Nyclad 357---What can you tell me

[ajgunner]

With the ammo shortage it seems lots of the older fellas are unloading all their old stock to take advantage of the market prices. I load my own but keep an eye on the market to stay on top of things. These came up on a local forum and I decided to go pick them up. I don't need to shoot them because I have plenty, but figured I would rat hole them in the back for a few more years. Someday my son will run across them and try to figure out where they came from because he knows I never buy factory ammo.

Any collector value?

Any idea what year this might have been produced?

Fair price I should have paid for them?

Ever heard of a Semi Wad Cutter Hollow Point?

 

[BillBond]

I am not up on current prices, but when I sold my stash of Nyclad almost 20 years ago,
I got a good price and one guy purchased all I had and it was over 10 boxes.

 

[schutz5]

Federal took over S&W Nyclad around 1985 (???) So your Nyclad is post S&W.
Perhaps the 357 caliber is less common.
I still shoot my stash of S&W Nyclad 38.

Nice score.

 

[Fishinfool]

Not a bad choice as self defense ammo. Bullets are soft lead, to help ensure expansion, and nylon coated to prevent leading. I also believe slightly higher velocity, and reduction in airborn lead were claimed as well. I do know they had a good reputation in the field. Sort of the big brother to the respected 158 gr LSWHP "FBI Load" in the .38 spl.

Larry

 

[tominboise]

If the price was right, I'd buy all of that that was available.

Nyclads also got a bad rap for being designed to "shoot through body armor". Part of the "cop killer bullet" scares that were around in the 80s and 90s.

 

[BE Mike]

If the price was right, I'd buy all of that that was available.

Nyclads also got a bad rap for being designed to "shoot through body armor". Part of the "cop killer bullet" scares that were around in the 80s and 90s.

I might add that the "scare" was untrue. The bullets were designed to expand at lower velocities than harder lead bullets and not lead the barrel. I have some that were designed for short barrel .38 SPL revolvers.

 

[banger]

If the price was right, I'd buy all of that that was available.

Nyclads also got a bad rap for being designed to "shoot through body armor". Part of the "cop killer bullet" scares that were around in the 80s and 90s.

Absolute 100% total myth.

The myth was fostered by those people who were too stupid to figure out the difference between KTW and any other coated bullet.

In fact, Nyclads were loaded with dead soft lead bullets and actually produced less penetration that conventional jacked bullets.

Another mythical bullet armor penetrating bullet was the alleged Black Talon from Winchester....

Again, if you can get one to penetrate a standard vest, you would probably be awarded a PhD in ballistics.

Stupid people say stupid things, that get believed by even dumber people.

 

[Charlie Foxtrott]

I remember when those were around.

And shot some of it over the years. I always figured that it was a good concept and a good product. Not sure why it went out of production.

 

[ContinentalOp]

Another mythical bullet armor penetrating bullet was the alleged Black Talon from Winchester....

I've never heard that claim. All the complaints I heard at the time was that it was like a flying buzzsaw (false, no surprise there) or that it could cut through the gloves of surgeons trying to work on people shot by it (which can happen anytime a surgeon sticks his hands inside a human body with traumatic injuries, and something they should be aware of any time they operate).

 

[robertrwalsh]

Lead SWC-HP is actually a fairly common bullet design. That was what was in the FBI-Miami Dade police load, though it was not a Nyclad bullet.

 

[ContinentalOp]

Lead SWC-HP is actually a fairly common bullet design. That was what was in the FBI-Miami Dade police load, though it was not a Nyclad bullet.

Just an FYI, they did make a Nyclad version of the FBI load.

 

[robertrwalsh]

True, but as far as I know the FBI never used it. (Though I could be wrong.)

 

[DWalt]

Another mythical bullet armor penetrating bullet was the alleged Black Talon from Winchester....
Stupid people say stupid things, that get believed by even dumber people.

I don't remember exactly when, but I think sometime in the early 1990s there was a mass shooting at a law office in, I think, San Francisco where the shooter used Winchester Black Talon ammunition in a TEC-9. Some news stories were referring to it as armor piercing. The name also had racial connotations. Winchester changed the name to "Ranger Law Enforcement" thereafter.

 

[Gunhacker]

I don't remember exactly when, but I think sometime in the early 1990s there was a mass shooting at a law office in, I think, San Francisco where the shooter used Winchester Black Talon ammunition in a TEC-9. Some news stories were referring to it as armor piercing. The name also had racial connotations. Winchester changed the name to "Ranger Law Enforcement" thereafter.

Before it was know as Ranger, Black Talon was renamed to SXT, which was a black talon bullet without the black coating... less menacing I guess

It's rumored that "SXT" stood for "Same Exact Thing".

The shooting at the law offices at 101 California St. in San Francisco ushered in the beginning of the end of Gun Shops in San Francisco, as well as a spate of new gun control laws at the State level.

 

[pastorp]

I bought 5 1,000 rd cases from a retired NY SP officer. 38 sp caliber. State of the art in the 70s & 80s. I'm still shooting it. On the last case.

 

[Kid44]

Surgeon's Gloves

I've never heard that claim. All the complaints I heard at the time was that it was like a flying buzzsaw (false, no surprise there) or that it could cut through the gloves of surgeons trying to work on people shot by it (which can happen anytime a surgeon sticks his hands inside a human body with traumatic injuries, and something they should be aware of any time they operate).

Seeing how surgeons wear rubber gloves cutting through one shouldn't be difficult.

 

[Kid44]

Armor Piercing

I don't remember exactly when, but I think sometime in the early 1990s there was a mass shooting at a law office in, I think, San Francisco where the shooter used Winchester Black Talon ammunition in a TEC-9. Some news stories were referring to it as armor piercing. The name also had racial connotations. Winchester changed the name to "Ranger Law Enforcement" thereafter.

Anytime a reporter that knows absolutely nothing about guns hears the words, armor piercing, cop killer bullet, exploding bullet,
fragmenting bullet and the list goes on and on they take those words and runs with them. The rest of the media picks up on them and does the same thing. Pretty soon a .22 long rifle bullet is perceived as an armor piercing, cop killing exploding bullet.

 

[ContinentalOp]

Seeing how surgeons wear rubber gloves cutting through one shouldn't be difficult.

so could broken bones, something surgeons should be aware of with any trauma. It's part of the business when sticking one's hands inside a human body.

 

[Walter Rego]

I used to buy any Nyclad .38 Special + P or .357 ammo from S&W or Federal that I saw for sale at gun shows. It's all good stuff, especially the .38 FBI loads.
A couple of years ago a box of .38 could be had for $15 and .357 for $20. In today's crazy world ? I suppose people would pay $50 for the .357. A fair price would be $30.