Optics Question

[Squirrel Master]

Hello. I am still on the hunt for my M&P 15, but today, I scratched an itch I have had for quite some time. I purchased the Colt LE6920mp-b. It was pricey at $1450, but included Magpul furniture (handguard with heat shields/stock/fore grip/pistol grip), two pmags, A nice rifle case/bag 46 Tactical Weapons Case With 4 Brownells Magazines 46 Tactical Weapons Case W4 Brownells 30 Round Magazines 20 rounds of .223 and 20 rounds of 5.56. Love it dearly!!!

Now, time for some glass. I don't think I'm going to purchase an ACOG for it. I was shooting for a quality red dot, and thought about two in particular.

AIMPOINT T-1 2MOA red dot or the LEUPOLD PRISMATIC. Just wanted a few thoughts on either, feedback, experiences, ect. Or, should I be looking elsewhere in those price ranges?

I don't think I'm going to EOTech just yet, due to the limited sight view. I would like something with a quick detach function. I'm not sure if I want it co-witnessed with the Magpul BUIS and the Magpul A2 post. Is it possible to be able to use the iron sights, and red dot, without positioning the red dot at an angle? In other words, mount it higher than iron sight's path view?

Thanks in advance!

 

[Bkreutz]

Truglo

I've been using one of these for 6 months, I shoot at least once a week and the zero has never moved. The picture shows socket head screws for attaching to the rail but mine came with thumb screws so it's a quasi "quick detach". When I take it off and reinstall it's still dead on target. I have to remove the optic to use MBUS but it's a quick deal and the whole idea of BUS is for when the optic fails.

 

[batmann]

An optic you might want to consider is the Burris AR 332. It is 3x, BDC, has red, green and black recticles with multiple brightness levels and should the battery (mounted on top) go dead, the black requires NO battery power so the optic functons with or without a battery. It is also water resistant and shock resistant.
I have had one mounted on my S&W M&P MOE for over a year and the only change I made was to get a QD mount for it. The QD allows it to be removed and return to zero. IMHO, a very good optic for the money. It is, was, around $300 when I bought mine so it is in the mid-upper price range. I investigated several options before I bought this one and the 3x allows my old eyes to shoot at ranges up to 200-300 yrds, but it is still good for CQC should the need araise.

 

[Hoss0432]

I went to the utg red dot works great for only $40.00. comes with low and mid mounts. I have it co- whiteness with my a2 front post. works great in action rifle matches where shooting ranges vary from 0-250 meters


fear the free

 

[Squirrel Master]

Thanks for the help & insight guys. The prismatic also has the recticle that stays there when the battery fails. However, this means that this particular recticle is physically etched into the glass. To some, it's a good feature, but for guys like me, it may be more so of a problem. I don't know what my groups would like at 100 yards or 300 yards. I am a rookie rifle shooter. So, I don't quite understand how an etched reticle could be parallax free? It seems the Aimpoint would be more so, since the red dot is a projection. This tells me, not being any advanced shooter, it may become critical I have true parallax free image. Not have to worry about posture, or head tilt, funny angles, etc. Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to an etched recticle, but I'm just not sure how long it would take to become decent or good with one. I do have access to a local range, but I own a couple-few acres, so a little plinking, or hunting isn't illegal.

As far as price goes, I was told a good sight should cost about as much as the rifle. That being said, I'd be looking for an optic (red dot) for around $1250. However, if it doesn't get much better than $600-$700 Aimpoint, then I would rather just get one of those. In other words I don't see much sense in spending an additional $650 on top of the Aimpoint, and only gained say for instance, better battery life, or "clearer glass" that the normal naked eye couldn't really distinquish anyway.

 

[BillyMagg]

Thanks for the help & insight guys. The prismatic also has the recticle that stays there when the battery fails. However, this means that this particular recticle is physically etched into the glass. To some, it's a good feature, but for guys like me, it may be more so of a problem. I don't know what my groups would like at 100 yards or 300 yards. I am a rookie rifle shooter. So, I don't quite understand how an etched reticle could be parallax free? It seems the Aimpoint would be more so, since the red dot is a projection. This tells me, not being any advanced shooter, it may become critical I have true parallax free image. Not have to worry about posture, or head tilt, funny angles, etc. Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to an etched recticle, but I'm just not sure how long it would take to become decent or good with one. I do have access to a local range, but I own a couple-few acres, so a little plinking, or hunting isn't illegal.

As far as price goes, I was told a good sight should cost about as much as the rifle. That being said, I'd be looking for an optic (red dot) for around $1250. However, if it doesn't get much better than $600-$700 Aimpoint, then I would rather just get one of those. In other words I don't see much sense in spending an additional $650 on top of the Aimpoint, and only gained say for instance, better battery life, or "clearer glass" that the normal naked eye couldn't really distinquish anyway.

Well I'm glad money is no object, but I am looking at something functional, small and sturdy for my new Rock River Arms Predator Pursuit, and after buying the rifle my funds will be non-existant. LOL any suggestions??? Billy

 

[BillyJack2012]

Thanks for the help & insight guys. The prismatic also has the recticle that stays there when the battery fails. However, this means that this particular recticle is physically etched into the glass. To some, it's a good feature, but for guys like me, it may be more so of a problem. I don't know what my groups would like at 100 yards or 300 yards. I am a rookie rifle shooter. So, I don't quite understand how an etched reticle could be parallax free? It seems the Aimpoint would be more so, since the red dot is a projection. This tells me, not being any advanced shooter, it may become critical I have true parallax free image. Not have to worry about posture, or head tilt, funny angles, etc. Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to an etched recticle, but I'm just not sure how long it would take to become decent or good with one. I do have access to a local range, but I own a couple-few acres, so a little plinking, or hunting isn't illegal.

As far as price goes, I was told a good sight should cost about as much as the rifle. That being said, I'd be looking for an optic (red dot) for around $1250. However, if it doesn't get much better than $600-$700 Aimpoint, then I would rather just get one of those. In other words I don't see much sense in spending an additional $650 on top of the Aimpoint, and only gained say for instance, better battery life, or "clearer glass" that the normal naked eye couldn't really distinquish anyway.

Can't go wrong with the Aimpoint. it's more than I want to spend so I have 3 Aimpoint clones from Primary Arms. In a quality red dot that can take a beating, hold zero and be used for more than range duty, it typically comes down to Eotech and Aimpoint. Both are great and it's typically more of a preference and religious conversation when choosing. If you like the Aimpoint, go for it. You can't go wrong.

 

[Squirrel Master]

Can't go wrong with the Aimpoint. it's more than I want to spend so I have 3 Aimpoint clones from Primary Arms. In a quality red dot that can take a beating, hold zero and be used for more than range duty, it typically comes down to Eotech and Aimpoint. Both are great and it's typically more of a preference and religious conversation when choosing. If you like the Aimpoint, go for it. You can't go wrong.

What he said . I like T1 best, the H1 is good as well, but the Aimpoint Pro is not bad at all, and more affordable. There are tons of reviews on youtube and other sites. Lot's of good free info on the web as well. Researching has become a part-time job for me (wife hates it lol), but it pays off when you can buy with confidence, and walk out feeling good about your new sight. Good luck with the purchase.

 

[BillyMagg]

I've been using one of these for 6 months, I shoot at least once a week and the zero has never moved. The picture shows socket head screws for attaching to the rail but mine came with thumb screws so it's a quasi "quick detach". When I take it off and reinstall it's still dead on target. I have to remove the optic to use MBUS but it's a quick deal and the whole idea of BUS is for when the optic fails.

So how is the truglo for shooting long range groups, no magnification, but I did notice the one I looked at has a 2.5 min of angle dot? Billy

 

[Bkreutz]

So how is the truglo for shooting long range groups, no magnification, but I did notice the one I looked at has a 2.5 min of angle dot? Billy

Mine has 2 and 5 MOA dots with adjustable intensity. For long distance I have a 3x9 that I can install but rarely shoot anything over 100 meters (my eyes aren't what they used to be, I guess qualifying at 300m with iron sights is a thing of the past for me) So for what I use it for (punching holes in paper) it works fine. They are what they are, an inexpensive alternative.

 

[loc n load]

Aimpoint T-1

I have been using an aimpoint T-1 micro since they became available....I also use the Eo 552.....and a tactical CQB scope by Leupold....I have them all mounted on throw lever bases, so that I can simply swap them on and off what ever platform I am shooting.....the aimpoint T-1 is a primo optic.....I have seen them subjected to intentional abuse that would have destroyed other optics....and the T-1 kept on ticking.....I was a tactical operator/instructor for years and still instruct professionally, and our gear get's used hard. The T-1 is always part of my kit when I roll out.

 

[Squirrel Master]

An optic you might want to consider is the Burris AR 332. It is 3x, BDC, has red, green and black recticles with multiple brightness levels and should the battery (mounted on top) go dead, the black requires NO battery power so the optic functons with or without a battery. It is also water resistant and shock resistant.
I have had one mounted on my S&W M&P MOE for over a year and the only change I made was to get a QD mount for it. The QD allows it to be removed and return to zero. IMHO, a very good optic for the money. It is, was, around $300 when I bought mine so it is in the mid-upper price range. I investigated several options before I bought this one and the 3x allows my old eyes to shoot at ranges up to 200-300 yrds, but it is still good for CQC should the need araise.

I have heard of (never actually saw or witnessed) these sights with a cant level slightly left. Is this true for yours? Or maybe a thing of the past? What is a good mount for this? I wouldn't mind setting up one on my M&P15-22, but sucks you can't co-witness it due to the magnification. Bitter sweet optic for me.

 

[BillyJack2012]

Are you looking for a red dot or magnified optic? If magnified, then you've just opened up a whole different conversation.

 

[Skeptic 9c]

A couple of heavy shooters are swearing by the Lucid HD-7 3rd generation
Lucid HD7 Generation III Red Dot Sight FREE S&H L-HD7, L-HD7-TAN. Lucid Red Dot Sights.

For more classic sights you might look at the Nikon AR series.
Geoff
Who has not put an optic on his Mini-14 pre-Ranch version.

 

[cyphertext]

As far as price goes, I was told a good sight should cost about as much as the rifle. That being said, I'd be looking for an optic (red dot) for around $1250. Howe

That rule applies to hunting rifles, or bolt action distance shooters where you need magnification and / or light gathering capability for those dawn and dusk shots, but not so much for a red dot.

 

[Squirrel Master]

That rule applies to hunting rifles, or bolt action distance shooters where you need magnification and / or light gathering capability for those dawn and dusk shots, but not so much for a red dot.

Great point C.T. Makes sense, because an aim point priced around $500-$600, left me thinking an additional $600 on anything else would be diminishing returns

 

[batmann]

There seems to be some questions regarding the Burris AR332. One, my recticle is not canted, but is level, but I understand some of the early ones had that issue. Two, I don't see what a prisimatic loses with regard to parallax at least with me unless the range is greater than I have shot. I put the cross hairs, or in this case a circle with a dot in the center, on target and shoot. I try not to overthink on some things (good for me, but drives my wife crazy) LOL
Happy shooting with whatever you decide to go with.

 

[had]

Has anyone ever tried the leupold mark ar mod 1 from cabelas. I was thinking about this one.

Cabela's: Leupold® Mark AR Mod1 Bundle