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Does anyone know if you can open carry a loaded handgun without a ccw?
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Check your state law. They differ by state.
celticfisherman
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State and local regs... Read'em... Know'em...
You would think that if it was legal in any state, it would be Texas...but, nope. Not here...no open carry.
I wish we did. I might still carry concealed, but then there wouldn't be a concern about printing. I would really like to be able to carry one of my beautiful 1911s in a nice tooled leather holster on my belt...openly. It's like dating a super model, but you can't let anyone see her out with you.
I wish we did. I might still carry concealed, but then there wouldn't be a concern about printing. I would really like to be able to carry one of my beautiful 1911s in a nice tooled leather holster on my belt...openly. It's like dating a super model, but you can't let anyone see her out with you.
rayban
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Don't be surprised if they don't know or understand the laws regarding open carry......it's been a comedy of misinformation in lots of cases here in Michigan.
Yeah ive been doin a little furrher research and they arent actually studying all the laws in southern oregon im going to contact O.F.F in tye morning and see what they say cause the cops up here are semi ignorant! It seems as though they just learn enough to become a cop but not enough to actually enforce the law lol. What a joke!
Police officers are not lawyers. Even lawyers do not know all the law.
Louisiana has open carry and has for so long, everyone knows it is legal to open carry. The new laws are what gets confusing for police. Even the District Attorneys are guessing at what is right to charge one with. As an example, one man shoots his wife in her car while stopped at a light. He hits her just once and she lives. He is charged with Attempted Murder. Another man pulled beside his wife at a traffic light and fires five times, hitting her with three of them. She lived. She had a restraining order against him. He got charged with Illegal Use of a Weapon and was released on bond.
Police call a DA often to ask what charge they should make. Do not blame police for not knowing all the laws.
Yeah its not their fault but here in southern oregon they herass inocent individuals such as myself for practiceing our rights. Now im a tax payer snd appreciate their service but a good portion of them know if its gonna get dismissed in court why waste your time? Out here they rape good hardworkin citizens for their cash! For example you can open carry in jackson county but if you do the cops will pull you over and right a citation for disorderly conduct? And their first question is why do you NEED a gun.... Well my answer cop is its none of your damn business why i need a gun. Then take your day in court and sit on it cause im not gonna relinquish my rights cause theyre uncomfortable with citizens wanting to "even the odds" and arm ourselves!
No offense meant but the officers are also taxpayers.
Let me give you a somewhat personal example. Several years ago a patrol officer was a good friend of mine and needed some money. I loaned it to him and he let me have a really nice S&W gun as collateral. Another friend of both of ours was over Selective Enforcement and had arrested a DUI driver. The Judge dismissed the charge the next day during a bond hearing. That night the man got drunk again and was driving. My friend was working patrol and was beside a vehicle he pulled over. The drunk aimed for him and plowed into the car, pinning my friend between the cars and killing him instantly. All of us would have rather the man remained in jail but the police have no control over what the courts do.
While you do not say what "harassment" has been inflicted upon you, I will say 99% of all officers do not harrass people. It gets complaints with IAD and does not do much for their record when it comes to complaints. I have a nephew that calls me all the time because he is being harrassed. He has totalled five new cars (bought by his parents), got 14 traffic violations for speeding, has two DWI convictions and has taken the muffler off his pickup so one can hear him coming. Yet he feels getting stopped is harassment. FWIW: His license is suspended in this state for another year, then he starts a two yr suspension out of OK. He is 31 yrs old, three times divorced, has been arrested more times than most for things that never is his fault like unlawful carnal knowledge, public intoxication and lewd conduct in public so the police are always harassing him.
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Sorry but since we are discussing harassment, I had to post this out of CA. Many of the officers here can appreciate it. Many of the citizens can get a better understanding of it.
A THOROUGH EXPLANATION OF POLICE HARASSMENT.
Recently, the Chula Vista, CA Police Department ran an e-mail forum (a question and answer exchange) with the topic being, "Community Policing." One of the civilian email participants posed the following question, "I would like to know how it is possible for police officers to continually harass people and get away with it?"
From the "other side" (the law enforcement side) Sgt. Bennett, obviously a cop
with a sense of humor, replied:
"First of all, let me tell you this...it's not easy. In Chula Vista, we average one cop for every 600 people. Only about 60% of those cops are on general duty (or what you might refer to as "patrol") where we do most of our harassing.
The rest are in non-harassing departments that do not allow them contact with the day to day innocents. And at any given moment, only one-fifth of the 60% of patrollers are on duty and available for harassing people while the rest are off duty. So roughly, one cop is responsible for harassing about 5,000 residents.
When you toss in the commercial business, and tourist locations that attract people from other areas, sometimes you have a situation where a single cop is responsible for harassing 10,000 or more people a day.
Now, your average ten-hour shift runs 36,000 seconds long. This gives a cop one second to harass a person, and then only three-fourths of a second to eat a donut AND then find a new person to harass. This is not an easy task. To be honest, most cops are not up to this challenge day in and day out. It is just too tiring. What we do is utilize some tools to help us narrow down those people which we can realistically harass.
The tools available to us are as follows:
PHONE: People will call us up and point out things that cause us to focus on a person for special harassment. "My neighbor is beating his wife" is a code phrase used often. This means we'll come out and give somebody some special harassment.
Another popular one is, "There's a guy breaking into a house." The harassment team is then put into action.
CARS: We have special cops assigned to harass people who drive. They like to harass the drivers of fast cars, cars with no insurance or no driver's licenses and the like. It's lots of fun when you pick them out of traffic for nothing more obvious than running a red light. Sometimes you get to really heap the harassment on when you find they have drugs in the car, they are drunk, or have an outstanding warrant on file.
RUNNERS: Some people take off running just at the sight of a police officer. Nothing is quite as satisfying as running after them like a beagle on the scent of a bunny. When you catch them you can harass them for hours.
STATUTES: When we don't have PHONES or CARS and have nothing better to do, there are actually books that give us ideas for reasons to harass folks. They are called "Statutes"; Criminal Codes, Motor Vehicle Codes, etc. They all spell out all sorts of things for which you can really mess with people.
After you read the statute, you can just drive around for awhile until you find someone violating one of these listed offenses and harass them. Just last week I saw a guy trying to steal a car. Well, there's this book we have that says that's not allowed. That meant I got permission to harass this guy. It is a really cool system that we have set up, and it works pretty well.
We seem to have a never-ending supply of folks to harass. And we get away with it. Why? Because for the good citizens who pay the tab, we try to keep the streets safe for them, and they pay us to "harass" some people.
Next time you are in my town, give me the old "single finger wave." That's another one of those codes. It means, "Please harass me."
It's one of our favorites.
A THOROUGH EXPLANATION OF POLICE HARASSMENT.
Recently, the Chula Vista, CA Police Department ran an e-mail forum (a question and answer exchange) with the topic being, "Community Policing." One of the civilian email participants posed the following question, "I would like to know how it is possible for police officers to continually harass people and get away with it?"
From the "other side" (the law enforcement side) Sgt. Bennett, obviously a cop
with a sense of humor, replied:
"First of all, let me tell you this...it's not easy. In Chula Vista, we average one cop for every 600 people. Only about 60% of those cops are on general duty (or what you might refer to as "patrol") where we do most of our harassing.
The rest are in non-harassing departments that do not allow them contact with the day to day innocents. And at any given moment, only one-fifth of the 60% of patrollers are on duty and available for harassing people while the rest are off duty. So roughly, one cop is responsible for harassing about 5,000 residents.
When you toss in the commercial business, and tourist locations that attract people from other areas, sometimes you have a situation where a single cop is responsible for harassing 10,000 or more people a day.
Now, your average ten-hour shift runs 36,000 seconds long. This gives a cop one second to harass a person, and then only three-fourths of a second to eat a donut AND then find a new person to harass. This is not an easy task. To be honest, most cops are not up to this challenge day in and day out. It is just too tiring. What we do is utilize some tools to help us narrow down those people which we can realistically harass.
The tools available to us are as follows:
PHONE: People will call us up and point out things that cause us to focus on a person for special harassment. "My neighbor is beating his wife" is a code phrase used often. This means we'll come out and give somebody some special harassment.
Another popular one is, "There's a guy breaking into a house." The harassment team is then put into action.
CARS: We have special cops assigned to harass people who drive. They like to harass the drivers of fast cars, cars with no insurance or no driver's licenses and the like. It's lots of fun when you pick them out of traffic for nothing more obvious than running a red light. Sometimes you get to really heap the harassment on when you find they have drugs in the car, they are drunk, or have an outstanding warrant on file.
RUNNERS: Some people take off running just at the sight of a police officer. Nothing is quite as satisfying as running after them like a beagle on the scent of a bunny. When you catch them you can harass them for hours.
STATUTES: When we don't have PHONES or CARS and have nothing better to do, there are actually books that give us ideas for reasons to harass folks. They are called "Statutes"; Criminal Codes, Motor Vehicle Codes, etc. They all spell out all sorts of things for which you can really mess with people.
After you read the statute, you can just drive around for awhile until you find someone violating one of these listed offenses and harass them. Just last week I saw a guy trying to steal a car. Well, there's this book we have that says that's not allowed. That meant I got permission to harass this guy. It is a really cool system that we have set up, and it works pretty well.
We seem to have a never-ending supply of folks to harass. And we get away with it. Why? Because for the good citizens who pay the tab, we try to keep the streets safe for them, and they pay us to "harass" some people.
Next time you are in my town, give me the old "single finger wave." That's another one of those codes. It means, "Please harass me."
It's one of our favorites.
But sometimes we can blame them for not knowing the law.
If they try to tell me that I am breaking a law that they just don't happen to remember, that's wrong.
I agree, they can't know every law. But they better know the laws that they arrest people for or give a hard time over.
We don't expect them to be perfect. But a little consistency would be nice.
But sometimes we can blame them for not knowing the law.
If they try to tell me that I am breaking a law that they just don't happen to remember, that's wrong.
I agree, they can't know every law. But they better know the laws that they arrest people for or give a hard time over.
We don't expect them to be perfect. But a little consistency would be nice.
There is a book of codes that will apply to certain situations. Officers may not know the exact R.S. or C.C. number but they have a code book with a number to put on the ticket. The same applies to speeding. The officer may not have gotten a reading on your speed but he can charge you with violating the general speed laws.
I was going in this morning and driving down a road near my home. Two patrol units made a turn in front of me, then made a U-turn in behind me. I was about to get on the interstate when they lit me up. I sat there for about 5 minutes while they did their radio work. Then they approached my vehicle, printed the back and came to my window, identifying themselves. They questioned me about where I was coming from and I told them. Then they told me someone in a black truck had hit some mailboxes several blocks over and I was driving a black truck. OK, I can handle that. I showed them my identification and was sent on my way. What I wanted to tell them was since they turned in front of me and was in the opposing lane meeting my vehicle, they should have seen I did not have any grille damage so it was not me they needed to be stopping. It was not harassment of me but an inconvenience to me. Yet it is their job and they, like me, have to work with what they have and they had a vehicle matching one used in a crime. Many times, a person never learns the real reason they were stopped.
That harassment post is hillarious! Perhaps i didnt specify on the harassments. I was once stoped for questioning that pertained to a crime... Ok. Fair enough. After 15 minutes i find out theyre looking for a black male in the mid 30s. Im white and barely old enough to drink. Then before the cop sent me on my way the guy asked me if i knew where to find drugs!!! Like seriously dude? Go choke on a donut! Hah. Now ive been stopd for something i was doing wrong snd got sent on my way just because i wasnt causeing anyone any grief. There are nice cops. But very few in southern oregon.
And as far as trouble goes im 21 years old. Dont go to the bars and when i do i have a cabby take me home. No public intoxication, no driving drnk and no moving violations. I keep my nose clean and when i get stopped for a routine trafic stop and the cop wants to ask me where to find the white drugs are and tries to force me into a search ive got a problem. Bring out the dogs buddy but you aint searchin nuthin near my car pal!
And as far as trouble goes im 21 years old. Dont go to the bars and when i do i have a cabby take me home. No public intoxication, no driving drnk and no moving violations. I keep my nose clean and when i get stopped for a routine trafic stop and the cop wants to ask me where to find the white drugs are and tries to force me into a search ive got a problem. Bring out the dogs buddy but you aint searchin nuthin near my car pal!
There are reasons why people get asked unusual questions by officers. A lot of mid level drug dealers were caught by an officer asking a neighbor, traffic stop, etc where drugs may be sold. People are reluctant to go to the police with information but willing to talk when police come to them. I have asked my own daughter over the yrs where something may be happening or what something means in today's lingo. Even when the person may not be involved, they will know those that are.
MSgt G
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Amen! The police, unfortunately, don't/can't know ALL of the laws. You'll have to research for yourself.
cmort666
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Do NOT ask the police about laws. Ask a lawyer or read the law yourself.
I've had a cop stand in front of me and wildly misstate Ohio law to me, and threaten me with that ignorance in the bargain.
cmort666
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Returning to the actual topic, in Ohio open carry is legal in non-prohibited places, PERIOD. It's not "inducing panic", PERIOD. In fact, open carry alone doesn't even meet the elements of the offense, PERIOD. And Ohio has preemption. The ONLY gun laws in Ohio are state and federal ones, PERIOD.
The police don't need to know every law.
They need to know every law they're enforcing RIGHT NOW.
If you wrongfully deprive me of my liberty because you don't know the law or don't care what it says, I'm going to exact a price from you for that lack of respect for your profession.
You are preaching to the choir. I love open carry. Works well, it is legal, not hard on clothing, does not cause any problems (well...other than with those that are uptight because they have never done it because their state does not allow it) and it does not require paperwork or fees.
Some say they have never seen open carry. I say they have but just did not pay it any attention. Some times when I am carrying openly, only the handle of my sidearm is showing. That can be mistaken for a cell phone, pager or sunglasses. Some times it just blends in with the clothing.
I can carry concealed due to my occupation and my various permits. I can carry openly because it is comfortable, legal and quicker.
Now for a quick question: If someone were to visit OH, would they be allowed to OC or just CC with their state permit?
cmort666
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- Open carry on foot does not require any sort of credential, or even any ID.
- To have a loaded handgun in a vehicle AT ALL requires an Ohio CHL or recognized equivalent.
- The law recently changed and most of the sillier car carry restrictions have been removed. It's now lawful to [with a CHL or recognized equivalent] have a loaded handgun on, under or between the seats, without a holster, container or any other sort of artifice.
One of the ironies of the "inducing panic" fairy story is that when the concealed carry law was first passed, open carry was REQUIRED in a vehicle. If open carry is "inducing panic", then not so long ago, the Ohio Revised Code REQUIRED you to induce panic when carrying a loaded firearm in a vehicle.
rayban
Member
Yep, same in Michigan.
Now I am happy I turned down a position in OH. Louisiana has it's bad points but anyone can carry a loaded weapon any where in their car. Under the seat, in a glove box or console, in the door panel, under the leg, on the dash, in the trunk or where ever you want. This applies to residents, those passing through or those relocating here.
OC is allowed no questions asked.
OH is a good example of why I maintain the principle difference in OC attitudes is going to be determined by how long the law has been in effect. There are several Youtube videos showing OH, as well as other states, police stopping people that OC. It is relatively new to them and they are not quite sure how to deal with it or what is legal. Here, the law has been on the books long before any officer's great-great grand parents died of old age. They never knew any other way of life. It causes OC to be unusual in states that enact laws allowing it.
cmort666
Member
Other than in a vehicle, there's NO law regarding open carry in Ohio. That's why it's lawful. That which is not prohibited is permitted.
Ohio has lawful concealed carry BECAUSE OF open carry.
The excuse had always been that concealed carry was unnecessary because open carry was lawful. Then when a court actually ruled that, the Ohio Highway Patrol and other enemies of citizen carry panicked. They were suddenly confronted with the specter of that which THEY had "advocated" for so long. That's when we got lawful concealed carry... albeit with "poison pills" in it, such as required open carry in vehicles and mandatory notification. The opponents were shocked when CCW passed, and even more shocked when their various attempts to torpedo it failed miserably. The next one to go down in flames will be mandatory notification. They can thank Officer Harless of the Canton PD when that happens.
Were the anti's up there screaming about CC would create mass shootouts, and the area would become another Dodge City? I have heard them do so in several states as legislation was attempting to pass gun laws allowing more latitude in firearm carry.
cmort666
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WERE they? They still ARE!
We recently got restaurant carry. Their arguments against that were EXACTLY the same as the arguments against concealed carry in general.
Nobody's buying the BS anymore. They're not crying wolf. They're crying WEREWOLF and nobody's dumb enough to believe them.
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