NYPD 3983
Great Piece Jim. Thanks for showing it to me.
Great Piece Jim. Thanks for showing it to me.
NYPD 3983 Prototype- UPDATED to: Where Are the Other Five?
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Sorry, but been down under with the Flu and a follow up severe sinus infection- I was finally able to get the purchase document and bring the pistol home for a closer look.
Nothing really new to report. The pistol is as reported pristine and shows evidence of little or any handling/shooting.
The check is in the mail for a Letter from Roy and I'm really hoping it sheds some light on the background of these reportedly ten guns. In the meantime, the most updated information I have is from the seller, who advised me that he " Got the gun from a retired S&W employee "…
Hopefully RM Vivas will come along with something more.
Nothing really new to report. The pistol is as reported pristine and shows evidence of little or any handling/shooting.
The check is in the mail for a Letter from Roy and I'm really hoping it sheds some light on the background of these reportedly ten guns. In the meantime, the most updated information I have is from the seller, who advised me that he " Got the gun from a retired S&W employee "…
Hopefully RM Vivas will come along with something more.
kbm6893
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Double strike seems to have been a requirement. Looking at the differences between the 3983 prototypes and the 3914DAO production gun I think it's likely that cost was a factor.
I suppose that I can hope and wish that S&W would produce a 3983 like pistol, but it's less likely than me hitting the Mega Millions tomorrow night.
I don't believe double strike was a requirement. The duty 5946's did not have double strike, and they had the mag disconnect removed. The 3953 TSW I bought from a retired NYPD cop does not have double strike and the mag disconnect is still present. The 3914DAO had the double strike, because it was just a standard 3914 with the safety removed and the single action notch removed. They could have done the same to a 5906 and made that our duty weapon if they wanted double strike. That's what Sig did with their 226 NYPD model. Just a standard 226 with the decocker removed and double action only. Double strike all day long.
I don't know why they even authorized the 3953 and the 3914DAO. The 3983 seemed to be the best of both worlds.
And I can't see how cost would have factored in. We bought our own off duty guns, so the cost was on the individual officer, not the department.
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Good stuff, thanks.
I agree that the 3983 was the best of all variations. They could have called it the "3913 perfected."
As previously stated, if S&W brought that out today, they'd sell a lot of them.
I agree that the 3983 was the best of all variations. They could have called it the "3913 perfected."
As previously stated, if S&W brought that out today, they'd sell a lot of them.
kbm6893
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Good stuff, thanks.
I agree that the 3983 was the best of all variations. They could have called it the "3913 perfected."
As previously stated, if S&W brought that out today, they'd sell a lot of them.
Indeed. They managed to redesign the Shield to hold 10 rounds and not change the specs of the original Shield. A 10 shot 3983 would immediately negate my need for any of my many small carry guns. I'd sell them all immediately. I'd take it in either variation, TDA or DAO. I really like my 3953 TSW. It's an early one with 7 round mags. A 10 round model would be perfection for me.
kbm6893
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Yep. Starting bid of 5 grand.
The NYPD proved they like longer/stiffer triggers with the NY-1 trigger spring for Glocks. I wonder if the 3953 was less appealing because of the "pre-cocked" nature of it's DAO giving a shorter trigger pull.
Adding the sear notch for the precook position is what takes away double-strike capability. So you get one or the other, not both.
I'd bet the NYPD didn't specify double-strike; it just naturally appears with the longer non-pre-cock trigger pull using stock parts.
Adding the sear notch for the precook position is what takes away double-strike capability. So you get one or the other, not both.
I'd bet the NYPD didn't specify double-strike; it just naturally appears with the longer non-pre-cock trigger pull using stock parts.
WTN1271
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There's a few more currently listed on the big auction site if anyone is interested AND has deep pockets. S&W sure made a lot of variants in the 3rd generation line up.
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WTN1271,
Thanks for the response, but Heymatt beat you to it by a handful of days; but it is very excellent to see that our own RM Vivas is in the hunt!
kbm6893
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I agree. If they wanted double strike they could have just had Smith convert the 5906 to DAO like they did with the 3914DAO. The 5946 had that pre-cocked trigger and that was the authorized duty pistol. I just can't figure out their rationale. They offered the early 3953 TSW with 7 round mag, then the later 3953 with 8 round mag, the 3914DAO, and I am 99% sure there was a 908 authorized, too. I remember the black model was a cheaper option to the 3953. The 3983 checks all the boxes and would have been the best of them all. Cost was not a factor. The cops paid for the guns themselves.
And by the way, as someone who now owns an early 3953 with the 7 round mag, and later 3953 with 8 round mags, I can attest to the fact that the 3953 TSW with 7 round mags does conceal better and carry better. The 3953 is not hard to conceal, but there is no question my 3953 TSW carries easier. If someone is really hung up on one round then I guess they wouldn't want it, but as someone who carried a 5 shot revolver, having 8 total rounds in the TSW is a big improvement. Yeah, the micro 9's of today have surpassed it, but for those who still prefer a hammer, the 3953 is still a top notch choice.
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LVSteve
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This thread is a good reminder of why we don't allow links to live auctions. It's a good rule.
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CONGRATULATIONS to RM Vivas! Now we know where 50% of the NYPD 3983 pistols are!
Hopefully he'll find the time in his busy research to post up and show off 001, 002 and 003!
Couldn't think of a better home for those pistols. Well done Robert.
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RM Vivas
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Oy, I can't believe what I just did.
However, demkofour and I now own %50 of the entire production.
I have (or will have) #1, 2,3 & 9. demkofour has #10 and the seller states he also sold #6 and #8.
For anyone who wants to join the hunt for the Lost Children (#'s 4,5 &7), good luck!
I see a tremendous amount of research in my future as well as a likely collaboration with demkofour (we'll talk...) on what is almost sure to be an award winning display at the next SWCA show.
There is --so-- much overtime in my future!
However, demkofour and I now own %50 of the entire production.
I have (or will have) #1, 2,3 & 9. demkofour has #10 and the seller states he also sold #6 and #8.
For anyone who wants to join the hunt for the Lost Children (#'s 4,5 &7), good luck!
I see a tremendous amount of research in my future as well as a likely collaboration with demkofour (we'll talk...) on what is almost sure to be an award winning display at the next SWCA show.
There is --so-- much overtime in my future!
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Oy, I can't believe what I just did.
However, demkofour and I now own %50 of the entire production.
I have (or will have) #1, 2,3 & 9. demkofour has #10 and the seller states he also sold #6 and #8.
For anyone who wants to join the hunt for the Lost Children (#'s 4,5 &7), good luck!
I see a tremendous amount of research in my future as well as a likely collaboration with demkofour (we'll talk...) on what is almost sure to be an award winning display at the next SWCA show.
There is --so-- much overtime in my future!
Congratulations! I stopped bidding against you at $6700. Enjoy the collection!
Cheers!!!
David
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Oy, I can't believe what I just did.
However, demkofour and I now own %50 of the entire production.
I have (or will have) #1, 2,3 & 9. demkofour has #10 and the seller states he also sold #6 and #8.
For anyone who wants to join the hunt for the Lost Children (#'s 4,5 &7), good luck!
I see a tremendous amount of research in my future as well as a likely collaboration with demkofour (we'll talk...) on what is almost sure to be an award winning display at the next SWCA show.
There is --so-- much overtime in my future!
Congratulations Robert, and honored to help in any way!
RM Vivas
US Veteran
Thank you for the kind words. (tip of hat)
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This is a significant addition to the 3913 story. Besides the history of the guns, how the seller acquired them would be interesting as well.
And I'll repeat what I wrote previously. This is the 3rd Gen that S&W should make now.
And I'll repeat what I wrote previously. This is the 3rd Gen that S&W should make now.
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