Optics (yeah I know...another one)

[JTaylor76]

I you all will indulge me on yet another optics thread...I sure would appreciate it.

I am receiving a brand spanking new S&W M&P15 PC as a graduation present from the Police Academy. We've already purchased a Troy Ind. Folding Gas Block Tritium Front Sight and a Matech BUIS for the Rear. Additionally, will be ordering a Harris HBRS or HBRMS bipod for it soon.

I have been doing my research on scopes and other optics but I wanted to get some opinions from the gurus here. Oneeye has been touting the Bushnells and I am very interested in them...though I haven't been able to find the 6-24x50 Banner Dusk & Dawn anywhere... Anyway, I will be shooting alot at 100yds but will be mainly using my IS for that, but my goal is precision shooting at 200+ (hence choosing the PC).

So, My Question is; Do I go with scope or with some type of Red dot/ magnifier, ACOG type, etc. I'm looking to keep the price tag around $200-$300 and I don't want to limit the rifle to only distance shooting...it should be able to hold it's own in CQB.

With that said, (hope it made sense..new to ARs), I thank everyone in advance for your advice and attention.

Josh.

 

[thndrchiken]

CQB red dot or buis, distance/accuracy scope. I would set them up on identical qd mounts so that there is no difference in how they are mounted.

 

[BHarada]

Oneeye has been touting the Bushnells and I am very interested in them...though I haven't been able to find the 6-24x50 Banner Dusk & Dawn anywhere... Anyway, I will be shooting alot at 100yds but will be mainly using my IS for that, but my goal is precision shooting at 200+ (hence choosing the PC).

Amazon has the Bushnell for $145.

For an inexpensive scope it's very clear, even at 24x. And the parallax correction actually works, unlike the Simmons 44 Mag 6-21x scope that it replaced.

 

[oneyeopn]

I would probably put a pair of offset mounts on it for a holographic or your irons to make it an easier transition between the two, Just a thought! Good luck, or a quality Burris PEPR QD Mount! I have learned your scope is no better than your mounts.

 

[arizona98tj]

I've use the 3.5x ACOG on my M&P15 from 0 to 400 yds. Compared to the Vortex Viper PST 4-16x FFP I run on my .308 rifle....well, they are really quite different and intended for two very different purposes. I don't use my .308 gun for CQB and I don't use the M&P15 for precision rifle work. Pick a scope that will do one or the other....I just don't see one being optimized for both close in and far out precision work.

 

[storeyteller]

I have had several different scopes/optics/sights on my AR and none of them does everything perfectly. Just for today, I have settled on the Burris AR-332 (3x). Up close target acquisition is not as fast as with a holo-sight, but it is acceptable (for me). I can also hit a 6" steel plate at 300yds with it consistently. Overall a good compromise for what I want my rifle to do... today.
BTW, the off-set sights interest me enough that I am seriously considering getting one...which in reality means it is as good as done.

 

[JTaylor76]

6-24x50 AOE DUAL ILLUMINATE Rangefinder RIFLE SCOPE: Amazon.com: Sports & Outdoors

Anyone know anything about these Scopes??

 

[arizona98tj]

Never heard of it...most likely, Chinese glass with a specific name printed on it because they bought more than 10 of them.

In optics, you really do get what you pay for.

 

[Matthew Courtney]

Daylight visible illuminated reticle, auto off/on of illuminated reticle, 2x for fast up close work, 7x for out to 200 and beyond, free mount, Leupold quality, under $500 to your door.

https://www.primaryarms.com/Leupold_12_7x33mm_Leupold_VX_R_Riflescope_Ballisti_p/lp111233.htm

 

[JTaylor76]

Okay, there's a real good chance I'm gonna go with this scope.

Millett 4-16x50mm Tactical Rifle Scope FREE S&H BK81001, BK81008, BK81001A. Millett Rifle Scopes.

 

[oneyeopn]

Personally I think that is a great choice...I would like to have that scope myself. But I like shooting beyond 100 yards.
Great choice Mr Taylor.

 

[JTaylor76]

Personally I think that is a great choice...I would like to have that scope myself. But I like shooting beyond 100 yards.
Great choice Mr Taylor.

Uh..why won't it go beyond 100 yards? Am I missing something?

 

[jsimmons]

I use AimPoint for red dots, and Nikon M223 for magnified optics. The Nikon scopes are usually on a shelf in the safe, and the AimPoints are mounted on my rifles by default because I figured that's the most readily usable configuration in a grab-n-go situation.

That particular combination of scopes will run you almost $1k, so I'd get the red dot first because it's more usable in most common situations. A study was done that concluded most infantry engagements happened at 75 yards or less. A red dot scope is the best choice for CQB. You can get a 1-4x scope, but it's gonna start to get real heavy during sustained displacement/movement. That's why I chose to get a dedicated red dot.

 

[storeyteller]

Uh..why won't it go beyond 100 yards? Am I missing something?

Think he meant that he would like it cause it IS good for longer ranges i.e. beyond 100yds.

 

[Kodiakco]

You could also get a red dot and swing away magnifier.

 

[S&WOkie]

I use a 3 MOA red-dot that is good dead on out to 250 yards, and out to 400 yards with a little holdover.

I don't understand the need for high powered scopes with the flat shooting .223/5.56 unless you are shooting prairie dogs at long distances.

I am not trying to get 1 MOA groups, but I can sure hit anything that's a threat or bigger than a house cat.

 

[storeyteller]

It all depends on what the individual wants the weapon to do.
I like shooting my red-dot at 400yds also, but only at targets. When hunting yotes, bobcats or crows I want to make a clean, ethical kill which requires a precisely placed bullet (1 MOA or less), which is why I switch to a 6.5-20x50 when hunting season rolls around.