CAJUNLAWYER
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Meh........
No guns allowed in a hotel?
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oneounceload
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In Florida those signs do not carry the force of law. All they can ask you to do is leave.
Like that's going to happen! Lot of good that's going to do for me.
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Cheesy looking. That's immaterial. The sign's meaning is clear.
If you have a concealed carry permit in North Carolina, or a permit from a reciprocal state, that sign carries the force of law in North Carolina, and it isn't open to anyone's interpretation. That applies to any law. You don't get to interpret any law for your own benefit, and in my opinion, it's irresponsible to suggest that you can, especially when it comes to guns. You can always stay someplace where there are no signs.
The red circle with a diagonal slash through it is an international symbol that's used throughout the world to indicate that something is prohibited...usually an action or an object. It's used to designate everything from cigarettes to skateboards to guns.
No language comprehension skills are needed to know what this sign means, and it's immaterial whether it shows an M9, a Smith 36, a 1911, or an AR. Everyone knows what it means.
Be cool listening to you explain under oath to a judge or jury that you don't know what a red circle and slash over an object means. The phrase "strains credulity" comes to mind . . .
Old TexMex
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In Texas you're only going to talk to a judge if you refused to leave when asked and were arrested and charged with trespassing.
Yeah, Missouri as well, and even then it's not a criminal violation, like a parking ticket, but I'm making the leap that all of that has already happened. You actually only get as far as you describe if you're really bad at concealing your pop . . .
Are those the ones that rent by the hour?
oneounceload
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In 40 years of travel, I have yet to see a metal detector at the front door of a hotel - which ones do so I can avoid them in the future?
LoboGunLeather
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This pretty well sums it up. Lots of businesses have taken the legal advice of company attorneys and insurance underwriters to adopt a "no weapons" policy as a means of providing a measure of protection against liability claims.
Hotel guest has a ND in the hotel, bullet passes through a wall and injures someone, the guest was acting in clear violation of the company's policy.
Hotel employee goes postal on the premises, fires up the place, that employee was acting outside the scope of employment and in violation of company policy.
Of course, to bolster such legal arguments there must be a showing of reasonable efforts to enforce the policy. Signs posted at public entrances, notice given on websites/booking agents, employee training, etc.
Plaintiffs' attorneys will probably argue that it was all just a "wink and a nod" to avoid legal exposure, that if the company was serious they would have metal detectors, body scans, and luggage x-rays.
In the end it will all depend on a jury. As syndicated columnist Mike Rosen said, the American system of trial by jury is the finest in the world; the only problem seems to be finding 12 people who don't know anything and can't read.
keith44spl
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Well Your Honor,
I didn't have my reading glasses on and I plead the LEOSA
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I didn't have my reading glasses on and I plead the LEOSA
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Hmmmmmmm?
Please tell us where there is a hotel(s) with a metal detector at the front door. I have traveled to all 50 states and internationally and am in hotels about 75 nights/year. Never have I seen any security screening. On my way to Dallas at this very moment...will check there, too.
Be safe.
PS: Saw there was a post re: a hotel(s) in Las Vegas that screened. Was there in April and was in multiple hotels. No security screening seen.
Please tell us where there is a hotel(s) with a metal detector at the front door. I have traveled to all 50 states and internationally and am in hotels about 75 nights/year. Never have I seen any security screening. On my way to Dallas at this very moment...will check there, too.
Be safe.
PS: Saw there was a post re: a hotel(s) in Las Vegas that screened. Was there in April and was in multiple hotels. No security screening seen.
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I don't remember a sign on the Embassy Suites I was at in New Jersey the last couple weeks. But then again, I don't look for them signs, so one mighta been there . . .
5Wire
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Here ya go, print one side, flip over long axis print the other side. Separate. A copy shop could do it for you, as well. Leave a few where they're needed...
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rkittine
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I used to always take my bench rest rifles to a Marriott in Williamsport, PA, while shooting at the Original PA 1000 Yard Bench Rest club. After the Las Vegas mass shooting, Marriott, I believe universally banned bringing firearms into their hotels. That includes privately owned franchise operations too. Now I lock them up at the club house when I am in town to shoot. It is going to get worse.
Bob
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My take is this......I carry a gun to protect myself, my wife and family. Many murders and random acts of violence seem to happen in "gun free zones", so I ignore these signs ( it's just that simple). I don't in any way advertise that I'm armed and I don't do things that draw attention to myself or family.
I maintain it is my "personal right" to be armed and able to protect myself and my loved ones. Signs be damned!!! JMO
Don
I maintain it is my "personal right" to be armed and able to protect myself and my loved ones. Signs be damned!!! JMO
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CustomChevyGuy
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Can't say I've seen any of those signs at the hotels I've stayed at recently. Last one was a Hilton, sometime last year, if memory serves. I would have promptly and quietly left the premises.
Makes me need to call around for my next trip, and plan ahead more. Any suggestions for Port St Joe, FL area?
Makes me need to call around for my next trip, and plan ahead more. Any suggestions for Port St Joe, FL area?
cjwils
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If you have paid for a hotel room, then isn't the hotel your home for the time in question? I think if you are in a jurisdiction that allows you to posses a gun in your home, then you could posses it in a hotel room. I don't recall the details, but aren't there court cases that say the owner of an apartment building cannot prohibit a tenant from possessing firearms, if they are generally legal. I don't see a difference between the owner of an apartment and the owner of a hotel.
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