NY Times Report on US-Supplied Small Arms Disappearing in Iraq and Afghanistan

So the question is, why does the administration want this story to break at this precise moment? How do they benefit?

The push for gun control in America and perhaps the world.

Sell the fear of guns.


And there are so many ways to get gun control in America without even touching the 2nd amendment.
Ammo control, the closing of ranges etc.

And once your name gets on any kind of list you can forget about it because as it stands today there is not even a course of action to get off a no-fly list. If denied currently at the FFL's you can appeal to the ATF but they don't even have to address it.

What's this all mean possibly, perhaps a blemish spot on your credit report gets you flagged because it says irresponsible person.
How about you can only own a gun if you are college educated and making x-amount a year.

How about they make us start carrying liability insurance.

The point to some of it is to make it so cumbersome and expensive you have no choice but to find a new hobby.

In my State alone over the last several years, all of our outdoor public ranges have shut down. This has happen by people moving in from out of State and then complaining to the city councils about the noise and potential danger. And because of the increased revenue from the tax-base their incomes and building of new homes has created the city council's fold and then don't reissue the permits to operate and the ranges close. Some in operation for over 60 years.

If you have no where to shoot, you see how this all works.
The anti-gunners are going about it through the back door without even mentioning the 2nd amendment and it's working in some places.

They don't have to ban anything. But if you can't buy ammo or have a place to shoot.

And then we get to the conspiracies of it all, is Michael Bloomberg's pledge of $1 Billion dollars to get the guns out of America really all about making America safer ?
I for one don't even believe it's 5% of that.

He along with the other mega wealthy 1% around the world are about protecting their wealth. And they don't want the guns turned towards them because of how wide the economic disparity has grown in America. They bought off the police dept's years ago to protect their interest, which is why now they look no different than regular military.

We are no longer viewed as 'we the people' by the police, but simply as 'civilians'. What they did was in effect remove the civilian police forces from among the public. And that started around 1971, the 1960's scared the you know what out of some.

Katrina should have been the wake up call to even the Whites out here, when the general population tried to cross that bridge who where the police protecting on the other side, their wealthy masters. And when the order was given they open fire on them. And not one has ever been held accountable for that.

Just as not one was ever held accountable for stealing over $1 million dollars in new Cadillacs from a dealership and most turning up later over a thousand miles away. All it showed was how all the poor where looting.

It's no longer if a SHTF it's only now a matter of time and when it does the cops are not be anymore viewed or trusted as the common street thug, because between trying to protect their own families they will be out there robbing and murdering as well.


And this is not a rant against the cops, because I have lived around or among the low-lives in society most of my life and if we didn't have the cops, even corrupt ones this country would be no better than any 3rd world dump around the world.

But make no mistake they are not out here to protect and serve the general population.
"To Protect and Serve" was only ever marketing.
 
If it's in the NYT you can be sure it was first proof read and blessed by the White House. So the question is, why does the administration want this story to break at this precise moment? How do they benefit?

The story further promotes the idea that small arms must be stopped being produced, worldwide. Only large governments (preferably one world order) would have a weaponized system to immediately control everyone, and the individual would no longer have a method of defense. Like cattle. Milk cows and steers, and a few chosen bulls.
Not a new idea, but one that was rebelled against in 1776, in a little outpost facing the Atlantic Ocean.
 
This is nothing new. In the late 30's we gave a bunch guns the Chang Kai Shek to defend against the Japanese. They shot back at us in Korea, and again in 1965.

We have a nasty habit of shortsightedness when selecting "allies" to arm in various global armpits.
 
I have a number of comments that I would like to make, but forum rules and decorum, and the possibility of young eyes reading this thread prohibit most of them. I think that it would be permissible, however, to note that since we are determined to release terrorists that we have caught and have in custody down in Gitmo, and allow them to return to the battlefield and re-engage us in the future, we might just as well go ahead and issue them M-4s and associated kit before we send them back, and thus cut out the middlemen on the ground in the middle-east, who are supplying our own equipment to those we are fighting there.

Best Regards, Les

Exactly ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And since we tax-payers are paying for it--might as well give the enemy formal Special Forces training too-in case they didnt learn how to fight yet?
 
This is nothing new. In the late 30's we gave a bunch guns the Chang Kai Shek to defend against the Japanese. They shot back at us in Korea, and again in 1965.

We have a nasty habit of shortsightedness when selecting "allies" to arm in various global armpits.

No, it was the commies doing the shooting at us later, Shek was in I think? Formosa still fighting the coms.
 
My understanding is that a lot of the US guns guns captured by the Commies after Chang Kai Shek was forced out of mainland China ended up in the hands of the VC. Apparently their thinking was that a steady supply of ammunition would be available since the South was using American weapons. I've talked to guys who ended up with captured Thompsons, M1 carbines etc. from the VC.
Jim
 
No, it was the commies doing the shooting at us later, Shek was in I think? Formosa still fighting the coms.

Yes I understand that. Shek gave guns to the N.Koreans, and did it again with the N. Vietnamese.
 
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Yes I understand that. Shek gave guns to the N.Koreans, and did it again with the N. Vietnamese.

BTW, ill go one even further. Ive been told by a grizzeled old vet who fought in WWII, Korea and in early Nam, that some of the weapons they captured and were still being used by the Viet Minh/Cong--were Muskets dating back to the 1700s--as well as much newer stuff like:
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Of course supplied by the Russians after WWII.
 
These weapons must have a supply line to the combatants. That's Turkey and Saudi Arabia and Jordan.

That's why we will not bomb anything in either of those countries. They are protected by NATO and treaty (respectively). ISIS supply lines are not, and couldn't possibly be, limited to Syria and Iran. ISIS strongest positions are on the borders of our "allies" and fellow NATO member.

General Westmoreland wanted to shut down the Ho Chi Minh trail supply line, but that was never allowed, either.

History may not repeat itself, but it does rhyme.

By the way, Iran has just been supplied with a large amount of foreign currency, just in case the Turkish government somehow manages to not become more pro Caliphate.
 
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" Ive been told by a grizzeled old vet who fought in WWII, Korea and in early Nam, that some of the weapons they captured and were still being used by the Viet Minh/Cong--were Muskets dating back to the 1700s--as well as much newer stuff like:"

Friend of mine found a 1861 Enfield musketoon, complete with sword bayonet, in a bunker in Viet Nam. He thought the VC may have been using it for a drill gun.

Unfortunately, it was stolen before he could get it back to the States. He did have a picture of himself with the rig though.
 
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