Novice Question -- Pocket Carry with Empty Chamber?

Bad idea

Plenty of good opinions given above but I think of it this simply.

No matter the carry position, if you're not willing to carry chambered you're not ready to carry.

Buy a reputable firearm, trust it and use a good holster that protects the trigger.
 
Striker fired auto pistols, especially one with no manual safety is hazardous when carried in a pocket in my opinion! Buy an appropriate holster either inside the waist or outside the waist where the trigger is covered. OR, carry a revolver loaded with 5 rounds leaving an empty chamber behind the barrel,.

What would be the point of that on a modern revolver with a hammer safety block? If the trigger is accidentally pulled, the cylinder will rotate and fire the adjacent round anyway.
 
if you foresee any issues drawing from a front pocket and racking the slide while being fatally beaten ... then the concept may be a bit flawed
 
STRONGLY suggest you take more courses, such as the NRA Personal Protection Outside the Home, learn and practice carry techniques, then you will be able to answer your own question.
Fear of carrying a chamber-loaded gun is common with untrained / inexperienced new shooters, and the cure is training and practice.
Pretend that you were learning to drive for the first time. Would you take one 4-hour course and tackle rush-hour traffic?

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I like this answer - since it mirrors my thinking. :D Seriously, I have never been a professional gun-toter of any sort, but I do have my opinions based on years of observation and drawing logical conclusions whenever I could. My two thoughts for you are, (1) I would not carry the P365 with an empty chamber, and (2) I am not a fan of pocket carry in general and prefer to use a belt holster whenever I can. But, as another reply noted, you're way better off having access to your 365, even if unloaded, than needing it and it is still at home. Just my humble .02. Good luck!
 
Whenever I carry, it's always in a good leather holster.....OWB, or IWB.........with a round in the chamber! I have both holsters for my old carry gun S&W M-36, or my newer carry gun a Ruger LC9s. BobK
 
OKFC05;141510972 Fear of carrying a chamber-loaded gun is common with untrained / inexperienced new shooters said:
I will not carry a striker fired or internal hammer gun on my person with the chamber loaded even if it has a safety. Striker fired and internal hammer guns are cocked and one of the safety rules is never trust a safety. I do not want someone to point a gun at me and say the safety is on so I will not carry one on my person and pointed at some part of my body and depend on the safety.
I'm 8o and been carrying a pistol since I was 16. I carry one in the chamber but DA hammer fired. I wonder if I will live long enough to get the training and experience to carry a cocked pistol on my person and feel safe. I think I will stay with my tried and true safe system. Larry
 
I will not carry a striker fired or internal hammer gun on my person with the chamber loaded even if it has a safety. Striker fired and internal hammer guns are cocked and one of the safety rules is never trust a safety.

This is not an argument and I support you carrying any way you wish. You've been doing it your way longer than I've been alive and I'm not going to suggest you change.

But, one small correction. I learned that the Glocks, at least, are only partially cocked before the trigger is pulled and do not have enough stored energy to ignite the primer, even if by some means they were released from that position. Further to that, the firing pin (striker) is blocked by a button that's only pushed out of the way by pulling the trigger. I suspect most others are similar (but before I stuff one in my pants, I'll find out for sure).

I've disassembled and re-assembled Glocks many times, understand how they work and I'm comfortable with one in the pipe. But that's just me.
 
I use the OWB Avenger-style holster. I would carry a Model 49 or similar pistol in my pocket if I absolutely had no other choice.
Others know my opinion on carrying with hammer/striker down on an empty chamber. Many people disagree with my choice to go with empty.
Without diverting this discussion, I would like to point out I have never heard of a negligent or accidental discharge of a gun being carried in this fashion.
Bank messengers, police officers, and people in the military are obviously in a totally different situation.
 
When I first started carrying my Sig P365 I was very concerned about the possibility of accidental discharge. So I carried with the chamber empty. After a couple of days I went to the range for practice and when I racked the slide got a misfeed and hard jam. I had to drop the magazine to clear it. That event convinced me that empty chamber carry was not for me.
 
Have to admit to carrying my Colt Mustang Pocketlite .380 with an empty chamber in a pocket holster.......It's a gun I carry only when everything else is too big or heavy; to places I really really don't think I'll be needing a gun!

I'm also not a fan of pocket carry ..... or striker fired guns.
 
An empty chamber could cost you your life. My recommendation for a concealed carry handgun is a small striker fired pistol ; a round in the chamber for sure. The long stiff trigger pull is your safety. In a panic driven, adrenalin stoked situation, the length of, and heavy trigger pull will be a non-factor. I carry a loaded Seecamp as my EDC for years. BTW, I do not, under any circumstance, agree with open carry.
 
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Condition 3 carry always requires two things; (1) the time to chamber a round, (2) the ability to chamber a round (i.e. the use of both hands or the skills to perform a one-hand operation of the slide.)

With that in mind, I'd simply suggest that you take the time to review the numerous self-defense videos available and determine for yourself how often those two conditions are NOT present.
 
Greetings Bushmaster,

You have received a number of varied responses, all well thought out. I, too, am in a similar boat, at the other end of the Garden State. My basic question is, would you drive your car without wearing a seat belt, in the belief that you would have enough time to put it on in the event of an accident?

Not knowing whether you live in the city, suburbs, or country necessitates asking this: would you envision a confrontation more likely in a standing scenario (walking to your car or house, in line at the store, or walking along the street) or a seated scenario (car jacking, seated at a restaurant table or desk at work)? If standing, pocket carry may work for you, if seated, you may never reach your pistol in time. Considering how anti-gun NJ is, you don't know for certain if placing your pistol in the car's console will get you charged if stopped. Remember, there is a fantastic chance that your NJ driver's license will be flagged if you get a carry permit!

Next, at what point would you feel the need to defend yourself? More than likely, it would be once you see an offensive weapon within your 21 foot safety cushion. Keep in mind, the vermin that is planning on doing you harm is not going to play fair and wait for you to draw and rack the slide! The miscreant will open fire as soon as you make a defensive move. If you anticipate surviving an armed encounter, you are going to have to be faster than the threat, and you better expect to catch a round in the firefight, should one erupt.

When I get my permit, I plan on carrying my P365 with manual safety IWB (I was weened on a 1911). I believe that this approach would increase my speed in bringing a pistol into play. I have only one pistol that I would consider for pocket carry, my G42, but it wouldn't be my primary defensive pistol.

I shoot a fair amount of PPC and a few IDPA matches, with OWB holsters. However, my participation in the Adaptive Defensive Shooting Summit is where I have gotten most of my concealed carry instruction. The ADSS is designed for the physically challenged, and in our matches, time counts. Scoring, like a GSSF match, is time plus penalty. How much time will it take to draw once you identify the threat, bring your pistol into battery, and engage your threat? Remember, all the while that you are bringing your pistol into play, there is most likely a hot pistol pointed at you!

It might be a wiser move to install a thumb safety on your P365 and get yourself a good kydex IWB holster and practice! The life you save could be your own!
 
As has been stated, anything is way better than nothing. You have to keep in mind though that the bad guys do it for a living and they're used to it. If they're a junkie they'll need to rob something or someone every day. They have considerably more experience than you do and some have become very good at it. If it happens it will likely happen very quickly. Removing a pistol from your front pocket (I can barely get my hand into my pocket let alone draw a pistol) and racking the slide may be difficult if not impossible. Especially if you're warding off hammer blows or punches. It is quite likely that physical contact will be made before you even know what's going on. My personal thoughts are that being able to draw and fire with one hand can make a major difference in your ability to defend yourself.
 
My EDC is a 649-2 revolver in various holsters depending what I am wearing. It holds 5 shots and is always loaded. A simple pull of the trigger fires it. No complications and safe.
 
However you are most comfortable. As has been mentioned, it is better than not having a gun at all. Do what you feel is safest for you.
 
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One of the first things instilled in me many years ago as a young man was that "an unloaded gun never saved anyone's life". It is still my mantra to this day. Whatever you choose to do, be able to live with your decision.
 
Bad idea in my opinion too.

I have pocket carried striker fired guns and revolvers for quite a few years. Bothered me at first but I put my faith in modern technology and got over it.

Statistics show that attacks happen suddenly and in very close proximity. You may not have time to rack the slide. And you may need to use your off hand to fend off an attack as you draw or to create distance.

There are videos on YouTube that illustrate this. If you're willing to search through many, many videos, search for "donut operator " .

I would post a link but he sometimes uses four letter words.
 

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