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cgt4570
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"Tis better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6". Do they have metal detectors? Risking loss of life or loss of job is a choice many of us have to make every day.
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Quit and find a workplace that respects your right to self defense.
dubshooter
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At my place of work, I feel the need to carry a gun to keep me safe.
Luckily, my employer provides me a few to carry. Couple in the car, one on me, and I take a spare in my pocket.
Luckily, my employer provides me a few to carry. Couple in the car, one on me, and I take a spare in my pocket.
Genetically Swiss
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I work in a Federal building, no firearms or knives with blades over 2". Not in the building or the grounds which includes the parking lots. Metal detectors, x-rays and armed guards in the lobby we all must pass through to get to our offices. The Federal building I work in includes a superior court, IRS, VA, FBI, Marshals service and Department of Energy.
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Rpg
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Look for a different job.
When you find a new job, then quit the job you have.
Do not quit before finding a new job.
Ivan the Butcher
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In Ohio, the last set of CCW updates allows to keep a loaded CCW in the car. That is a huge improvement over what we had before!!!!
Ivan
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To make a long story really short, I respect my employer's right to tell me that I can't carry a firearm on my person on the clock. I DO NOT recognize my employer's right to tell me what I can have in my car unless I'm using it for company business on the clock.
I'm currently working an unarmed position so for me to have a firearm on my person would be a violation of company policy as well as city ordinance. The company has no policy against leaving a firearm in your vehicle that I'm aware of and I'm not going to ask them about it.
When I worked for HSS the policy for unarmed guards was that you couldn't have a firearm on Client property without written authorization from the client AND HSS IOW no firearms even in your car on the clock. I ignored it. My car my rules
When I worked for G4S the written firearms policy really only covered what you could and couldn't do with their gun. As far as personal Firearms it was really non-existent. I actually had a couple supervisors put me on unarmed positions and tell me if I wanted to bring a gun it would be okay. I didn't say a word but I knew that if anything happened with that firearm if they would hang me out to dry and say they never told me I could have it.
So like I said unless you're paying me to carry a gun at work or you specifically give me a written authorization to carry a gun at work I'm not carrying a gun at work but my car is my car and unless you're paying me to use it for company business what's in it is none of your business
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I'm currently working an unarmed position so for me to have a firearm on my person would be a violation of company policy as well as city ordinance. The company has no policy against leaving a firearm in your vehicle that I'm aware of and I'm not going to ask them about it.
When I worked for HSS the policy for unarmed guards was that you couldn't have a firearm on Client property without written authorization from the client AND HSS IOW no firearms even in your car on the clock. I ignored it. My car my rules
When I worked for G4S the written firearms policy really only covered what you could and couldn't do with their gun. As far as personal Firearms it was really non-existent. I actually had a couple supervisors put me on unarmed positions and tell me if I wanted to bring a gun it would be okay. I didn't say a word but I knew that if anything happened with that firearm if they would hang me out to dry and say they never told me I could have it.
So like I said unless you're paying me to carry a gun at work or you specifically give me a written authorization to carry a gun at work I'm not carrying a gun at work but my car is my car and unless you're paying me to use it for company business what's in it is none of your business
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wingriderz
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Only you can decide what's best for you. I personally dealt with employers that had a no firearm policy for years. These employers left myself and staff at great risk.I carried every day . They never ever had a clue. I always used the don't ask don't tell method. If the question of guns came up I used the " Guns " aren't those things dangerous ??.Be safe and smart.
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I would say it depends on the level of risk, and the penalty involved. If you attend school in a low threat environment (yes, I know you can't always be sure), you may want to consider a less than lethal and permissible method such as pepper spray. Depending on your location, the consequence of carrying may range from "please go secure that in your car" to "you're expelled, don't ever come back and by the way the police are on the way to arrest you", so you need to take that into account. Good luck in your decision.
I worked for the Federal gov't after retiring from law enforcement and carrying a gun was a termination offense. As a GS14 w/a good job that I enjoyed it would have been foolish to violate that policy when I was busy working on a second retirement. The armed guards in my building were all retireed cops and told me, unofficially, they did not care if I carried but they liked their jobs too. Traveling was a big part of what I did and the whole airport thing was too much for me to figure out, and I was officially on the clock then too. I've been fully retired since '05 and carried all the time since then.
Arik
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How do I deal with it? I don't! My job doesn't care so I carry but I've worked plenty of places where guns weren't allowed. There's nothing to deal with, it's not constantly on my mind. I just do my job and not concerned with what may or may not happen
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RGVshooter
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Told my boss, "IF" I was carrying, you wouldn't know it, unless I used it, and if I used it, you'd be glad I had it.
I guess it depends on how much you like your job. I cannot carry at work. I respect that rule. I've been with the same company 32 years, so I guess I must like it. I've only wished I was armed once - during an attempted armed robbery. A guy walked up to the pharmacy,pointed a pistol, and demanded oxycontin. He did not get any. The pharmacy tech and pharmacist both ducked behind the counter. The doors were securely locked barring him from entry, and he just walked away rather than trying to climb over. He was quickly apprehended by law enforcement, so the story has a happy ending.
One department manager regularly carried in her purse. She made a mistake and showed it to the wrong person who outed her. She was immediately terminated and arrested. Although she had claimed to have a license to carry she did not, thus the arrest.
One department manager regularly carried in her purse. She made a mistake and showed it to the wrong person who outed her. She was immediately terminated and arrested. Although she had claimed to have a license to carry she did not, thus the arrest.
There are many ways to look at this issue. Some people frequently and loudly proclaim they won't go anyplace they are not allowed to carry. I honestly find such rigid thinking rather ridiculous and negatively impacting your quality of life unnecessarily.
I wouldn't want to be a law enforcement officer without having a firearm, but working in a school is an entirely different matter. There is an old saying that shouldn't go anywhere or do anything armed that you wouldn't unarmed and it's pretty sound advice. If there is a school in the United States where shootings are actually a relatively frequent occurence, I would highly recommend not working there, but that isn't the case AFAIK anywhere and the odds of being involved in a school shooting are absolutely astronomically low.
Sure, you never know and why some insist on being armed 24/7 including while in the shower, but I think their insistence to constantly be armed probably has more to do with things like politics, hobby and their psyche than it does any realistic practical need for self-protection. If these same people are so vigilante and supposedly concerned with their personal safety, then why do they drive a car. The odds of being involved in a civilian defense shooting are miniscule compared with your chances of being in a fatal car accident, but yet they all still choose to drive.
Do as you wish, but sometimes you just have to live your life and not let irrational fears and thinking rule it.
Do you carry religiously? You may not be as safe as you believe. - www.GrantCunningham.com www.GrantCunningham.com
I wouldn't want to be a law enforcement officer without having a firearm, but working in a school is an entirely different matter. There is an old saying that shouldn't go anywhere or do anything armed that you wouldn't unarmed and it's pretty sound advice. If there is a school in the United States where shootings are actually a relatively frequent occurence, I would highly recommend not working there, but that isn't the case AFAIK anywhere and the odds of being involved in a school shooting are absolutely astronomically low.
Sure, you never know and why some insist on being armed 24/7 including while in the shower, but I think their insistence to constantly be armed probably has more to do with things like politics, hobby and their psyche than it does any realistic practical need for self-protection. If these same people are so vigilante and supposedly concerned with their personal safety, then why do they drive a car. The odds of being involved in a civilian defense shooting are miniscule compared with your chances of being in a fatal car accident, but yet they all still choose to drive.
Do as you wish, but sometimes you just have to live your life and not let irrational fears and thinking rule it.
Do you carry religiously? You may not be as safe as you believe. - www.GrantCunningham.com www.GrantCunningham.com
I say this a lot but if you choose to carry against company policy Absolutely No One that you work with can know about it because sooner or later (even just by accident) they'll out you.
They people I work with are nice enough but they're not people I chose to be part of my circle. I don't tell them my personal business. I don't even mention that I own guns and if the topic comes up I ignore it.
When our agency was wrestling with the idea of assigning officers to the schools I was sent to a meeting w/the school board. In typical naive fashion they wanted a cop in every school, but w/o their gun. I told them that was a deal breaker, I would NOT assign any officer anywhere absent ALL of their equipment. Fortunately the police chief backed me. It still amazes me how out of touch w/reality some people are.
Genetically Swiss
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My position is conditional upon being able to maintain a very high security clearance. I always obey the law (always have) and will do nothing to jeopardize my position. YMMV.
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cmort666
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You have to judge the nature and immediacy of the threat.
During the first Gulf War, I was the Facility Security Officer (clearance processing, document custodian, access control, security training, etc.) of a classified NASA contractor in Cleveland.
Shortly after the war started I was in the men's room around the corner from my office. Somebody came in and announced that everybody needed to leave the basement immediately.
Since the lab across the hall was building satellite hardware and dealt with hazardous materials, I figured there was a hazmat spill.
Arriving in the lobby, I encountered the entire company. Jokingly, I asked somebody I knew if it was a bomb threat. He answered, "Yes."
It turned out that my boss [for security] had been aware of a SERIES of bomb threats, of which he had neglected to notify me.
Having previously rejected my strong suggestion that the automatic unlocking of the employee door be suspended for the duration, my [idiot, Klansman] boss ordered everyone into the lobby... and ordered them to stay there. Having at least two braincells to rub together, I immediately perceived the target rich environment which this twit had created.
Later, I discovered that the fiasco had been precipitated by a bomb threat call to an engineer in the basement. The bomb was allegedly in his desk. The recipient immediately reported the threat, whereupon David Duke told him to LOOK IN HIS DESK FOR THE BOMB. The engineer told Duke where to go and announced that he was leaving for home forthwith.
The next day, I started carrying a briefcase to work. It contained a Series 70 Colt, several spare magazines and a ballistic vest. At the same time, I explained the situation to my boss for IT and told him that if anything happened, to come to my office in the basement... which sat behind a vault door.
At the time, not only were firearms banned in the facility, Ohio didn't have citizen concealed carry.
I decided that, faced with a tangible threat compounded by gross incompetence of management, my life (and those of others) was more important than either company policy or the Ohio Revised Code.
Nobody else can make such a decision for you.
PS - The employee door continued to unlock automatically for the entire duration of the War.
PPS - David Duke ordered me to cease cooperation with the FBI on an investigation of an employee who was an organizer for the Iraqi Baath Party.
During the first Gulf War, I was the Facility Security Officer (clearance processing, document custodian, access control, security training, etc.) of a classified NASA contractor in Cleveland.
Shortly after the war started I was in the men's room around the corner from my office. Somebody came in and announced that everybody needed to leave the basement immediately.
Since the lab across the hall was building satellite hardware and dealt with hazardous materials, I figured there was a hazmat spill.
Arriving in the lobby, I encountered the entire company. Jokingly, I asked somebody I knew if it was a bomb threat. He answered, "Yes."
It turned out that my boss [for security] had been aware of a SERIES of bomb threats, of which he had neglected to notify me.
Having previously rejected my strong suggestion that the automatic unlocking of the employee door be suspended for the duration, my [idiot, Klansman] boss ordered everyone into the lobby... and ordered them to stay there. Having at least two braincells to rub together, I immediately perceived the target rich environment which this twit had created.
Later, I discovered that the fiasco had been precipitated by a bomb threat call to an engineer in the basement. The bomb was allegedly in his desk. The recipient immediately reported the threat, whereupon David Duke told him to LOOK IN HIS DESK FOR THE BOMB. The engineer told Duke where to go and announced that he was leaving for home forthwith.
The next day, I started carrying a briefcase to work. It contained a Series 70 Colt, several spare magazines and a ballistic vest. At the same time, I explained the situation to my boss for IT and told him that if anything happened, to come to my office in the basement... which sat behind a vault door.
At the time, not only were firearms banned in the facility, Ohio didn't have citizen concealed carry.
I decided that, faced with a tangible threat compounded by gross incompetence of management, my life (and those of others) was more important than either company policy or the Ohio Revised Code.
Nobody else can make such a decision for you.
PS - The employee door continued to unlock automatically for the entire duration of the War.
PPS - David Duke ordered me to cease cooperation with the FBI on an investigation of an employee who was an organizer for the Iraqi Baath Party.
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Excellent commentary! All true. Nothing is worse than complacency.
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It is very difficult for me to give advice to anyone about what to do with respect to a company policy forbidding firearms. I wrote my present company policy so you can guess that I have a firearm with me every day, as do two others. Other places that I worked either had no specific policy or none that I was aware of and I carried every day.
One place I worked had a specific ban and I carried anyway. My call, my choice, my risk. I could never advise anyone else to do that.
If you work where there are metal detectors then, again, you don't even have a choice.
It's like on those rare instances when I have to go to the local courthouse. I leave my gun in my car. Metal detectors = no choice.
Then, there is one place, maybe two, that I am aware of that search everyone who comes through the door and there are metal detectors. But if you flash your carry license there is a separate door, no metal detector, just cut around the line and meander in. I like that one.
nachogrande
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WHAT DO YOU VALUE MORE?
How much value is your job vs your life. I didn't CC in a hospital, because I could have lost my license to practice along with the job. Too many chances for an accidental exposure, or a Pt grabbing me, or just a hug, or a brush up against someone. Doing house calls in bad neighborhoods, or in an office type setting YOU BET. There will always be a chance of discovery. Like the old saying: if you can't afford to lose it, don't place the bet. YOUR DECISION, good luck with it.
How much value is your job vs your life. I didn't CC in a hospital, because I could have lost my license to practice along with the job. Too many chances for an accidental exposure, or a Pt grabbing me, or just a hug, or a brush up against someone. Doing house calls in bad neighborhoods, or in an office type setting YOU BET. There will always be a chance of discovery. Like the old saying: if you can't afford to lose it, don't place the bet. YOUR DECISION, good luck with it.
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gwpercle
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Start your own business, you get to be the boss and make all the rules.
At my business the employee's can open , conceal or not carry at all.
I'm the boss and that's my rule.
Gary
Small Business Owner
At my business the employee's can open , conceal or not carry at all.
I'm the boss and that's my rule.
Gary
Small Business Owner
How valuable is carrying a gun vs risking losing your job might be a better way of wording it. I imagine getting caught carrying a handgun in a school would probably carry a pretty heavy penalty and it would likely prove difficult to get another job in a school if fired for such an offense. The old "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6" line is short sighted. I don't want either one. Getting killed obviously sucks, but so does spending any substantial time behind bars.
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cmort666
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It depends upon the credibility and the immediacy of the threat.
Would you rather be killed than arrested?
I've seen many people get out of jail, many of whom deserved to be there for the rest of their lives.
I've only seen Christopher Lee get out of his grave, and that was make believe.
When there's a quantifiable threat and those whose duty it is to mitigate that threat are only facilitating that threat, I'm not going to die for somebody else's degenerate "values".
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