Old Police Rifles

[Joe Kent]

Craig, how are we gonna deal with these young Texas Whippersnappers? They just got no respect for their more "seasoned" elders.

 

[35Rem]

SG-688

Good looking Model 8 and 81. That's for some serious police work.
Have you been to the Great Model 8 and 81 website?
The Great Model 8 & 81

 

[Joe Kent]

Any of our newer forum members have anything to add?

 

[Printman]

Only SOD had rifles-in the 70's and early 80's I carried a Remington 870 Folding Stock, S&W Model 10 on my hip and a S&W Model 36 flat latch in my coat. When the Jamaicans started carrying .45s, I added a Browning High Power in a Bianchi Shoulder holster under my nylon jacket. An old Sergeant once told me "the fastest reload is a second gun". I listened to him.

 

[Gary]

I have a real nice Winchester 07 that is engraved "Kentucky State Police" on the side of the receiver. It was built in the early 50s. I guess that Kentucky used them sometime after that time.

 

[n4zov]

I'm not a retired LEA, but back in the late 50's and early '60 local and state law enforcement agencies in Alabama received a lot of M1A1 folding stock carbines from military sources. Our local small town department had a case of the M1A1's and they sold a few to locals for $25 each. I ended up with one and it was absolutely new! About the same time the government gave or sold a lot or Remington M11 riot guns to LEA's in this area.

 

[greyhawk178]

We always carried an 870 in a carrier. The only time I used a rifle was during the riots of 1967~68. Carried a personal M-1 Carbine w/ bayonet.

 

[44fanatic]

Back when you could choose your own duty weapon (which also meant buy it), I carried a Colt Combat Elite 45ACP and a Marlin Camp carbine that used the same mags.
I actually switched to a revolver later on, a 629 Mountain gun and a Ruger 44 carbine. I always liked the idea of the same ammo for both guns. The good old days!

 

[akviper]

I started LE in the mid-70s. My first car gun was a personally owned H&K 93 until I moved to Alaska in 1977. I was issued a Colt M16A1 by the department but replaced it with a self purchased Colt SP1 sixteen inch carbine when Colt started making them. In 1984 the department issued those of us on the entry team H&K MP5s but I still carried the Colt SP1 for longer range situations.

I retired as chief in 2005. My last long gun issued was the original M16A1 I had in 1977 but it was refurbished with a collapsable stock and a flat top M4 14.5 inch upper. It was a tossup between the M4 and the MP5 as to my favorite.

 

[MKT]

Almost 25 years of duty...

We always had the 870, tested some of the auto loaders while teaching at the Academy but we never went to them, still running the 870's. And, as Bobcat pointed out, we had the 760 pump action .308, which only seemed the get drawn for duty during deer season. Hmmm

Later we obtained a number of M14's, with the happy switch disabled and soon those gave way to the Ruger Mini 14. The Mini 14's went away when we got a bunch of USMC Armory rebuild M16A1's and eventually those changed over to the M4 configuration. The rack in my Tahoe carries an 870 and my M4 with the happy switch that functions.

Every station had one MP-5 way back then and, again as Bobcat said, we got to qual with it once a year. I wish we still had them because I really liked the MP-5, smoothest 32 rounds in 3 seconds you ever ran through. The single MP-5 has been replaced at most stations by a fair quantity of UMP-40's. Nice, but no MP-5. I carry mine in a lock box in the back of my Tahoe.

And for the latest generation of agents we have the PLS, pepperball lauchers - like paintball guns, I mean they really are paintball guns. Up close a personal paintball guns (and these dang things hurt - we had to take hits during training. Its been well over a year since I was shot three times and I can still see the discoloration to my skin from the projectiles). If they want to reach out and pepper someone out to 250 yards we have the pepperball launcher on steroids, the FN-303.

 

[Joe Kent]

How about adding to this thread.

 

[THE PILGRIM]

Hi:
Seven Different Departments Issue:
Winchester Model 97 12ga.
Winchester Model 12 12ga.
Ithaca Model 37 12ga.
Remington Model 11 12ga.
Mossberg Model 590 12ga.
German MP-38 9mm SMG
M-1 Carbine
M-2 Carbine
1903A Remington
U.S. M3A1 .45cal SMG
Remington Model 760 .30/06
Marlin Model 336 30/30
Personal:
Ruger Folding Stock Mini-14 .223
Remington Model 721 .30/06 w/Scope
Remington Model 870 12ga w/Magazine Extention
Jimmy (LEO-45yrs)

That is quite a list of guns.
A Couple kind of standout.
Like the MP-38. Where did you use that? How many did you have and where did you get them?
And also, Where did you use the M3A-1?

 

[Cyrano]

This may not fit here, but I own a Colt Lightning pump rifle in .44 (something) that says SFPD. I think the were used around 1900, but not carried in the squad cars.

Probably 44-40, unless it was one of the large frame Colt Lightning Pump rifles that were chambered for those weird cartgrides for the Winchester Model 76. Even the 44-40s are VERY pricy nowadays.

 

[Cyrano]

We carry Winchester jacketed soft hollow points. This bullet allows you to stand up and take notice of the .30 carbine round and really turns it into a very capable one shot stopper.

Fortunately, we've never had to use it on a human, but I've taken several whitetail deer, a number of hogs, and downed a few bovin with it to good effect.

I've read a lot of Faulkner's posts. The more I read, the better I like him.

 

[Bat Guano]

DANG, this is an OLD, good thread!

I commandeered a confiscated Colt AR-15 for the trunk back around '83 or so. Then I picked up a very early CAR-15 which I kept until I retired. Sold it because I didn't think I'd have any need for it in the future.

Yeah, right.

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Well, I'm a young'un here, and don't have a lot to contribute to an "old guys" thread, but I'll show what I've got now.

My 16 inch 870 stays between the front seats, with this long gun in the trunk. The other two stay on my person.

I know the light and red dot sight aren't "old guy" tech, but they are worth their weight in gold, when I'm working. The other guys in my agency, for the most part, will be going to the range in a few weeks wito qualify with the best technology the 1960s have to offer, with iron-sighted M16A1s. I'm not complaining, because it's a long step up from nothing at all, and it's the best they are going to get. I was willing (and able) to provide my own, so this is what I work with.

 

[LaVistaBill]

Wow, this is an old thread, but I just saw it in the Lounge and thought I'd respond...When I entered on duty with the US Border Patrol in 1982 the official rifle to be carried on patrol was the Remington Model 760 pump in .308 Winchester. It had no special treatment and was no different than any seen being carried by a hunter after deer.

 

[Bat Guano]

Somewhere around here I have a service-wide inventory list, by make, model, and quantity, of all the INS/Border Patrol firearms as of 1974 or so.

Sometime around 1980 or so I heard that the bean counters had bought a bunch of Mossberg .308 rifles for the Patrol in lieu of the requested Remington 760s, to save a couple of bucks. The word was that they were JIB (junk in the box) and so bad they were never issued. The only one of the type I ever saw made Japanese Arisakas look good.

 

[jimmyj]

A true but humorous story:
In the late 1980 I went to a small rural county Sheriffs Department as a Patrol Deputy. I was issued a S&W Model 19, a Colt Model 1911A1, A Remington Model 870 (14" barrel) and a Marlin Model 336 .30/30.
Going to the firing range for qualifications:
On firing--
1.S&W Model 19,the rear sight adjustment screw broke off and the elevation went all the way up.
2. Colt Model 1911A1, went full auto
3. Remington Model 870 12 gauge- stock split at the pistol grip
4. Marlin Model 336- rear sight fell off

Returning to the office, I returned the issue "Firearms" and received permission to use my personal firearms.

 

[jimmyj]

Somewhere around here I have a service-wide inventory list, by make, model, and quantity, of all the INS/Border Patrol firearms as of 1974 or so.

Sometime around 1980 or so I heard that the bean counters had bought a bunch of Mossberg .308 rifles for the Patrol in lieu of the requested Remington 760s, to save a couple of bucks. The word was that they were JIB (junk in the box) and so bad they were never issued. The only one of the type I ever saw made Japanese Arisakas look good.

DESK BOUND COMMANDOS / BEAN COUNTERS strike again !