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No guns allowed in a hotel?
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Clarke Hammer
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My god, walking through a metal detector to enter a hotel would be a serious red flag that you're likely on the wrong side of the tracks.
Old TexMex
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Yep. This whole thing is theoretical to the point of absurd.
If one were to be involved in a self defense shooting, I imagine the sign on the door would be nearly irrelevant.
I just got back from attending the Smith and Wesson Symposium at the Renaissance Hotel in Richardson. I believe this is a Marriott Hotel. They had the same signs on all the exterior doors but I refused to be deterred and still went through the door, pulling a big black Pelican case with my 23 guns and set up my display in the hotel conference room. My guns were not alone, I would guess the room had another four to five hundred fine looking Smith and Wesson revolvers.
Gdog's post sums it up, corporate policy be damned in favor of the bottom line.
In Montana they would loose a lot of business during hunting season, which always brings a big boost in out of staters. But, Montanans have a way of turning a blind eye to stuff like this, so local help would be part of the equation.
Would I knowingly make reservations at a place that prohibited guns? NO
Would I knowingly make reservations at a place that prohibited guns? NO
keith44spl
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I too saw that signage on the entry way to the symposium.
Also took the time to read it. It was a 30.07 notice....Meaning no open carry, I do believe.
I wasn't open carrying, so it didn't apply to me neither.
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Well, that looks like the lobby door, not a room. I wouldn't go into a South Florida hotel lobby showing a gun, they probably have M16s behind the desk.
I must not go to the "Right" type of hotels as I have never seen a no gun type sign.
Wife and I did a lot of traveling, many times long distance car events. Some of these shows or caravans are multi day and if caravaning can spend each night in a different hotel.
Have seen the occasional restaurant have a sign in our travels.
Wife and I did a lot of traveling, many times long distance car events. Some of these shows or caravans are multi day and if caravaning can spend each night in a different hotel.
Have seen the occasional restaurant have a sign in our travels.
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That's my take on it too. Castle Doctrine is in effect when you're in your hotel room. To me, it's no different than being inside your home. Of course I didn't let it deter me, I won't stay anywhere if I can't have the peace of mind that I'm able to defend myself and loved ones. If I had been paying for the room, I probably would have gone elsewhere just because they have the gall to put the signs up in the first place, but my company had already booked and paid for it. When I was checking in, I almost hoped they were going to ask if I had a gun on me. I could have truthfully answered "No, I do not have A gun on me." Because I actually had three because I planned on going to the range with a friend while I was over there.
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Not so in North Carolina.
No offense, but your take on it saying Castle Doctrine is in effect when you're in your hotel room is simply your interpretation of a law...unless you can show state statutes saying that's the case.
Don't know about other states, but that isn't the case in North Carolina.
From the North Carolina statutes:
§ 14-415.11. Permit to carry concealed handgun; scope of permit.
(c) Except as provided in G.S. 14-415.27, a permit does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun in any of the following:
(8) On any private premises where notice that carrying a concealed handgun is prohibited by the posting of a conspicuous notice or statement by the person in legal possession or control of the premises.
There are other prohibited places, just as there are in other states. I've just shown the one applicable to private premises such as a hotel. It appears this overrides any North Carolina Castle Doctrine type law currently on the books. I don't know that for sure, though. I'm not a licensed attorney, and I don't pretend to be one on an Internet forum.
Taking the "private premises" idea one step further, I don't allow people I don't know to bring a loaded gun, concealed or otherwise, into my home. Period. Do you?
A hotel room, whether you're there for the weekend, a vacation, or a weeks-long seminar or period of instruction is not your home. It is not your legal residence of record, no matter how hard people try to twist and bend the law ("interpret") to suit their own purposes.
I don't know what the penalties might be for ignoring a "No Guns" sign in North Carolina if someone's found to be carrying. They might just be asked to leave. Or they might be asked to secure their gun in the hotel safe or in their own vehicle, or another off-site location. But if someone refuses whatever request the hotel might make, and if law enforcement becomes involved, I'm pretty sure a judge would be happy to "interpret" the law for someone.
If someone decides to disregard the law, probably be a good idea to stay somewhere that isn't posted and save everyone a lot of trouble.
No idea. I don't have a sign, an entrance questionnaire, a metal detector, or a pat down requirement. How do you confirm your requirements?
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I apologize for not being more clear.
This is from the "stand your ground" statute:
776.013(4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person's dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.
(5) As used in this section, the term:
(a) "Dwelling" means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.
(b) "Residence" means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.
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C'mon. Let's not stretch this point to the level of ridiculousness, okay? But since you asked, I'll keep it simple.
Most of the time I know who's visiting. If it a guest of a visitor, and I don't know them, I actually might ask. If it's a tradesman, I will politely ask. Maybe joke around about it like, "Hey, you aren't carrying are you?" I'll ask anyone to leave the weapons outsides or not bring them period. They don't want to comply, or they lie and I find out about it, they'll be told to leave. If some plumber or electrician starts up with that I-won't-go-where-I-can't-take-my-gun nonsense, that's fine...adios. Someone else will be happy to do the job I was gonna pay you to do.
I won't debate any minutiae of this. My house, my rules, and it's one of the very few rules I have. Sound silly or overbearing? I don't care. Doesn't get any more simple than that.
gjgalligan
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Do any of you have rules of behavior for people on your property? Do you expect people to obey them or just blow it off like most of the people posting here.
You should treat other peoples property rights with respect, just like you expect your property rights to be honored.
You should treat other peoples property rights with respect, just like you expect your property rights to be honored.
keith44spl
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It was a gun free zone until I got here.
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