On Keeping Quiet

[oneounceload]

George Carlin:

"Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."

 

[BigBoy99]

I was in a store and this lady had a young boy with her. The boy had a red laser designator and was having a grand time pointing the laser at people and putting a red dot on their back or front. I asked the lady if she wanted to get her boy killed? She gave me a stupid looked and I told that if he put the red dot on a police officer, there would be a very good chance her boy would be shot. She made some crud and rude comments and said that would never happen and hustled her boy out of the store. Maybe she let him go play in the street!

 

[rhmc24]

I have my own problems I can't solve but I'll be happy to advise you on yours ---->

 

[Bat Guano]

Edmund Burke Nailed It...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke

Rajneesh Invasion Plaque – Antelope, Oregon
- Atlas Obscura

 

[hardcase60]

Just as a point of interest, I've been in law enforcement for 22 years and I've never seen a LEO carry a single action auto on duty.

I was about 20 yrs old dispatching on the day shift for a small PD. One morning a patrol officer carrying a "cocked & locked" 1911 was coming through a door from the holding cells into a hallway. That's when the hammer got bumped/caught under the door knob. The resulting unintentional discharge put a .45 slug in the officers thigh. He went to the floor screaming, the Lt. ran out of the break room screaming, the chief ran out of the day room screaming. It was chaos at high volume. That was my first experience with an officer involved shooting. Now mostly it's non uniformed officers you see carrying .45's that way but every time I think back 40+ years to that incident. hardcase60

 

[sousana]

I was about 20 yrs old dispatching on the day shift for a small PD. One morning a patrol officer carrying a "cocked & locked" 1911 was coming through a door from the holding cells into a hallway. That's when the hammer got bumped/caught under the door knob. The resulting unintentional discharge put a .45 slug in the officers thigh. He went to the floor screaming, the Lt. ran out of the break room screaming, the chief ran out of the day room screaming. It was chaos at high volume. That was my first experience with an officer involved shooting. Now mostly it's non uniformed officers you see carrying .45's that way but every time I think back 40+ years to that incident. hardcase60

47 years shooting the 1911. I've carried it in combat, and since 1982 it's been my concealed carry weapon. I've yet to have an accidental discharge.

Once, as a Corpsman stationed at Camp Lejeune, I worked as the range safety corpsman while a group of gunnery sergeants, behind steel plated shielding attempted to get a loaded 1911 to fire when dropped. They tossed it many many times both with the safety engaged and with the safety off. After about 150 try's, they gave up.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I was in a store and this lady had a young boy with her. The boy had a red laser designator and was having a grand time pointing the laser at people and putting a red dot on their back or front. I asked the lady if she wanted to get her boy killed? She gave me a stupid looked and I told that if he put the red dot on a police officer, there would be a very good chance her boy would be shot. She made some crud and rude comments and said that would never happen and hustled her boy out of the store. Maybe she let him go play in the street!

She was probably closer to right than you were . . .

 

[bgrone]

keping quiet

Sometimes I question whether to say something or just start videoing .

 

[Onomea]

47 years shooting the 1911. I've carried it in combat, and since 1982 it's been my concealed carry weapon. I've yet to have an accidental discharge.

Once, as a Corpsman stationed at Camp Lejeune, I worked as the range safety corpsman while a group of gunnery sergeants, behind steel plated shielding attempted to get a loaded 1911 to fire when dropped. They tossed it many many times both with the safety engaged and with the safety off. After about 150 try's, they gave up.

So, why you figure the 1911 fired in Hardcase60's example of the hammer hitting the doorknob?

Something like push off with a revolver? Worn part? Or perhaps the thumb safety was not engaged?

(Not doubting either of you. Just hoping to learn.)

 

[sousana]

So, why you figure the 1911 fired in Hardcase60's example of the hammer hitting the doorknob?

Something like push off with a revolver? Worn part? Or perhaps the thumb safety was not engaged?

(Not doubting either of you. Just hoping to learn.)

Most likely a worn part. I've seen too many 1911's in my time with the Marines that were WWII and Pre-WWII builds that shook rattled and rolled, but were extremely well maintained by Marine armorers that never had issues, however, at ranges over the years I've seen quite a few 1911's fail, a few accidental discharges, and in one instance, a stainless colt gov't 1911 go full auto.

The AD's for the most part were attributed to operator fault, but I've seen my share of degraded parts simply because proper maintenance wasn't done.

About 15 years ago in the gunshop I was picking up a Springfield M1 Garand, while there a local LEO came in and wanted to shoot his primary and BUG. As per range rules at that time all guns were inspected by the RO prior to going on the line. The officers primary weapon passed but the comment was made that he should lube the weapon. Upon inspection of his SW Mod 36, the RO refused to allow it on or near the range. Why? the bbl was plugged with foreign debree and the cylinder hardly turned due to the crud buildup. When asked why he allowed his BUG to degrade so badly he responded, how'd it get so dirty? I never use it.

 

[amazingflapjack]

I'm going to say something, as I would want someone to say something to me.

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

When it comes to matters of safety, whether shooting or otherwise, I never keep silent. Nor when it comes to matters of finance.

 

[Squarebutt]

It's usually appreciated when I tell a friend that his fly is open. Wish someone had told me before I walked into church that morning.

 

[retiredbadge8091]

Just as a point of interest, I've been in law enforcement for 22 years and I've never seen a LEO carry a single action auto on duty.

In the western United States some jurisdictions allow officers to carry their own sidearms and often allow single action semi autos that are cocked and locked. Just FYI. My own agency adopted this policy but I chose to carry the department issued GLOCK 22 for a number of reasons.

 

[crazyphil]

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool,
than to speak and remove all doubt." Abraham Lincoln