tomf52
Member
While I don't like the look of the square guards I have big hands and they work well for me and the five or six other guys I shoot with. We all put our off hand index fingers on the front of the guards, even on revolvers.
OK, what's this about square triggger guards
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george minze
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This CZ83 kind of addresses both styles. The older CZ82 had a oval trigger guard with no hook and looked better to me.
That is one heck of a nice looking CZ...Even with the semi squared off trigger guard......Very Nice
george minze
Member
Since Glock has kept the hook on their guns. it must be a GREAT thing. A boon to mankind so to speak.
I think that glock doesn't care if we like the trigger guard or not..Like they don't care about the cant of the grip....They have the police market just about to themselves so why change. That must be their theory or they would change at least the trigger guard...many have been rounded off if they are private owned pistols. If department pistols...don't think I would try that....Most departments really don't have a sense of humor about things like that.
SgtLumpy
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David R
Member
I was taught to shoot with my left index finger on the trigger guard for shooting double action. It works for me any way I shoot 2 handed double or single action, semi or revolver. Curved or square guard, my finger is there. It gives me a better hold of the gun. I have big hands.
If there is a better way, please show me.
David
If there is a better way, please show me.
David
Rastoff
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OK, maybe someone does. Even so, better recoil control is had by putting that finger under the trigger guard. Why? Because you have more effective strength with that finger curled in a shorter radius than stretched out on the trigger guard.
In the long run the only right answer is where your bullets go. If you are hitting the intended target, in the intended time, then I care not how you hold the gun. In my limited experience, people do better with this grip:
I'm not saying it's impossible, but I've never met a person who actually shot better with the finger on the trigger guard. I have met several who said they shot better that way. A little instruction, and work with their grip, and every one has shot better with the grip pictured above. However, just like Arnold Palmer's golf swing, there's always an exception.
george minze
Member
OK, maybe someone does. Even so, better recoil control is had by putting that finger under the trigger guard. Why? Because you have more effective strength with that finger curled in a shorter radius than stretched out on the trigger guard.
In the long run the only right answer is where your bullets go. If you are hitting the intended target, in the intended time, then I care not how you hold the gun. In my limited experience, people do better with this grip:
I'm not saying it's impossible, but I've never met a person who actually shot better with the finger on the trigger guard. I have met several who said they shot better that way. A little instruction, and work with their grip, and every one has shot better with the grip pictured above. However, just like Arnold Palmer's golf swing, there's always an exception.
Kobra Carry ??? Some holster wear....Novak sites, looks deburred,Looks like a real carry piece..Who makes it? I'll admit I never heard of it but looks good...Inquiring minds want to know?? Whoops just learned Brown Kobra, no wonder it looks like a carry piece..
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Rastoff
US Veteran
Yes, it's made by Ed Brown. And, yes, it's a carry gun and gets carried. It's my favorite handgun and gets used a lot.
The very first time I tried the finger on the trigger guard technique my groups tightened noticeably how is that not shooting better?
Rastoff
US Veteran
What's your point? You are the exception. Do you still shoot that way?
SgtLumpy
Member
The way I coach (any event) is to say "Try and hit the target" (or play the song, run the race etc). Then when analyzing the body mechanics of the athlete, I try and have SEVERAL different options to offer. "I find that with my finger here...". "Some people like their finger there...". "It doesn't work for me but I know a girl who puts her finger over there..." etc.
I consider it a disservice to tell a student "You will have better results if you adopt this method".
"Better recoil control" might NOT be had by that very same method that you suggest WILL be had. In that case, the coach, acting as and advocate, would be doing his job by recommending they do what works, no matter how it's worked for the extremely limited number of samples that coach has had contact with in the past.
I like to use the YouTube guy with NO arms that shoots with his feet as an example. Coach THAT guy on how to improve and you're forced to focus on results, not on history of other athletes.
Sgt Lumpy
Maybe I didn't understand what you were asking from what I read you were saying that people don't really shoot better that way they just think they do but my groups did noticeably tighten up.
I do still shoot that way, it works why not?
I have RA and have found that the forefinger on the front of the trigger guard helps steady the trembles, at least for deliberate shots. Didn't note much different in rapid fire, probably because it was difficult to keep my finger on the guard.
OP
Doesn't the left hand
Doesn't the left hand interfere with the operation of the slide with that grip?
OK, maybe someone does. Even so, better recoil control is had by putting that finger under the trigger guard. Why? Because you have more effective strength with that finger curled in a shorter radius than stretched out on the trigger guard.
In the long run the only right answer is where your bullets go. If you are hitting the intended target, in the intended time, then I care not how you hold the gun. In my limited experience, people do better with this grip:
I'm not saying it's impossible, but I've never met a person who actually shot better with the finger on the trigger guard. I have met several who said they shot better that way. A little instruction, and work with their grip, and every one has shot better with the grip pictured above. However, just like Arnold Palmer's golf swing, there's always an exception.
Doesn't the left hand interfere with the operation of the slide with that grip?
David R
Member
I also lock my thumbs together. Not like the picture above.
Finger on the trigger guard keeps the gun lower in the hand?
Point your index finger where you want to shoot?
Sitting here, put my left index finger below the trigger guard, the gun points to the sky. On the guard it points where I am looking. This is still with my thumbs locked together.
This also allows my right middle finger to be right below the trigger guard. Gun lower in the hand? Closer to the bore axis?
I think I got a hold of that somebitch. Its a gun.
Its how I shoot my Beretta 21a, up to my Ruger Super Red Hawk 44.
Do as you wish.
Finger on the trigger guard keeps the gun lower in the hand?
Point your index finger where you want to shoot?
Sitting here, put my left index finger below the trigger guard, the gun points to the sky. On the guard it points where I am looking. This is still with my thumbs locked together.
This also allows my right middle finger to be right below the trigger guard. Gun lower in the hand? Closer to the bore axis?
I think I got a hold of that somebitch. Its a gun.
Its how I shoot my Beretta 21a, up to my Ruger Super Red Hawk 44.
Do as you wish.
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Rastoff
US Veteran
Maybe I wasn't clear before. Let me try again...
The index finger is stronger when curled rather than straight out as it would be while on the trigger guard. This is a fact. It does not necessarily translate to better shooting.
The only thing that matters is hitting the intended target in the prescribed amount of time. How you do that is irrelevant. Ever seen Arnold Palmer's golf swing? Anyone want to tell him he's doing it wrong? His results speak for themselves.
As an instructor it is my goal to help shooters do the best they can. No two of us are exactly the same. If I see a student that is struggling to shoot better, I will ask them to try different things. It has been my experience that when they try the grip I pictured above, their groups have improved. I have yet to meet a student that didn't improve when using that grip.
At no time have I even suggested that there is only one way to do things. If that's how my previous posts read, then I'll chalk that up to my limited writing skills.
So, if you actually shoot better with your finger out there on the trigger guard, press on.
The index finger is stronger when curled rather than straight out as it would be while on the trigger guard. This is a fact. It does not necessarily translate to better shooting.
The only thing that matters is hitting the intended target in the prescribed amount of time. How you do that is irrelevant. Ever seen Arnold Palmer's golf swing? Anyone want to tell him he's doing it wrong? His results speak for themselves.
As an instructor it is my goal to help shooters do the best they can. No two of us are exactly the same. If I see a student that is struggling to shoot better, I will ask them to try different things. It has been my experience that when they try the grip I pictured above, their groups have improved. I have yet to meet a student that didn't improve when using that grip.
At no time have I even suggested that there is only one way to do things. If that's how my previous posts read, then I'll chalk that up to my limited writing skills.
So, if you actually shoot better with your finger out there on the trigger guard, press on.
Rastoff
US Veteran
No, not at all. The shooting hand(left hand) is as high as it can get. This helps control recoil.Doesn't the left hand interfere with the operation of the slide with that grip?
LVSteve
Member
He is only the exception if you believe everything spouted by certain handgun writers. People have different shaped hands and there is a grip/trigger finger style that works for them. This definitely applies to me. Would it get me yelled at by most police and military instructors? Quite likely, but given I am neither I will shoot in the way that is best for me, which to many is too much trigger finger.
As for hooking the trigger guard, it's something I have not tried. With my funky hands, maybe I should.
Abbynormal
Member
Kiss the 1980' and 90's good bye!
Glock STILL has the square trigger guard and so does Sig and I don't understand why.
The round works better.
Glock STILL has the square trigger guard and so does Sig and I don't understand why.
The round works better.
pmosley
Member
Excepting for the square trigger guard ,there would be no:
4506 no dash
3904
3906
Or 6944
Ok, so the 6944 came in round trigger guard as well but I've never seen one.
4506 no dash
3904
3906
Or 6944
Ok, so the 6944 came in round trigger guard as well but I've never seen one.
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