No civilians need a AR15

[M29since14]

Unless I'm mistaken, the Yamamoto quote has been debunked.

I was not aware that some do-gooder had set out to "debunk" the epithet attributed to Admiral Yamamoto, but since I was not there, and I doubt very much the debunker was either, I prefer to think it is true - or close to it. Where does the debunking originate?

 

[UncleEd]

Semi-auto or bolt action rifles
just fine.

I think the U.S. Army has learned,
more than once, give a "trained"
soldier a rifle with full auto
capability and you've issued
a weapon soon without
any ammunition.

 

[dmar]

I was not aware that some do-gooder had set out to "debunk" the epithet attributed to Admiral Yamamoto, but since I was not there, and I doubt very much the debunker was either, I prefer to think it is true - or close to it. Where does the debunking originate?

Agreed. And, debunked, or not, the words are true…

NFA is a joke, just another government intrusion on our Constitutional rights. Law abiding citizens should have a right to have any gun that the police, or military uses (I'm talking firearms here, not sure about missiles, rockets, and nukes…) as they are merely supposed to be extensions of 'we the people,' not some exclusive class in our society with extra special rights. Well, that was the original intention, anyway….

Now, if somebody chooses to engage in criminal conduct, then that's a different story, you get limited rights, and punishment. This all said, our society is so broken now that the idea of us regular citizens having open access to automatic weapons is probably impractical. Government creates its own problems, then enacts limitations that impact law abiding citizens, and our Constitutional rights.

 

[M29since14]

Government IS a problem. Always. We were warned to be cautious of it. We've gone along on our merry way, consistently ignoring those warnings, stomping mercilessly on the Constitution as we go, with our absurd "living document" BS to justify whatever it is the stompers are REALLY after.

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

I have seen F/A firearms described as "a quick way to turn ammunition into noise" and as Mark Twain might say, their effectiveness is" greatly exaggerated". The Soviets issued large numbers of PPSh M-1941s and PPS M-1943s, they were easy to manufacture and easy to train conscript troops with, the Soviets emphasized close range tactics.
In the Revolution, both sides were evenly matched in terms of firearms and artillery, it was superior British drill and discipline that made the difference until 1778 or so.

 

[Retired W4]

You think they have any AKs that will rock n roll?

Our government has tons of them. We picked a lot of them up in the desert of Iraq (and other places)( several years ago.

 

[squidsix]

You up that to 10,000 rounds per year, per rifle, and I am in.
1,000 rounds is not gonna cut it. You want proficiency, you gotta crank up the trigger time.

 

[djohns6]

I was not aware that some do-gooder had set out to "debunk" the epithet attributed to Admiral Yamamoto, but since I was not there, and I doubt very much the debunker was either, I prefer to think it is true - or close to it. Where does the debunking originate?

I think it was more that there is no proof that he ever said it . MAYBE he did , maybe he didn't .

 

[ironhead7544]

The M16 series fire at around 750 rounds per minute. How long would your ammo stash last? I am in the one round one kill school.

Concerning the Swiss, I heard they can buy their rifle when they leave the service. The rifle would be converted to semi only.

 

[Tam 3]

I seem to remember that something relating to that remark was made post-war during occupation, commenting on the existence of military class rifle matches in the U.S. Yamamoto wasn't there.

Regards,

Tam 3

 

[gunship]

I am a M60 Vietnam boy but my Garand and Mauser will do just fine.

 

[UncleEd]

You up that to 10,000 rounds per year, per rifle, and I am in.
1,000 rounds is not gonna cut it. You want proficiency, you gotta crank up the trigger time.

10,000?

Dream, dream, dream.

 

[Chief Wiggums]

where do I request a FN SCAR ?

 

[Oldfrt]

The important thing to remember is when confronted by a anti-gun person remind them of what transpired February of 2022.

 

[DWalt]

Our government has tons of them. We picked a lot of them up in the desert of Iraq (and other places)( several years ago.

You have no idea as to how many tons of them. And where the "other places" are.

Regarding the Yamamoto quote:
Letter: Facts don't hold up to scrutiny - Carroll County Times

 

[biku324]

Our best weapons forever have been the Atlantic and Pacific. Unless the Canadians are poisoned by bad LaBatts beer (likely the Blue), go crazy, and go after the casino at Great Falls, we shouldn't face a Ukraine-like situation.

I suffer from chronically low paranoia.

 

[dockmurgw]

Our best weapons forever have been the Atlantic and Pacific. Unless the Canadians are poisoned by bad LaBatts beer (likely the Blue), go crazy, and go after the casino at Great Falls, we shouldn't face a Ukraine-like situation.

I suffer from chronically low paranoia.

Living in a northern border state, I am deeply concerned of a Canadian insurgency...the relentless politeness would be unbearable.

 

[smithra_66]

Our best weapons forever have been the Atlantic and Pacific. Unless the Canadians are poisoned by bad LaBatts beer (likely the Blue), go crazy, and go after the casino at Great Falls, we shouldn't face a Ukraine-like situation.

I suffer from chronically low paranoia.

Still, it doesn't hurt to have millions of citizens familiar with military rifles and how to shoot them, just like the framers intended.

 

[mtgianni]

I think first we would need to instill the love of country and dedication to it. Recognizing that all races, colors, sexes and ages are what make up our Nation and that together we are stronger than we are separated and dueling internally. If we get that down the guns will handle them selves.

 

[boykinlp]

After hearing about "guns being handed out like candy" in the Ukraine on the news, I was wondering something. We here are talking about getting ammo, but I didn't hear about how much ammo was given out with each gun. Guns without ammo are obviously just fancy clubs. I hope and pray that the citizens have access to whatever ammo they need to protect themselves, their family, and their country.
Larry

 

[waffles]

Still, it doesn't hurt to have millions of citizens familiar with military rifles and how to shoot them, just like the framers intended.

Taking a look at the sales of AR15s, parts, magazines, and ammo, it's pretty obvious we already have millions of people armed with ( close as makes no difference) military rifles who are way more familiar with them than a guy off the street being handed an AK in Ukraine, all without needing a government program to do it.

I wouldn't mind seeing something like a beefed up DCM/CMP program offering rifles (either left alone in a utopia without the NFA, modified to semi if the ATF could get lost with the once a machine gun always a machine gun nonsense, or even sold with a new lower or sans lower altogether) at the end of their useful service life and excess ammo for them being sold cheap through affiliated organizations conducting trainings, matches, and access to places to shoot. We've already got the stuff, might as well let it avoid a date with the shredder and do something useful with it (yes, I know I should be looking to the sky to avoid falling pig droppings before it will happen).

 

[biku324]

Or (God forbid) firearms safety, marksmanship, and liability training in our high schools.

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

It's better when a militiaman or whatever you want to call him brings his own weapon. Recall reading about the "People's Volunteers" that were hastily gathered to stop the German advance on Leningrad in 1941, there were constant complaints that when they retreated in panic-as they often did-they threw away their weapons. "To lose your weapon is a crime against the Motherland !"

 

[biku324]

Google the 7th Illinois and the Battle of Allatoona Pass.

 

[Retired W4]

You have no idea as to how many tons of them. And where the "other places" are.

Regarding the Yamamoto quote:
Letter: Facts don't hold up to scrutiny - Carroll County Times

I don't know where they are kept either. Many were flown out on C-141s. Now ask me how I know.

 

[cmj8591]

I took these photos at a gun shop in Lucerne, Switzerland, back in 2003. That customer is holding his issued STG-90 rifle...

Was he there trying to sell it?

 

[GypsmJim]

Our best weapons forever have been the Atlantic and Pacific. Unless the Canadians are poisoned by bad LaBatts beer (likely the Blue), go crazy, and go after the casino at Great Falls, we shouldn't face a Ukraine-like situation.

I suffer from chronically low paranoia.

You are right about never facing a Ukrainian type situation, but my belief (and fear) is that if any foreign country is hellbent on taking us over it will be with ICBMs, not rifles or tanks.

 

[Beemerguy53]

Still, it doesn't hurt to have millions of citizens familiar with military rifles and how to shoot them, just like the framers intended.

No government whose intentions are benign, in any country, should be leery of an armed populace.

 

[WCCPHD]

When I hear someone say nobody "needs" an AR15, I respond that the first ten amendments to the US Constitution are the Bill of RIGHTS, not the Bill of Needs.

 

[Beemerguy53]

Was he there trying to sell it?

No. As I recall, he was buying mags or something else for it.