not worth that price but at least you have collector value. I’ve seen threads of people who bought later years Pythons right before they stopped making them and saying they didn’t compare to the earlier ones.
And there is no denying this is a real shot in the foot for Colt. A recall on a $1500 gun? Absurd.
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I was just watching this video earlier today. I don't know who to believe. According to Mr. Spitale everything is just peachy and Colt has had only like five revolvers returned. I hope for his sake, this is correct or else he's going to eat his words and maybe even find someone else replacing him as VP at Colt Mfg. But then I saw Hickok45's malfunction and there are a couple of other videos with similar problems. Note to manufacturers - if you are going to send a T&E gun to a guy with 4.71 million subscribers...you'd better make bloody sure that gun is absolutely perfect. Apparently, in this case they didn't.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTtDUkBw1Q4[/ame]
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTtDUkBw1Q4[/ame]
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sigp220.45
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I’m just not hung up on the price. $1500 isn’t that much these days. With a dealer price of $1299 it probably won’t drop much. If it does it means I paid $500 too much to enjoy a great gun for however many years it takes for the price to drop.
Hell, I just paid $838 for my dog’s vet visit to check out a persistent cough. I’m sure the Python will last longer than he does.
Hell, I just paid $838 for my dog’s vet visit to check out a persistent cough. I’m sure the Python will last longer than he does.
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Ok, that was funny! I once spent $1500 on a 15 year old cat. But he was a good cat and well worth the $100 a year before he got sick.
I can afford the gun. I just hate to waste money. And I just don’t see what this gun does that other quality guns from Smith or Ruger don’t. And I don’t like being taken advantage of, either. Which is why I wouldn’t buy a new AR for 2 grand during the last panic. A year later they were going for less than half that.
But enjoy that Python, Sig. hope you get a good one. Be sure to post some pics and a range report.
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Back in my "youth", when I just started collecting and wanted a centerfire revolver, I had the opportunity to try a lot of different platforms owned by other members in my club.
I shot a Python on several occasions. Ended up buying a S&W. Why? I liked it better. Never could see the attraction of a Colt.
My old buddy sold his Python many years ago. OTOH, I still have the Smith.
I shot a Python on several occasions. Ended up buying a S&W. Why? I liked it better. Never could see the attraction of a Colt.
My old buddy sold his Python many years ago. OTOH, I still have the Smith.
BigBill
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Surely doesn’t look good for colt getting back in the revolver market.?
They have a cad system to check if all the parts go together correctly. They can do stress analysis too. From an engineering stand point there not doing there homework. Weren’t these test fired? Disgruntled employees? Did they use old python new parts in the 2020 python? For $1,500 I’ll pass, for $550 I’d pass. Even for free I’d pass for now till it’s fixed in blue.
I’ll stay with my ruger’s and Smith revolvers.
No 357 mag revolver could even come close to my ‘75 python 6”/357. I was making pin point shots at 100 yds. Colt claimed 200 yd accuracy.
I’m saving for a m29, keep on getting side tracked, need to stay focused.
They have a cad system to check if all the parts go together correctly. They can do stress analysis too. From an engineering stand point there not doing there homework. Weren’t these test fired? Disgruntled employees? Did they use old python new parts in the 2020 python? For $1,500 I’ll pass, for $550 I’d pass. Even for free I’d pass for now till it’s fixed in blue.
I’ll stay with my ruger’s and Smith revolvers.
No 357 mag revolver could even come close to my ‘75 python 6”/357. I was making pin point shots at 100 yds. Colt claimed 200 yd accuracy.
I’m saving for a m29, keep on getting side tracked, need to stay focused.
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BigBill
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Back tracking, we shipped 2,000 pythons, guess what 2,000 maybe coming back.
Buying a black eye isn’t the purchers fault. It’s colts black eye.
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A notable theme to many of these posts is the question of whether the $1500 Python is "worth it".
Here is my two cents... In my opinion, there are two main types of gun buyer. First, there are the folks who look at a gun as not much more than a tool, similar to a half inch wrench. They want something functional and reliable, for as little money as possible. Not a lot of emotion involved. These are the guys who buy plastic stocked Savage rifles, Glocks, and basic pump shotguns. Drive sensible mid sized SUV's. Good, reliable tools, all. Probably not a lot of interest in something like the new Python.
Then there are the other folks, the ones for who style, workmanship, and pride of ownership is important. For them, buying a gun is often an emotional descision. The guys who spend considerable money to get exactly what appeals to them. The guys who buy pre-model 27's, classic Winchesters and colts, who's knees get weak when they see figured walnut and polished blueing. The guys who drive tricked out 3/4 ton diesel pick up trucks even though 95% of the time they are just commuting to work.
There is no "right" or "wrong" answer, just depends on the person. It is the people in the second category that Colt has targeted as the Pythons market. Once Colt works out any bugs in the gun, I am sure they will sell a bunch.
Me, I appreciate both views. I carry a Glock. Also have a space set aside inside my safe, next to my Colt SA's and Gold Cups, just waiting for a new blued Python, which will wear fancy walnut grips...
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Here is my two cents... In my opinion, there are two main types of gun buyer. First, there are the folks who look at a gun as not much more than a tool, similar to a half inch wrench. They want something functional and reliable, for as little money as possible. Not a lot of emotion involved. These are the guys who buy plastic stocked Savage rifles, Glocks, and basic pump shotguns. Drive sensible mid sized SUV's. Good, reliable tools, all. Probably not a lot of interest in something like the new Python.
Then there are the other folks, the ones for who style, workmanship, and pride of ownership is important. For them, buying a gun is often an emotional descision. The guys who spend considerable money to get exactly what appeals to them. The guys who buy pre-model 27's, classic Winchesters and colts, who's knees get weak when they see figured walnut and polished blueing. The guys who drive tricked out 3/4 ton diesel pick up trucks even though 95% of the time they are just commuting to work.
There is no "right" or "wrong" answer, just depends on the person. It is the people in the second category that Colt has targeted as the Pythons market. Once Colt works out any bugs in the gun, I am sure they will sell a bunch.
Me, I appreciate both views. I carry a Glock. Also have a space set aside inside my safe, next to my Colt SA's and Gold Cups, just waiting for a new blued Python, which will wear fancy walnut grips...
Larry
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kbm6893
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There have been at least 4 videos so far on YouTube from different channels. Even the video put out by Colt had an issue with the cylinder not turning but nobody caught it at first. Either every one of those guns Mr. Spitale is referring to were shown on YouTube (unlikely. Not everybody takes the time to make a video on YouTube), or Spitale is intentionally being misleading, or he’s uninformed as to the number that have been returned, which is also unacceptable since this was clearly a planned video to address the issue and he should have been prepared. I say he’s downplaying the number to save face. I’m not saying dozens or even hundreds have been returned, but it’s more than 5. I also fail to see how “poor ammo selection” can result in a cylinder not turning.
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