Off duty officers banned from carrying at New York State Fair...

I agree. But 1 thru 13 have less than 1% chance of getting shot at . . .

I'm not going to debate this. The above responses are duly noted . . .

You'd be amazed at the number of ag planes that receive fire every season. Sometimes it's a pot grower upset that you might spray his crop, sometimes it's a disgruntled drunk, and sometimes it's just a kid screwing around.

But each instance means a risk of being shot, and or crashing and or burning to death in the wreckage.

Whether you want to debate it or not the fact is that being a law enforcement officer is a lot less risky than many would want us to believe and they are not the only folks getting shot at.
 
I note a hint of sarcasm…
They do take an oath, but don't expect a lot of support from law enforcement when you hang them out to dry. This recent anti-police sentiment, especially by misguided officials, isn't without consequence.

No less a legal authority than the US Supreme Court has stated that the police have no obligation to protect you. In recent years this has been borne out by the newsworthy actions of police officers where the police stand by and observe while bad things happen or when they just up and leave rather than get involved.
 
This is a statement, not an entree to a debate. I live in cotton country. Ag planes fly over my home daily. Until they moved to Walnut Ridge, Ag Cats were produced just down the road. I understand agricultural aviation . . .

You'd be amazed at the number of ag planes that receive fire every season. Sometimes it's a pot grower upset that you might spray his crop, sometimes it's a disgruntled drunk, and sometimes it's just a kid screwing around.

But each instance means a risk of being shot, and or crashing and or burning to death in the wreckage.

Whether you want to debate it or not the fact is that being a law enforcement officer is a lot less risky than many would want us to believe and they are not the only folks getting shot at.
 
Go look at the actual data on officers assaulted and resulting injuries. Contrary to the folklore from the apologists for the criminally feral, cops kill a TINY percentage of those they could - maybe 1000 a year of the 18K who could be. Unlike other occupations that are dangerous (farming, logging, etc.), cops are mandated to go deal with people who may be willing to kill the cop or another citizen to continue doing as they wish. LE is not a people pleasing business. It is a coercive compliance business that at its core involves hunting bad guys on the behalf of the rest of the population.

Today, 10 years after the end of that part of my life, I still avoid places that I would only go to in a squad car back in the day. I still am armed almost all of the time, and I don't generally don't go places where I cannot be armed. I also don't go to dumb places like west of Snoqualmie Pass unless forced to by work.

I hated working days as a cop because it is just awful. I worked mostly power shift (like 1600-0200). As a private citizen today, there is very little that gets me to leave the house after dark.
 
NY State Fair

I'm not surprised by the NY State fair commissions' reverse decision. The name of the game is MONEY! The old adage, 'Money talks and bullspit walks', fits this situation nicely. Off duty police officers have defended their rights with success.

Now to help stop more of anti-gun nerds' gun control, civilian fair visitors could sacrifice a bit, and boycott the fair, if need be, to insure the civil rights that they are due.

Chubbo
 
You'd be amazed at the number of ag planes that receive fire every season. Sometimes it's a pot grower upset that you might spray his crop, sometimes it's a disgruntled drunk, and sometimes it's just a kid screwing around.

But each instance means a risk of being shot, and or crashing and or burning to death in the wreckage.

Whether you want to debate it or not the fact is that being a law enforcement officer is a lot less risky than many would want us to believe and they are not the only folks getting shot at.
Would everyone just stop taking their "measurements"? I'm glad that the decision to allow off duty NY officers to carry at the fair was overturned. There's a good chance that many won't anyway.
 
This is a statement, not an entree to a debate. I live in cotton country. Ag planes fly over my home daily. Until they moved to Walnut Ridge, Ag Cats were produced just down the road. I understand agricultural aviation . . .

I like the Ag-Cat. It's easy to fly and takes care of the pilot in a crash better than most ag aircraft. Up until this season there had not been a fatality in an Ag-Cat in over a decade.

Unfortunately, my friend Petra was killed in one May 28th after she suffered an engine failure not long after takeoff, even though it had been modified with a turbine engine.

Given she was carrying a load of dry fertilizer the aircraft had a lot of drag from the spreader and a lot of weight that couldn't be quickly dumped. It impacted a ditch during the forced landing and she burned to death in the wreckage. I pray she was unconscious when that happened.

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The only Grumman Ag Cat ever produced by Grumman was the prototype. Grumman had Schweizer aircraft refine it and then contracted with Schweizer to build all of them, almost 2500 of them beginning in late 1958 until Grumman sold the rights to Schweizer in 1981.

Grumman had briefly cancelled the contract in 1978 when Grumman spun off it's civilian aircraft with its Gulfstream Aerospace Division, but contracted again with Schweizer when it found it would not be able to economically produce them at their facilities in Savanah GA.

Schweizer bought the design when Grumman got out of the light plane business, but by the early 1990s saw the market for them and it's overall market share declining sharply. They sold the type certificate and tooling to the Ag Cat Corporation in Missouri in 1995.

Ag Cat Corp built a small number of new aircraft (5 are still on the registry) and continued to support the Ag Cat fleet until they sold the design and tooling to Allied Ag Cat Productions in Walnut Ridge in 2001.

The Allied Ag Cat Productions name is a bit of a reach given that they never actually produced any new aircraft. They do however rebuild old aircraft to order and provide FAA/PMA approved parts support for the Ag Cats still working.

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Schweizer Aircraft itself merged with Sikorsky and mismanagement by the folks Sikorsky assigned to ease the transition of the company from Schweizer to Sikorsky killed it.

"Flying with the Schweizers" is a good read that does a good job of illustrating what made American business and industry great and how it all went south beginning in the 1980s as American business and finance transitioned to a focus on stock value and ever larger profits, rather than on actual production, quality or R&D.
 
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I swear, at this point I'm beginning to think that New York is run by evil politicians who want shootings to occur just so that they can use it to validate their anti-gun agenda.

New Yorkers really need to band together and get these jokers out of office.
 
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Interesting tangential factoid: For many years in Kentucky (pre-permitless carry) the statute governing concealed carry banned doing so at facilities operated by the State Fair Board. Then someone pointed out that the legislature was prohibited by our state constitution from regulating *open* carry, and the law quietly went away. Seems they'd rather guns be unseen than on display.
 
State fairs are a ripoff in most places any more. I know the one here in AZ has become a magnet for gangs after dark, too. I'll leave the "looking for trouble" to the working cops and the wannabe gangsters.
 
Why don't you guys go pick on the free state of Arizoner for a while, where parents trying to protect their little children are tazed, disarmed and thrown in jail. I'll take the NY state Fair over that any stinkin day of the week!!!!!

MSN
 
NY State not fairing to well with the recent high profile attempted assassination of a Republican candidate for governor and Salman Rushdie who had a bounty on his head. In both cases edged weapons were used not firearms. If NY can't provide adequate security for these two well known individuals the average person doesn't stand a chance.
 
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