Beaver
Member
I usually load #6's if I can. It's just gotta hurt. beaver.
OK, so what do you FEED that self defense shottie?
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VAdoublegunner
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Whatever is handy. It's a shotgun, inside the house; anything works for SD. I like to mix it up a little and surprise 'em.
To tell the truth, in all the excitement I'm not sure what I may have loaded...could be buck, could be slug, could be birdshot, could be rocksalt....so, do you feel lucky? <sound of 870 racking...>
To tell the truth, in all the excitement I'm not sure what I may have loaded...could be buck, could be slug, could be birdshot, could be rocksalt....so, do you feel lucky? <sound of 870 racking...>
fat tom
Absent Comrade
3" #1 buckshot.
f.t.
f.t.
#1 buck, and 00.
this article has some good info about which shells are best for HD
http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs10.htm
this article has some good info about which shells are best for HD
http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs10.htm
Faulkner
Member
I don't have any self defense "shottie's".
I do keep my Mossberg 590 shotgun loaded with Remington LE 8 pellet 00 buckshot.
I do keep my Mossberg 590 shotgun loaded with Remington LE 8 pellet 00 buckshot.
mjr
Member
Thank you, Faulkner. That is one irritating term. It's just so precious that it's hard to imagine any man using it with a straight face.Originally posted by Faulkner:
I don't have any self defense "shottie's".
Wheelgunner840
Member
ParadiseRoad,
Thanks for the link. For decades, I always thought that #4 was, well......#4, and buckshot was either O-buck, OO-buck, or OOO-buck.
I just may have to pick up some #2 or #4 buckshot. Seems like a happy medium.
Appreciate the info.
WG840
Thanks for the link. For decades, I always thought that #4 was, well......#4, and buckshot was either O-buck, OO-buck, or OOO-buck.
I just may have to pick up some #2 or #4 buckshot. Seems like a happy medium.
Appreciate the info.
WG840
orion1
Member
2 3/4" #4 buckshot in an 870. If that doesn't stop them at close range it's time to switch to silver bullets
glypnir
Member
#3 buckshot, since it's the biggest buckshot I can find for the 20 gauge.
29aholic
Member
4 Buck=27 pellets...big enough to get the job done but wont over penetrate in the house
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reerc
Member
Originally posted by mjr:
Thank you, Faulkner. That is one irritating term. It's just so precious that it's hard to imagine any man using it with a straight face.Originally posted by Faulkner:
I don't have any self defense "shottie's".
I didn't realize that was such an offensive term. I went to edit the original post, but doing so would reset the poll results. Maybe we could get Lee to add it to the list of banned words.
ParadiseRoad
Member
...maybe they all dance the Schottische...
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mjr
Member
reerc, for all I know, Faulkner and I are the only two on the board who don't like the term. But if you really tried to edit the original post, thanks!
Originally posted by Faulkner:
I don't have any self defense "shottie's".
I do keep my Mossberg 590 shotgun loaded with Remington LE 8 pellet 00 buckshot.
I tend to agree here too. The only thing I dislike about the well known rimfire site is the constant reference to Leupies, Mossys, Remmys, Bushys, Winnies etc etc.
However I enjoyed this thread. Thanks.
I just have to comment here: I have been carrying weapons professionally for just short of 46 years now, in all possibe scenarios, military, LE, instructor, contractor etc...
I have always tried to have a shotgun in the mix because they are great for close in work-like HD, or defending a fixed post in heavy cover, or, or, or.
Now to get to ammo. I have seen some truly scary comments above:
1. Birdshot is for the birds, it will leave a large shallow wound which may be disfiguring, but it may not be lethal. Just what you do NOT want, a disfigured wounded felon to sue you later, or to kill you because he was not stopped.
2. Buckshot is designed for animals of medium size, like large deer, now what or who does that sound like? Select the type of buck you feel is good for your situation from #1 on up it will do well. So will slugs, again dependent on you physical layout.
3. NEVER, NEVER mix loads in your magazine. The pros have enough trouble trying to remember what was up first, what is up now and so forth. To the point that virtually ALL military/LE organizations prohibit mixing loads in the mag. Some even prohibit carrying different loads on the person. Some exceptions are made for SWAT or other hyper trained personnel, but even they are prohibited from mixing loads in the mag. Why? Because after any fatal shooting there are 2 legal aftermaths, criminal and civil. The criminal investigation usually dosen't bother anyone whose heart was in the right place. BUT the civil suit will give one fits. You do not want to be saying whay one load was more or less deadly than another, and why you had those loads mixed up in the mag, there is no way you can come out of those questions looking good-and it is the BGs lawyers job to make you look bad.
And for Gods own sake. NEVER use less lethal ammo, or ammo that you may think is less lethal because if it produces a lethal result, your legal goose is cooked-at least at the civil trial. Using less lethal ammo lethally just screams negliegence-which is what the lawyer for the plaintiff wants.
You should not care if the BG is dead or not, as long as he is stopped, but a dead BG is far better for the shootere legally. Only one story, limits on damages in many states, AND you do not have to explain why he was so badly disfigured or maimed for life by your "unique" ammo selection.
I have always tried to have a shotgun in the mix because they are great for close in work-like HD, or defending a fixed post in heavy cover, or, or, or.
Now to get to ammo. I have seen some truly scary comments above:
1. Birdshot is for the birds, it will leave a large shallow wound which may be disfiguring, but it may not be lethal. Just what you do NOT want, a disfigured wounded felon to sue you later, or to kill you because he was not stopped.
2. Buckshot is designed for animals of medium size, like large deer, now what or who does that sound like? Select the type of buck you feel is good for your situation from #1 on up it will do well. So will slugs, again dependent on you physical layout.
3. NEVER, NEVER mix loads in your magazine. The pros have enough trouble trying to remember what was up first, what is up now and so forth. To the point that virtually ALL military/LE organizations prohibit mixing loads in the mag. Some even prohibit carrying different loads on the person. Some exceptions are made for SWAT or other hyper trained personnel, but even they are prohibited from mixing loads in the mag. Why? Because after any fatal shooting there are 2 legal aftermaths, criminal and civil. The criminal investigation usually dosen't bother anyone whose heart was in the right place. BUT the civil suit will give one fits. You do not want to be saying whay one load was more or less deadly than another, and why you had those loads mixed up in the mag, there is no way you can come out of those questions looking good-and it is the BGs lawyers job to make you look bad.
And for Gods own sake. NEVER use less lethal ammo, or ammo that you may think is less lethal because if it produces a lethal result, your legal goose is cooked-at least at the civil trial. Using less lethal ammo lethally just screams negliegence-which is what the lawyer for the plaintiff wants.
You should not care if the BG is dead or not, as long as he is stopped, but a dead BG is far better for the shootere legally. Only one story, limits on damages in many states, AND you do not have to explain why he was so badly disfigured or maimed for life by your "unique" ammo selection.
flop-shank
US Veteran
Winchester 2 3/4" slugs in the Ithaca in case of a hostage scenario. Remnington 2 3/4" OO in the 870. AKAOV1MAN, great post.
Faulkner
Member
Originally posted by reerc:
Originally posted by mjr:
Thank you, Faulkner. That is one irritating term. It's just so precious that it's hard to imagine any man using it with a straight face.Originally posted by Faulkner:
I don't have any self defense "shottie's".
I didn't realize that was such an offensive term. I went to edit the original post, but doing so would reset the poll results. Maybe we could get Lee to add it to the list of banned words.
Hey, no problem, no offense taken. The term just seems, well, kind of mushy.
Otherwise, lots of good info on this thread.
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reerc
Member
Thanks to all who contributed to this thread, I hope others (besides just lil' ol' me) learned something.
If you missed it, this: http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs10.htm is a very informative article, thanks jughed440.
If you missed it, this: http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs10.htm is a very informative article, thanks jughed440.
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