Open Carry?

[kbm6893]

Sir,

You are correct. No one, private citizen or law enforcement can question an individual as to why one is
carrying a firearm openly in a public or private place not prohibited by law.

I know this, as I am currently a Detective for the Commonwealth's Attorneys Office.

Oh, btw, I'm also a State CCDW instructor with the Dept. of Criminal Justice Training.

Open Carry in the Commonwealth of Kentucky is an unalienable right recognized by the state constitution.
Concealed carry is a purchased privilege.

Not everyone feels the need to participate in the CCDW program,
so lawful open carry is convenient and widely accepted through the Bluegrass.


Thank You for Supporting Open Carry






.






As for Texas,

It is unlawful to open carry with out a special commission of some type.

Money will purchase state required training for a CHL....
Money may also get one a special commission....
It's just the way it works.





Thank You for your validation there....And we're damn proud of it.


P.S.

Who was that guy on that other thread , the one about some young person open carrying at a hardware er somewheres...

The guy behind him didn't like it, and thought he was dumb or had a speech inpediment or some such.

And then the poster said, he wears a shirt that sez, 'Kill bad guys today like a champion' or something like that.

Make me thing a case one time where a guy made some comment or
wore a like printed tee shirt... was entered into evidence as a spontaneous utterance...
As it was construed as being premeditated. Ya know thinking it was like a calling or something.


.

I was the one who saw the OC guy at a Home Depot. He was obviously mentally retarded. It wasn't a speech impediment. And yeah, I think that's a bad idea. Don't know anything about a t-shirt though.

 

[kbm6893]

How someone who once took an oath to support and defend the Constitution,assuming he didn't just mouth those words for a pension, and disavows that now is stunning.

You have any proof I violated my oath? Lots of laws I don't agree with. I enforced the law, not my opinions. I worked in NY, so no open carry issues there. If it had been legal, I would have felt the same way about it as I do now.

If OC is your ONLY option then I see the validity. I think owning a gun is an absolute right and ccw should be legal in ALL 50 states with reciprocity between states.

Last post in this, and one that OC people will dismiss. If OC is legal, and an officer has no authority to stop and question you simply for walking with a displayed gun (and a holstered weapon IS displayed if I can see it) then what is to stop a felon or somebody prohibited from owing a weapon from OC'ing? If he can't be forced to answer questions, then how would you know?

And before I get the whole "how often does that happen?" My answer is I don't know. And neither do you.

 

[ladder13]

NO permit needed OC state

You; are you a felon?
Me: No

You: Can I see some ID?
Me: No. Am I free to go?

 

[elm_creek_smith]

And burning an American flag and the protesters outside military funerals aren't breaking the law either. You support them too?

I don't support them, but I defend their right to do so. Has something to do with an oath I took to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

How anybody could support those Target morons is beyond me.

Demonstratio absurdum.

So they forced he Texas legislature to pass OC of handguns. Good for them. Now they can hang up their AR's and strap on their glocks.

Not quite yet, but it's coming. And why do you care? If you don't want to open carry, don't.

 

[The Big D]

Kentucky loves felons?

A very good question...sure hope a KY LEO can answer and reply.

Be safe.

...
Last post in this, and one that OC people will dismiss. If OC is legal, and an officer has no authority to stop and question you simply for walking with a displayed gun (and a holstered weapon IS displayed if I can see it) then what is to stop a felon or somebody prohibited from owing a weapon from OC'ing? If he can't be forced to answer questions, then how would you know?...

 

[Bundesheer]

kbm6893
If OC is legal, and an officer has no authority to stop and question you simply for walking with a displayed gun (and a holstered weapon IS displayed if I can see it) then what is to stop a felon or somebody prohibited from owing a weapon from OC'ing? If he can't be forced to answer questions, then how would you know?

Good question. I drive openly a car and even if you can see me you need a cause to stop me.
You just cannot ask me why I drive a full size Tahoe and not an Aveo because I drive alone.
I'm a citizen of the nice and friendly state of Texas, but no one can stop me and ask me if I am documented or undocumented in the US.
I have a dog on my yard but no one can enter my home and ask me why I have this dog and not a brown one.

Seeing a weapon is not dangerous. What is the danger on a weapon carried by a law obeying citizen?
As a police officer you should know how easy it is to buy a illegal weapon in any given city in the US. At the Greyhound Station 8:00 pm. I was asked several times to by a illegal automatic weapon for low money incl. ammo. That is the danger and not a M&P 9 shield on a law obeying citizen belt.

We have enough gun control laws throughout the US. A police officer should know that. We don't need more laws. What we need is law enforcement. Politically correct is only the law obeying gun owner evil. I don't hear in politics or media any approach to illegal or unlawful gun problems. Politically and in the media such problems does not even exist. Or did anyone even hear something about illegal weapons and crime?

What next.
Will the police stop me an any given time and ask me why I own a Impala and not an Aveo like in other communistic countries around the globe?
Will the police stop me and ask me for my permit to travel or visit my grandma on Saturday morning?
When will the police come and ask me why I have a black dog and not a brown one?

A police officer should know
A) Political Corruption harms and kills more people than weapons can.
B) A Car harms and kills people in the millions every year.
C) Cars are used as weapon and heavenly to commit any given crime in the book.

When does anyone start to request better corruption laws?
When does anyone start to request better car laws.

 

[keith44spl]

Quote:
Originally Posted by kbm6893
...
Last post in this, and one that OC people will dismiss. If OC is legal, and an officer has no authority to stop and question you simply for walking with a displayed gun (and a holstered weapon IS displayed if I can see it) then what is to stop a felon or somebody prohibited from owing a weapon from OC'ing? If he can't be forced to answer questions, then how would you know?...

A very good question...sure hope a KY LEO can answer and reply.

Be safe.

We all know the criteria for a 'Terry Stop' ....


In the Commonwealth of Kentucky,

The open carrying of a firearm in and of it's self,
would not constitute probable cause for a field interview
in the absents of any criminal activity in or adjacent to the immediate area of contact.

The sole fact of a person, an adult (18 years of age or older) who
openly possesses a firearm does not constitute a criminal offense.

And therefore person(s) of the Commonwealth are not subject to any type of unlawful and
questionable 'stop and frisk' activities of law enforcement in over reach states.

Boys,

If there has been a violation of statute, and a lawful contact is made,
of course an officer may, request identification, pat down the
outside of a subject's clothing (for officer safety) firearms or
other weapons may be removed by the officer, until which
time the contact is completed or an arrest is made.

So in closing, an officer, one that opposes open carry,
can't use his authority under the color of law or statute to harass or
impede person or persons that are lawfully possessing a firearm(s).


Gees, it got something to do with that pesky lit'l 4th amendment,
and personal property and papers and all such as that.......


.

 

[The Big D]

That's much better!

Various posts seemed to imply those OC-ing were somehow immune from questioning and KY law somehow overrode the well-settled 'Terry.'

Keith has cleared that up; thanks for the clarification.

Be safe.

We all know the criteria for a 'Terry Stop' ....


In the Commonwealth of Kentucky,

The open carrying of a firearm in and of it's self,
would not constitute probable cause for a field interview
in the absents of any criminal activity in or adjacent to the immediate area of contact.

The sole fact of a person, an adult (18 years of age or older) who
openly possesses a firearm does not constitute a criminal offense.

And therefore person(s) of the Commonwealth are not subject to any type of unlawful and
questionable 'stop and frisk' activities of law enforcement in over reach states.

Boys,

If there has been a violation of statute, and a lawful contact is made,
of course an officer may, request identification, pat down the
outside of a subject's clothing (for officer safety) firearms or
other weapons may be removed by the officer, until which
time the contact is completed or an arrest is made.

So in closing, an officer, one that opposes open carry,
can't use his authority under the color of law or statute to harass or
impede person or persons that are in a lawfully possessing a firearm(s).


Gees, it got something to do with that pesky lit'l 4th amendment,
and personal property and papers and all such as that.......


.

 

[Protected One]

I was in a Home Depot recently (in Detroit, of all places), and in the checkout line next to me stood a guy open carrying a full size semi-auto (looked like a Sig). Dressed in black pants and a dark shirt the gun was less noticable than it could have been. I don't know if anyone else noticed, but if they did, not a word was said.
I just smiled, and waited there with my Glock 23 concealed under my untucked shirt.

 

[ladder13]

We all know the criteria for a 'Terry Stop' ....


In the Commonwealth of Kentucky,

The open carrying of a firearm in and of it's self,
would NOT constitute probable cause for a field interview
in the absents of any criminal activity in or adjacent to the immediate area of contact.

The sole fact of a person, an adult (18 years of age or older) who
openly possesses a firearm does NOT constitute a criminal offense.

And therefore person(s) of the Commonwealth are NOT subject to any type of unlawful and
questionable 'stop and frisk' activities of law enforcement in over reach states.

Boys,
.........................................

.

Perfectly clear, thanks.

 

[keith44spl]

Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by kbm6893
...
Last post in this, and one that OC people will dismiss.
If OC is legal, and an officer has no authority to stop and question you simply for walking with a displayed gun
(and a holstered weapon IS displayed if I can see it) then what is to stop a felon or
somebody prohibited from owing a weapon from OC'ing?
If he can't be forced to answer questions, then how would you know?...

Sir,

Outside of the 1930s era gangster movies.......
,
I have never encountered a criminal wearing a holster.

What modern day gangster wants to be caught flee the scene
of his latest mis-deeds with a holstered sidearm or
worse an empty holster after ditchin his gat?

Of the few dust-up that I have been in...
The POSs drew from concealment, a pocket or waistband.

No holster need by Ricky the Armed Robber


.

 

[ladder13]

AR's,AK's, M1A's, SKS's, Mosins,Enfields , M1's, etc etc etc are absolutely used for hunting.

To add, semi-auto's are legal in 48 states, even crappy NY , but banned in PA and DE.
Reading some of the FUDD comments in this article, it's easy to see why.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...utaUAsGmL9iiAug&bvm=bv.73373277,d.cGU&cad=rja

 

[elm_creek_smith]

I was in a Home Depot recently (in Detroit, of all places), and in the checkout line next to me stood a guy open carrying a full size semi-auto (looked like a Sig). Dressed in black pants and a dark shirt the gun was less noticable than it could have been. I don't know if anyone else noticed, but if they did, not a word was said.

So much for someone open carrying to draw attention to oneself.

I just smiled, and waited there with my Glock 23 concealed under my untucked shirt.

I wouldn't go around letting people around here know that you carry a Glock. They might take you for a "new ager" or someone else who doesn't know what a quality firearm is.

 

[The Big D]

Just one for me.

Only one bad guy in my career was rolling with a holstered gun.

Though I was not directly involved I was first to arrive at the crime scene after the dust settled.

'Routine' stop for speed violation id'd by radar. Bad guy likely thought the stolen car he was driving was the reason. Shot the first officer point blank as the officer was standing by the door; that officer and second officer who had stopped returned fire. Bad guy dead behind the wheel; wounded officer saved by his vest.

Bad...oops, DEAD guy used a Taurus 9mm and had an Uncle Mike's IWB holster at 12 o'clock.

Much more to the story...that's for another thread someday.

Be safe.

...,
I have never encountered a criminal wearing a holster.

What modern day gangster wants to be caught flee the scene
of his latest mis-deeds with a holstered sidearm or
worse an empty holster after ditchin his gat?

Of the few dust-up that I have been in...
The POSs drew from concealment, a pocket or waistband.

No holster need by Ricky the Armed Robber


.

 

[Ben_hutcherson]

But OC is not the only legal way for you to carry. You just choose not to go through the process of getting a ccw.

When I got in the car at 10:00 to go to the gas station last night, open carrying was the only legal option I had at my disposal to carry a gun.

The fact that I could get a CCW is really irrelevant, as even if I'd attended a class yesterday, it would be a roughly 3 months before I'd get the little white card that would bless me to carry with a shirt over my gun.

Skimming back through this thread, you have said that open carry was "stupid" even where legal, and called folks who do so "idiots" just in the past page or two. I'm really bothered by someone who displays a shield next to their name saying this, especially since situations have been outlined here where the choice is between open carry or don't carry.

 

[Protected One]

So much for someone open carrying to draw attention to oneself.



I wouldn't go around letting people around here know that you carry a Glock. They might take you for a "new ager" or someone else who doesn't know what a quality firearm is.

I've been heckled by professionals so amatuers no longer bother me!

 

[eyegots2no]

It is interesting how we have open carry and/or concealed carry in our land----then ----we have the PA resident with a CHL getting arrested as she drove through NJ---(see the thread..."has anyone been keeping up with...")

Real shame that by one political boundary in the USA, you could get 10 years.

 

[gearup]

You have any proof I violated my oath? Lots of laws I don't agree with. I enforced the law, not my opinions. I worked in NY, so no open carry issues there. If it had been legal, I would have felt the same way about it as I do now.

If OC is your ONLY option then I see the validity. I think owning a gun is an absolute right and ccw should be legal in ALL 50 states with reciprocity between states.

Last post in this, and one that OC people will dismiss. If OC is legal, and an officer has no authority to stop and question you simply for walking with a displayed gun (and a holstered weapon IS displayed if I can see it) then what is to stop a felon or somebody prohibited from owing a weapon from OC'ing? If he can't be forced to answer questions, then how would you know?

And before I get the whole "how often does that happen?" My answer is I don't know. And neither do you.

Sorry, but this makes no sense. What would make you think you have the right to stop me for simply OCing. You see me and I am not in violation of the law then you have no need to know anything about me.

The police are for law enforcement not citizen control.

By your logic, OCers are automatically suspicious. What if I am a felon? REALLY. What if you're a felon? See how stupid that sounds.

Continuing down your own logical thread, CCers are not suspicious. Criminals never jam a gun in their pants or coat.

How do you walk through a crowd? What if one someone CCing is a felon? I get it.......we are only worried about the OCing felons because they are the worst and most dangerous.

Your prejudice opinion seems to have led to a invalid sense of entitlement. Based on all this logic one would wonder if a minority OCer makes you extra nervous.

 

[snubbyfan]

Your prejudice opinion seems to have led to a invalid sense of entitlement. Based on all this logic one would wonder if a minority OCer makes you extra nervous.

Being a minority, I've been stopped and questioned and even accused of being a drug trafficker at gun point by the police.
I feel that if I was open carrying it would have been shoot first and ask questions later.
Ya darned right I always carry concealed.

 

[gearup]

Being a minority, I've been stopped and questioned and even accused of being a drug trafficker at gun point by the police.
I feel that if I was open carrying it would have been shoot first and ask questions later.
Ya darned right I always carry concealed.

I understand what you are saying. It is unacceptable but unfortunately true.