TNDixieGirl
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Obama's Birth Certificate
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Spotteddog
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BTW,
Really beautiful eyes!
Really beautiful eyes!
shortranger
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Indeed. There is nothing false about the ways in which Obama differs from those who are criticizing him. The great American middle has considered and heeded, and are now protesting what they have come to understand is a President who has built his entire life and political career on characterizing his opponents as "others." His only real skill is in allowing his supporters to insert their own definition of "others."
I agree that we should concentrate on obvious matters such as budget excesses and the attempted government control of everything within reach, but I also think that we must continue to spend some time pointing out how different Obama is from most of the people who were duped into voting for him. People want a leader who represents their interests, their culture, their day-to-day lives. Obama does not do that, and the more people who see it that way, the fewer supporters he will have. The same can be said of Congresscritters and their totally alien Beltway mentality.
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Spotteddog,
I'm sorry if I offended you by referring to these attacks as "McCarthyite" and "Rovian." However, the label McCarthyite entered our political lexicon as a term describing fabricated charges or gross distortions of fact designed to create the impression that one's opponent harbors truly un-American beliefs. While I cannot think of a term better than McCarthyite for the thoroughly baseless charges that the President is not an American citizen, is a closet Muslim, practices voodoo, etc., I would be happy to use a descriptive term more to your liking if you will be so kind as to supply one.
As to Rovian, who will ever forget what Karl Rove did to John McCain in the 2000 South Carolina primary by spreading the lie that McCain's adopted daughter was the product of an out-of-wedlock interracial affair? I'm not even going to mention the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" smear 'ole Turd Blossom uncorked for the general election that year.
I apologize. I grew up at a time when Dwight Eisenhower ran twice and won two terms without lying about his opponent, without smearing people as to their patriotism, and without cheapening the political process in order to gain high office. I remain hopeful that one or more other people -- preferably Republican candidates for President and their senior staff -- will remember him as well.
Bullseye
I'm sorry if I offended you by referring to these attacks as "McCarthyite" and "Rovian." However, the label McCarthyite entered our political lexicon as a term describing fabricated charges or gross distortions of fact designed to create the impression that one's opponent harbors truly un-American beliefs. While I cannot think of a term better than McCarthyite for the thoroughly baseless charges that the President is not an American citizen, is a closet Muslim, practices voodoo, etc., I would be happy to use a descriptive term more to your liking if you will be so kind as to supply one.
As to Rovian, who will ever forget what Karl Rove did to John McCain in the 2000 South Carolina primary by spreading the lie that McCain's adopted daughter was the product of an out-of-wedlock interracial affair? I'm not even going to mention the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" smear 'ole Turd Blossom uncorked for the general election that year.
I apologize. I grew up at a time when Dwight Eisenhower ran twice and won two terms without lying about his opponent, without smearing people as to their patriotism, and without cheapening the political process in order to gain high office. I remain hopeful that one or more other people -- preferably Republican candidates for President and their senior staff -- will remember him as well.
Bullseye
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shortranger
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I remember Ike, and saw him campaigning with Nixon during a school field trip. It wasn't until years later that I found out (or was capable of understanding) the controversy surrounding his failure to denounce Joe McCarthy for purely political reasons.
Was that a more polite time? Probably. Was there nasty politics going on behind the scenes? Probably. Was it reported in the news? Absolutely not.
So much has changed because of the advances in communications technologies. Whether we like it or not, we live in an age where public discourse is not going to be as polite as we might prefer it to be.
David
Was that a more polite time? Probably. Was there nasty politics going on behind the scenes? Probably. Was it reported in the news? Absolutely not.
So much has changed because of the advances in communications technologies. Whether we like it or not, we live in an age where public discourse is not going to be as polite as we might prefer it to be.
David
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Heheheh. You did better than I did, David -- you got to see Eisenhower in person. My mother reported that at a stop in Des Moines during the 1948 campaign, when I was still an infant, I was kissed by one Harry S Truman. Perhaps that explains it! 
cmort666
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The problem with the last election was that people who haven't actually lived in Chicago have trouble understanding what the political culture is really all about. Imagine that Nathan Bedford Forrest, Robert Mugabe, Bernie Madoff, Al Capone, and Klaus Barbie sat down to create their ideal socio-political system.
I doubt that most of those who voted for Obama have even a clue for whom they voted and out of what political system he emerged. And have no doubt, the commercial media did everything humanly possible to make sure they didn't. Now it CAN'T be hidden and the poll numbers are the proof.
duckloads
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My thoughts.
JcMack
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My thought is Obama is an intelligent, well spoken, puppet. He and his wife, who also has all the credentials necessary to be a first lady, looked like (to all the sheeple) the answer to all the country's problems. During the latter part of the election his wife opened her mouth and showed her intention of being "Queen of the USA" (ala Hillary's early years). That action was quickly quashed by what must have been a "shut your mouth till we win" order from above. Living close to Hyde Park and occasionally working there I can tell you the University of Chicago is the Black hole of Liberality, and controls the area like the thought police. Obama owes everybody in the Democratic system "a big ol favor". We are gonna pay
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shortranger
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Agree absolutely. I would simplify it even further than that, and say that people who aren't politicians simply can't comprehend that a complete lack of moral and ethical standards is necessary to becoming a successful politician. Most of us share a common standard of what is right and what is wrong, even if we cannot clearly articulate why we think that. Our standards are a product of our culture and upbringing, and most of us would balk at having to compromise ourselves enough to make the political deals necessary to gain that power.
More cynically, I cannot help but wonder why people will support someone on the assumption that he will lie to everyone else but never to them.
David
Spotteddog
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Precisely as the gentlemen described. (And I AM from Chicago!)
Going back to when it's present mayor's Father, was mayor for life.
Everyones only beginning to wake up to what they've done...
Going back to when it's present mayor's Father, was mayor for life.
Everyones only beginning to wake up to what they've done...
oldRoger
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Sorry I disagree with the premises
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While I agree that POTUS is a US Citizen, I would not use factcheck.org as an authority.
"Factcheck.org is a respected non-partisan political research organization founded by Walter Annenberg's foundation. Annenberg founded TV Guide and was a close friend of Ronald and Nancy Reagan. Hardly the kind of guy who would have covered up this kind of thing, were it true, which it is not."
Walter Annenberg was a conservative (died 2002), his foundation like the Ford Foundation was long ago hijacked by liberals. Factcheck.org is in fact run by former Clinton staffers & funded by G. Soros and now is totally in bed with the Obama administration. It was established to whitewash Hillary.
The Annenberg School (USC) is one of the leading producers of left wing journalists in the country.
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While I agree that POTUS is a US Citizen, I would not use factcheck.org as an authority.
"Factcheck.org is a respected non-partisan political research organization founded by Walter Annenberg's foundation. Annenberg founded TV Guide and was a close friend of Ronald and Nancy Reagan. Hardly the kind of guy who would have covered up this kind of thing, were it true, which it is not."
Walter Annenberg was a conservative (died 2002), his foundation like the Ford Foundation was long ago hijacked by liberals. Factcheck.org is in fact run by former Clinton staffers & funded by G. Soros and now is totally in bed with the Obama administration. It was established to whitewash Hillary.
The Annenberg School (USC) is one of the leading producers of left wing journalists in the country.
Spotteddog
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Roger,
Any truth to the rumor that Annenberg was buried laying on his left side by the ghouls that pillaged his endowment? Or if not, was it just because that they hadn't thought of it prior to burial?
Any truth to the rumor that Annenberg was buried laying on his left side by the ghouls that pillaged his endowment? Or if not, was it just because that they hadn't thought of it prior to burial?
I don't fully understand this continued use of "McCarthyism" and "McCarthyite." Didn't the Venona papers prove him right?
There are several racially and religiously offensive verbs and adjectives in the language that have very clear meanings independent of their offensiveness, and, like most stereotypes and slurs, have at least a slight factual basis, yet we don't use them. Why do people continue to slander Senator McCarthy when the basis is completely false?
There are several racially and religiously offensive verbs and adjectives in the language that have very clear meanings independent of their offensiveness, and, like most stereotypes and slurs, have at least a slight factual basis, yet we don't use them. Why do people continue to slander Senator McCarthy when the basis is completely false?
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The OP cannot delete a thread. Mods can.
I deleted it.
Politics are actually banned on this board, except as they pertain to the 2nd Amendment- in THAT forum.
We have let a lot of politics slide lately dur to the tough times and all the issues flying around us.
However, this is a gun forum.
The Lounge is for relaxing, and many people tell me the increase in political topics is getting irksome.
It is also not generally acceptable to publish all the latest sensational news stories here. This is not a news board.
So, most of the general political stuff will not be allowed now.
My regard for FactCheck has gone to zero. I am disappointed in them. Their analysis of the birth certificate question is empty rhetoric.
They show pictures of a piece of paper provided by an Obama campaign flack, and argue that it is genuine because it resembles an official Hawaiian document and has names, dates, folds, embossed seal, rubber stamped signature, etc.
One may view other several other official-looking birth certificate documents on the internet with similar folds, seals, signatures, etc., that purport to be from Kenya or wherever.
I don't believe any of them. Not a one. They are all worthless, every last one of them, including the one from Obama's campaign, because they have no provenance.
Now if someone were to file an affidavit swearing under penalty of perjury that the Obama campaign document is legitimate, I might give it more credence. But until that happens, it is a worthless piece of paper like the rest. FactCheck.org should know this.
We are told that the original birth certificate is locked up in the Hawaii Department of Health. What does it say? We don't know. Neither does FactCheck.org. They should shut up until they have the facts, and not insult their readers with naive blathering masquerading as truth.
They show pictures of a piece of paper provided by an Obama campaign flack, and argue that it is genuine because it resembles an official Hawaiian document and has names, dates, folds, embossed seal, rubber stamped signature, etc.
One may view other several other official-looking birth certificate documents on the internet with similar folds, seals, signatures, etc., that purport to be from Kenya or wherever.
I don't believe any of them. Not a one. They are all worthless, every last one of them, including the one from Obama's campaign, because they have no provenance.
Now if someone were to file an affidavit swearing under penalty of perjury that the Obama campaign document is legitimate, I might give it more credence. But until that happens, it is a worthless piece of paper like the rest. FactCheck.org should know this.
We are told that the original birth certificate is locked up in the Hawaii Department of Health. What does it say? We don't know. Neither does FactCheck.org. They should shut up until they have the facts, and not insult their readers with naive blathering masquerading as truth.
sipowicz
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When the media wants to paint the right as racist nutjobs they show the birthers screaming for the certificate at town hall meetings...if they are gonna shoot at us, let's not load their guns.
It indeed constitutes corroborative circumstantial evidence, but it could have been submitted by someone in Kenya or Kalamazoo, like an Engagement Announcement. And it also has no provenance, so it is not reliable.
Reliable evidence exists. It only needs a single letter from the White House to be released. But just the opposite has occurred. Many thousands of dollars of legal fees have been expended to keep it sealed. WHY???
He doesn't have a birth certificate, just a sorry note from the US Rubber Company.
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