Not mine at least not yet.....the serial seems to be a 3rd in the 38 ones.
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Kenny I liked those grips a lot too.
The horse head was on both sides.
The horse head was on both sides.
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Any insight on the vintage of the medallions used on the grips?
duckhunter28432
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The medallions are pre-war medallions. Someone will be along with much more knowledge than me. I really like the revolver.
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A double action, obviously. Neat gun. Any pics of caliber marks would help.
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The engraving is aesthetically pleasing but not factory work.
The fit of the ivory stock is sufficiently outside of reasonable tolerances that it clearly is such that they were not paired with this revolver at the time of manufacture. To tell if they are genuine ivory, heat a pin with a match and stick in the back side of the stock. If it melts material and pushes in, they are not ivory. If it doesn't push in and smells like burnt hair, then they are ivory.
A better expert than I might be able to tell you if the medallions are factory or not. They appear to be factory original from the WWI era or before.
I would pay for this what you value it aesthetically and not how you might value factory original work.
The fit of the ivory stock is sufficiently outside of reasonable tolerances that it clearly is such that they were not paired with this revolver at the time of manufacture. To tell if they are genuine ivory, heat a pin with a match and stick in the back side of the stock. If it melts material and pushes in, they are not ivory. If it doesn't push in and smells like burnt hair, then they are ivory.
A better expert than I might be able to tell you if the medallions are factory or not. They appear to be factory original from the WWI era or before.
I would pay for this what you value it aesthetically and not how you might value factory original work.
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Thanks for the help.
I thought the medallions were very old pre WWI
I didn't really think it would fit any factory engraving style.
The grips would be the biggest factor if it becomes available as I really like those horse heads....lol
I thought the medallions were very old pre WWI
I didn't really think it would fit any factory engraving style.
The grips would be the biggest factor if it becomes available as I really like those horse heads....lol
When you say IF it becomes available, what is the issue with getting it now? A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
The horse's heads are not factory work so the value is purely aesthetic and what dollar figure you place on that.
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Right now it's just at a store with a bunch of other very old guns and the owner is assessing values to them. Some date to civil war time.
opoefc
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It's a good bet it's dealer engraved, not factory, in the "New York" style, and the stocks are unusual with that horse head embellishment and in my experience those types of stocks are aftermarket and not made from ivory, and that S&W emblem applied to the stocks is Pre WW2 era. The gun "is what it is" and has good "curb appeal" value. If it were on my table at a gun show, it would have an asking price in the $900 range . Ed
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Thanks Ed
I haven't checked but I really think the grips are Ivory.
If they are how much do you feel the price would go up on it ?
The grips are probably the biggest draw for me.
I haven't checked but I really think the grips are Ivory.
If they are how much do you feel the price would go up on it ?
The grips are probably the biggest draw for me.
It is a 38 Double Action, 3rd Model, shipped somewhere in the late 1880s, and agree that neither engraving nor stocks are factory. 1/2" gold washed medallions ran from 1910 to 1920. Prior to that, the early gold medallions were smaller so measure yours carefully. The teens medallions were also dished. I am no expert on engraving, but what I try to look for is stylish professional looking engraving that looks better the closer you get, which is the opposite case for that gun. I cannot make out "rings" on the butt of those stocks, but they are very yellow, so could they be bone?
Sorry, but I would opine that revolver may not be worth half of what was quoted above. Stocks were most likely not even made for that revolver since they do not fit that well, plus there were over 550,000 of this model made. Rough rough distributor engraving does little for value. Buyer appeal for non-factory stocks and engraving on a standard 38 DA only go so far as novelty will take it.
If you like it, buy it, but do not expect any big returns down the road.
Sorry, but I would opine that revolver may not be worth half of what was quoted above. Stocks were most likely not even made for that revolver since they do not fit that well, plus there were over 550,000 of this model made. Rough rough distributor engraving does little for value. Buyer appeal for non-factory stocks and engraving on a standard 38 DA only go so far as novelty will take it.
If you like it, buy it, but do not expect any big returns down the road.
COOoooool.
Not my area; but seem to remember reading that Ivory shrinks....Seem to recall advice about baby oil?
Not my area; but seem to remember reading that Ivory shrinks....Seem to recall advice about baby oil?
opoefc
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I think Gary is looking at the gun from a S&W collector's standpoint and his post correctly commemorates that perspective, however he used the correct adjective - "novelty" and that's what would bring a higher price, I believe, as I've seen that phenomenon affect selling prices over and over, and a gun a collector turns up his nose at gets snapped up by a buyer who "likes the way it looks" . Ed
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Thanks for the help all.
The medallion size if it becomes available I'd check and definitely appreciate knowing that aspect.. I'd also be checking if Ivory which I believe they are.
.I think I see rings in the butt picture.
The contour of the horse heads particularly the neck and nose to me are well done
The curb appeal of the horse heads if indeed ivory would certainly sway me.
The medallion size if it becomes available I'd check and definitely appreciate knowing that aspect.. I'd also be checking if Ivory which I believe they are.
.I think I see rings in the butt picture.
The contour of the horse heads particularly the neck and nose to me are well done
The curb appeal of the horse heads if indeed ivory would certainly sway me.
Modified
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Thosr are ivory, you can see the schrieger lines clearly in the picture of the butt of the gun.
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Ok well it's been awhile on this one but it's mine now.
I think the grips fit a lot better than what the initial pictures indicated.
The medallions are of the earlier smaller variety.
I think the grips fit a lot better than what the initial pictures indicated.
The medallions are of the earlier smaller variety.
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