New to appendix carry?

I've been carrying AIWB for near 40 years (off duty mostly and retired). I do carry other methods but in most circumstances AIWB makes most sense and is most practical. I'm 6'+ and 220 so yeah I have a gut now.

I usually use a cheap Galco StownGo, at least I think that's the model. It's not perfect. A sweat guard would be nice. It grabs the belt nicely and when it needs to be lower for more concealment it can be slipped off the belt and onto the pants and it grabs them very well too (jeans anyhow).

My only real complaint is due to the rear sight on the shield having such sharp corners that can poke and scrape my mussel roll in certain circumstances.

I've successfully used and do use other holsters with other guns but the Galcos are economical and do work well.

For most concealed guns and holsters I strongly recommend the following: Whenever the gun is drawn, to holster it, remove the holster, holster the gun, and then place the holstered gun back where you wear it. When carrying a gun with a manual safety I will rarely cheat and engage the safety, holster, check that there's no binding and then disengage the safety. That obviously doesn't apply to 1911 family, etc.
 
AIWB seems to be the current rage for all of the ex-military trainers so it has to be the ultimate doesn't it?

Not for me..........if it works for you then go for it! I don't really care how YOU carry.

Randy

Well, objectively it is the fastest body position to draw from from concealment (and no not IDPA beige shooting vest over an OWB holster concealment) and it positions the weapon such that you are best able to control access to the weapon should you end up tangled up in a fight. So yes there are data driven reasons for its popularity and prevalence.

In fact the video from the recent Texas shooting is a tragic reminder of the limitations of small of the back carry. Had that first gentleman had a faster draw from a more accessible body position, he may still be alive.
 
Big guy here (6'3" 290lbs) and I find the smaller the firearm, the more uncomfortable it is to carry AIWB. Granted, that is the only way I carry, but the sweet spot for me for maximum comfort (I spend about 75% of my day either driving a car or a desk) is something with a 3.5" to 4" barrel. Anything less than 3.5" feels uncomfortable.

My normal EDC is my 2.0 Compact 4" in AWIB RH. Like CB3 stated, the holster and belt are very important to carry comfort, but to a great degree with appendix carry. I have also found that the pants make a difference as well. You want to make sure that the pants fit comfortably with the firearm in place, but you don't want them loose. This took a lot of trial and error for me, but I found pants in the right size that make even carrying my Beretta comfortable.
 
I've experimented (wasted a lot of money) with a lot of different belts for AIWB. In my experience the best belt is The Foundation Belt by Langdon Tactical. It's built specifically for AIWB carry, so it's firm where it needs to be (without being TOO stiff) while also being flexible in the spots where you don't want it to be overly firm. I definitely recommend checking it out:
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I've experimented (wasted a lot of money) with a lot of different belts for AIWB. In my experience the best belt is The Foundation Belt by Langdon Tactical. It's built specifically for AIWB carry, so it's firm where it needs to be (without being TOO stiff) while also being flexible in the spots where you don't want it to be overly firm. I definitely recommend checking it out:
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Oh man I've been needing a new slimmer belt, because mine prints a bit with a holster. This is exactly what I've been looking for. Thank you!
 
Oh man I've been needing a new slimmer belt, because mine prints a bit with a holster. This is exactly what I've been looking for. Thank you!


Yep that flat, low profile buckle is great. I hate how so many gun belts have these giant *** oversized buckles that print like crazy, drawing unnecessary attention to an area you don't want people closely looking at.
It's one thing a lot of concealed carriers get wrong. You don't need an uber stiff belt with a massive cobra belt buckle. You're not an operator trying to carry a full size gun and tons of other gear that's all worn OWB. Those belts are not meant for concealed carry.



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You're not an operator trying to carry a full size gun and tons of other gear that's all worn OWB. Those belts are not meant for concealed carry.

I tried a Langdon about a year and a half ago. The low profile buckle is a good idea. However, I found it didn't hold adjustment despite the Velcro and the thinner layers were not stiff enough for me. Maybe newer versions have different stiffening because it was a common complaint. Might be OK for a light load.

I prefer the stiff heavier duty nylon web belts. I don't find the buckle interferes with concealed carry. I am not an operator, but this how I carry my full size pistol AIWB, fixed blade knife and hi-cap spare mag (and phone) all day:
 

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@CB3 that buckle area profile looks pretty big. I'm a thin person and I hate when a buckle sticks out that far, and when my shirt lay against it, it creates a big "shelf". It looks very unnatural and draws unwanted attention. I carry a Shield in a T1C Axis Elite holster, spare mag, and sometimes a Kabar TDI knife. The Foundation Belt is perfect for this light load.

If you liked the Foundation Belt but want something a little stiffer, check out the Mastermind Tactics/Graith belts. I have one in size 34 that I don't use anymore if you are interested in one.
 
The dominant explanation is that a handgun safely holstered in a good (almost always Kydex) holster cannot fire when it is stored in there.
With all due respect to CB3, this statement is accurate until it isn't. Safeties are mechanical devices. The gun is a mechanical device. All mechanical devices can fail. Yes, even a spoon can fail. This is why rule #2 is so important: Never cover anything with the muzzle you don't want to destroy.

Enough verbiage. If this video doesn't give you pause, continue carrying AIWB angst free...

 
That video is an example of why for IWB I say to always to remove holster, holster the gun and then stow the holstered gun back where you carry it.

And I like a good fairly stiff leather belt.
I don't see how that would alter the outcome here. The guy properly loaded, checked and inserted the gun.

Personally I believe this to be a simple malfunction of the gun. If it hadn't been pointed at the owner, no one gets hurt.
 
I'm ASSUMING that was a striker fired gun. In which case something pulled the trigger. I'm guessing some clothing got in the holster and partially pulled the trigger when he holstered. Then when he bent over enough further tension on the gun or clothing finished the job. Probably his abdomen pushed down on the grip forcing the trigger further against the obstruction. I like to be able to see and independently feel the gun seat inside an unobstructed holster. Then stow the holstered gun. Too risky otherwise. You can blow off the family jewels or even sever the femoral artery nice and high where even with compression it'd be hard to stop the flow. I'll play it safe.
 
The consequences of carelessness for AIWB carry can be greater than for other carry positions. I believe everyone would prefer a bullet in the butt, next to the hip or down a leg rather than in a femoral artery or one's maleness.

This man in the video failed to follow safe holstering rules in two ways:

1. He did not clear the path to the mouth of his holster. As I recall in the original video, which was much clearer and longer than the short clip in this thread, he had a t-shirt on under his polo. That t-shirt bunched up over the mouth of the holster, obstructing it.

2. Because he did not clear the path to the holster, when he pushed the gun into the holster, he pushed the t-shirt into the trigger guard. At this point in the original video, you can see him wiggle and force the gun because it didn't feel right. It was not all the way seated in the holster because of the t-shirt interfering. He should have stopped right then, his second chance to avoid injury, but he did not. He left the gun slightly out of the holster with the t-shirt already starting to pull the trigger.

When he bent over, he pushed the grip of the gun down into the holster just enough to finish pulling the trigger. The gun discharged because the trigger was pulled through his negligence. The gun did not go off by itself. There was no mechanical failure.

This kind of carelessness would have caused the gun to discharge if it was carried in any other position also. In fact, he might have had more of a chance of avoiding these two mistakes by carrying up front because of the potential ease of seeing the holster and feeling the obstruction.

In addition to being negligent with holstering safety rules, he apparently violated Cooper's Rule #2--Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy. "Never" is an absolute word connoting no exceptions.

I did not hear the extent of his injuries. It could have been anything from an uncomfortable muzzle blast to his privates as the bullet passed by to actual torn flesh and blood of a most serious type, although as he was treated it did not appear this was the case.

There are videos involving guns and holsters and people shooting themselves in all carry positions. There are even more reports with and without photos in the press. Then there are additional instances that we just don't know about because they are unreported.

The great thing about human intelligence is we can learn from others' mistakes and avoid them ourselves.

I made a statement earlier that a handgun put away safely into a good quality, modern holster that retains the gun and protects the trigger will not fire by itself. I believe this is true, even if a "safety" breaks, because modern guns have redundant safeties to avoid just such mishaps. Unless the trigger is pulled somehow while a gun is in a holster, it will not go off. If you carry a gun that you believe will go off after being safely holstered, get a different gun.

Get the gun into the holster safely, and no matter where you carry it will not fire until you manipulate the gun. Leave it alone and you are safe. The video above does nothing to detract from that statement.

No matter where you holster carry, you will muzzle yourself sometimes. Go to a class where people are using holsters and you will see muzzling happening all day. Think about your body. Could your leg or butt ever get down in front of an IWB 4 o'clock carry position? Do you have a roll of fat that pushes the grip of the gun away from you a little at times, pointing the muzzle in toward you?

So is the solution to perfect observance of Rule #2 not to carry? No. The solution is to carry safely, recognizing and minimizing the risks. Follow safe holstering rules in addition to the four basic safety rules, but understand that there are exceptions to the application of all rules that are situationally dependent.

My long guns in my safe at home are unloaded and pointed up. Rule #1 says treat them as if they are loaded. OK. On the floor directly above the safe is a toilet. The guns are pointing at the toilet. Rule #2 violation? Technically, yes. Practically, no. The guns will not fire themselves when stored in the safe, even if they were loaded.

My guns do not point at my flesh when I holster in any carry position, including AIWB. Once my gun is safe in my holster, I accept the fact that my gun firing in my holster (possibly while pointed at something important of mine) is so infinitesimally small as to not bother me. That's my choice, and I'm good with it.

I just seriously doubt that anyone who carries concealed can honestly say they have never violated Rule #2 while carrying.
 
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Everyone would prefer not to be shot.

When a round is chambered, the chances of a gun firing are never zero.

Rule #2 is properly stated: Never cover anything with the muzzle you're not willing to destroy.

Note that this rule doesn't say, "Never cover anything with the muzzle." The fact that the muzzle exists means it's covering something, always. So, do the best you can to not cover something that will have catastrophic results in the event of a negligent discharge (ND).

People are human and make mistakes. Complacency gets us all at one time or another. Following the 4 basic rules reduces the chances of being shot negligently/accidentally as low as possible.

Carrying a gun is a risk. How you carry that gun is a factor in risk assessment. How YOU choose to carry is a personal choice. It's just important to realize that there are consequences to our choices. Don't fool yourself into thinking there's zero risk.

The result of the video I posted was not horrific. He didn't die and didn't lose any body parts. It's just a dramatic view of what could happen.
 
any semi-auto I carry AWIB must have a manual safety or I will not carry it that way, which is why I waited for Sig to come out with a P365 w/ safety before I bought one. Accidents can happen, and as an aging elder with slowng reflexes and progressively less practice time, a manual safety will greatly reduce the chances of having one.
 
But, just to be clear, you carry AIWB, right?
Yes, but carefully. I wouldn't have done what the guy in the video did. You would have seen me remove the holster, holster the gun while clearly observing my actions and having made sure the holster was unobstructed and then re-stow the holstered gun. It's bit of a pain but the extra precaution necessary if you want to avail yourself the advantages of AIWB.

I will confess that many years ago I frequently carried what is sometimes referred to as Mexican style. In my defense it was a 669, a gun with a safety and a long fairly heavy trigger pull.
 
any semi-auto I carry AWIB must have a manual safety or I will not carry it that way, Accidents can happen, and as an aging elder with slowng reflexes and progressively less practice time, a manual safety will greatly reduce the chances of having one.

I'm also an older guy and feel the same way. I would never carry a gun without a thumb safety unless it was without a round in the chamber and I feel having a round chambered and thumb safety on is the better option.

At the range I'm so used to swiping the safety off before firing that I don't think it would be an issue if I ever had to use my gun for self defense. It helps that the Compact I carry has a large easily accessible safety lever.

To be clear, I know some guys like to holster the gun with the safety on then flip it off once the gun is in the holster. I keep the safety on the whole time even when it's in the holster. The only time the safety comes off is when I have the gun in my hands and in firing position aiming at a target.
 
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This thread and the video convinced me I never want to appendix carry, I've always carried on my right hip with a thumb break holster and I think I'll keep it that way. And yes, include me in the group who likes a thumb safety.
 
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With all due respect to CB3, this statement is accurate until it isn't. Safeties are mechanical devices. The gun is a mechanical device. All mechanical devices can fail. Yes, even a spoon can fail. This is why rule #2 is so important: Never cover anything with the muzzle you don't want to destroy.

Enough verbiage. If this video doesn't give you pause, continue carrying AIWB angst free...

This video is older, and there was (not sure if anything has been updated beyond the, "my friend knows the guy and ...") widespread belief that it was falsified. If you watch the reactions and consider the setup, too many things appear ... weird. It does/has brought good conversation about proper ways to safely holster for AIWB, and this guy doesn't do it. If we think his G43 (I think that's the gun) had a legitimate malfunction, and it's not "user error," then this brings pause to all manors of carrying a gun, regardless of AIWB (I also don't want a round traveling down my leg and shattering my ankle, or discharging behind me as I walk through a crowd, or ...).
 
I had the same issues, caring appendix with a holster. I got a Sticky holster, which is easy to remove and reposition other positions depending on one's activity. That particular host that was recommended to me by the guy who sold me the gun.
 
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