Opinions please- WW-II Walther P-38

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I know this is a Smith forum... I joined to share and learn after I bought my 686, my very first handgun purchase. But I am curious about what follows, and I know there are many, many folks here that can weigh in. I'm a beginner in both owning and shooting handguns, and have discovered how much fun (along with my son) range shooting is.

I inherited my Dad's "bringback" from WW-II when he passed away in 2001- a Walther P-38, the standard 9mm issue German army sidearm. It was basically kept in his sock drawer from after the war, until he passed. (Dad was a rifle marksman before the war, and knew firearms, and kept this oiled. But never fired it, or anything else after the war. A combat veteran and Silver Star receipient from the Battle of the Bulge, he just wanted nothing to do with firearms)

I began range shooting my Smith in December, I got curious about Dad's P-38. I downloaded a .pdf file of the Walther P-38 and P-1 manual from a biker friend, read up on it, examined the slide, then asked my son for 5 rounds of target 9mm (he has a Glock) to take with me to the range. Now, bearing in mind I never fired a semi auto pistol in my life, I was startled by the mini-mule kick (compared to the only frame of reference I have- the silky smooth predictable recoil of my 686) and of the brass flying around. Oh, and I couldn't hit a barn with it either. :D

Well, son Aaron and I went to the range last Saturday; he mentioned taking it. I said, "Sure! You ought to put 6 through it and compare it to your Glock 17."

We did. And we put way more than 6 rounds through it. More like 60 or 70. It performed flawlessly. Although 70 years old, I'm re-thinking the whole "lock it up in the save it until I croak and will it to Aaron" thing. I watched a Youtube vid by Hickock45 where he put a wartime Walther through it's paces, then field stripped it along with his new Baretta, and showed the barrel lockup and slide design similarities.

This weapon is coded "cyq" and was made by Spreewerk under license in 1944, and are the least collectable of the three manufacturers, the others being Mauser, and of course, Walther. The slide is silky smooth to my uneducated opinion. We both really enjoyed shooting it. I'm sure Dad wouldn't mind... and I'm thinking the long dead German army dude that had it on his hip for a while wouldn't have minded, either.

I said all that to say (or ask) this- Is this pistol a shooter?

Or should I let it sleep?


I'll never sell it.

The finishes on this wartime pistol ware not what a commercial manufacturer would produce, but the slide seems silky smooth, the lockup pad mechanism is burnished but not worn, and the barrel is a mirror.

It is a pleasure to shoot.

Appreciate the comments.



 
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Oh, yeah... Remember I'm a beginner... but the middle, and the upper left targets were made by the P-38. (The rest was trying my .38 Special re-loads out of my Smith.)

 
Two ways to look at it. One it's a heirloom and can't be replaced if something happens to it. Second why have it and not use it. It yours, you are the one that has to make the decision whether to fire or not. Depends on where you place sentimental value on it. Or if you want it for investment, could be the more you use it the less it's worth. Do what you feel right.
 
I had one when I was in the Army in the '80s. It shot well and was very reliable. I tired of it after a while, and traded it for something else.

I always recommend P-1s (among other things) to people thinking about Hi Points.

I wouldn't mind getting a reinforced P-1 if I had the money. I'm not a fan of true double-action autos, but the P-38/P-1 are interesting enough to overcome that.
 
My first centerfire pistol was a P-38. Still have a soft spot in my head for them. I've also heard of the slides cracking. Stay with standard velocity ammo. I would also recommend changing the recoil springs.
 
Ive owned several never had any probs with them My current is an AC 43 (Walther) and have tossed several hundred rounds down its throat--flawlessly. Ive had a few BYFs too. Not that im putting yous down--ill never collect a CYQ.

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I own a Spreewerk P38 that dates to March 1945.

It's amazing how rough the exterior machine-work is...looks like the parts are fresh off the milling machine and into the blue tank...they didn't bother to polish the exterior much/at all.

That said it's a superb shooter.

The P38 gurus say to replace the recoil springs and use 115 gr milder ammo(no +P) if you shoot the old wartime pistols.

Also don't drop the hammer with the de-cocker/safety..let the hammer down so it doesn't batter the slide...this applies to the Walther PPK and PP pistols too. Just decock and ease hammer down..
 
I have owned three P.38s over the years. The first one, a Walther '43 example, had a bulged barrel. I cut the barrel off behind the bulge, crowned it, affixed a new front sight, and turned it into an ersatz "snubby" P.38 Kurz. It shot beautifully. I eventually traded it to a friend who thought it was way cool.

The second I laughingly refer to as an MP.38. It was a Spreewerke '45, and I knew I took a chance buying it. Knowing that the safeties on these late guns can crystalize from improper heat treating and the sear engagement could deteriorate, when I took it to the range, I took the precaution of loading only two rounds. Good thing I did. The gun doubled. Since the previous owner had personally guaranteed it, I returned it to him with the story. Again, we both refer to it today as "that MP.38." I hope he got it corrected or deep-sixed it somewhere.

My third is a Walther '43; it works perfectly and is in collector shape. I'm not afraid to shoot it, but I take care to clean it properly and preserve it for future generations. Here's a pic.

John

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I had a nice AC-42 that I should have kept, it functioned and shot well but it got turned into an exhaust system for my Harley. Enjoy your Dad's!

I feel that, Vulcan Bob!

My Harley is gettin' middle aged, and goes on my lift in a couple weeks for TLC and maintenance. I'm on my 3rd exhaust system, third bar, 2nd seat... never ends, the needy rascals...

:D
 
There are a boatload of P1s out there, and they don't cost much. Or buy a Berretta or a Glock...

Your Dad did not shoot it much if at all. No matter who made it, still it has collector value. As always, you make the call.
 
One of the more comfortable shooting semi autopistols,,at least for me.

I have put my War-Time Walther mfg P38's to rest and don't shoot them anymore.
I did and did extensively. Never had any problems.
But as time went on I did get to witness a few cracked slides on P38s and 2 cracked frames.

Lot's of speculation about the pistols reach some unkn 'round limit', slave labor production and sabotage by same,unsuitable ammunition, ect, ect..

I don't know what or if any of it is in play. I just figured that the pistols were no longer the $75/$100 guns I had started with.
Original parts especially slides and frames were near impossible to find. Plus even if I could replace a cracked slide, a matching Wartime pistol was no more.

The Post War Walther P1/P38 alloy framed pistols began appearing about that time. So I bought a couple of those and that's what I use.
Even those have their own history of cracked slides and frames along with Walther changes and upgrades to those parts to avoid the problems and keep the pistols in service longer.
The W.German Gov't finally dumped them too.

My older P1 made w/o the reinforcement 'pin' in the frame nor the 'fat' slide continues to work fine.
I have no idea of any round count. I shoot Rem-UMC 115gr FMJ stuff in it or some of my puffball LRN reloads.

I'd really hate to loose one of the P1's to a cracked frame or slide.
I like the guns that much.
There are still parts including NOS slides around. As yet the run of the mill used P1 isn't a collectible to stash in the safe.

I'd probably cry if I took one of the matching bring-back AC marked P38's out and cracked a slide or frame on it. Just so I could shoot it again.


Just my thoughts
 
First all the German ww 2 9mm handguns are ammo finicky. Shoot only mild 9mm luger/parabellium ammo. Do not shoot +p ammo or the hotter ammo. Do not install stronger after market springs to shoot the hotter ammo because the gun will break next. I have a unissued p1 that I don't shoot. Bill
 
I appreciate all the comments from everyone. I had a feeling the forum members here would have insight on this. I knew some of the Spreewerke story, but not the potential structural weaknesses of the slide.

I certainly have something to think about.

My son and I have had a great deal of fun at the range- both of us are new to shooting. Should I continue to use it, the actual volume of use it would see between us would be light.

It is fun to shoot! And with perhaps 60 rounds through it that day, it also seemed to work flawlessly. My main reason to be there was to try out my newest .38 Sp. re-loads through my S&W 686. But we switched off occasionally. And here's a confession from a new shooter- I liked the P-38 a great deal more that my son's Glock 17. Now, this is not a point for this thread, or even this forum, but I just don't like that brick of his... :p

I'm fascinated by the de-cocking feature on this P-38, but in a range environment there's no need to use it.

We visited a brand new range that had just opened, and the rangemaster was fascinated with it, never having seen one. He examined it, at my invitation.

I'm leaning on not using it any more, but as we get closer to another range trip, I may change my mind.

Thanks!
 
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I had a WWII version. Shot it quite a bit, but really didn't like the stiff trigger.

BTW If you field strip a P38 and Beretta 90 series gun, you may notice the similarities.
 
I would lock up your dad's gun as a family heirloom and buy a modern Walther P38 for the range. Let your son decide what he will do with it. Congratulations on having such a nice firearm.
 
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