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[harmavoidance0]

So as i was loading my Shield 9mm for carry yesterday, I decided to skip the magazine in-rack-magazine-out method, and chambered the round manually.
What I noticed was a little off-putting.
When I released the slide, the extractor did not engage the round, and stayed out of battery . (I didn't test firing function, of course)
But that made me wonder- is that normal, for the extractor to not grasp the round?Any thoughts, oh wise ones?

[Edit- I tested my XDM to make sure, and it does the same thing. seems like a flaw in my memory, but shouldn't that be a thing you can do, with no magazine?]

[Edit #2 - I wandered into a local gander Mtn and got a 50box of 9mm Remington FMJ for 13.99 +tax. that seems like a great price, but I'm used to ordering online. They had a sale on CCI/blazer brass priced 14.99+tax and that still seemed a great deal. What are your local prices?]

 

[gboling]

I would not consider that to be a problem, as that is not the way a gun is supposed to function.

When chambering a round from the magazine, by pulling the slide all the way back and then releasing it, the round should be properly chambered. If the slide is not in battery after this method of loading, then you have a problem.

 

[snubbyfan]

It's designed to chamber a round from the magazine, the round slides up under the extractor as the slide is moving forward and chambering the round. Not to snap over it after it's chambered.

 

[harmavoidance0]

Agreed- i double and triple checked after the fact (a few mins ago) and sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. I'll keep it in mind for sure.
Thanks

 

[peterthefish]

Are you riding the slide forward? If you let it snap closed it would probably snap over the round. But as others have mentioned, not the right way or a great idea.

 

[AR-Getsome]

My Beretta M9 can chamber a round without the magazine, it was designed that way. I tried the same thing when I first got my M&P 9, I got the same results as you did.

 

[scooter89]

I always load my first round in my shield by dropping it in the chamber and letting the slide fly forward with a slingshot motion and the extractor always engages the rim.
Edit: mine is in 9mm. Not sure if that will make a difference.
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[Rastoff]

I always load my first round in my shield by dropping it in the chamber and letting the slide fly forward with a slingshot motion and the extractor always engages the rim.

This is not recommended. If you'll read your manual, you'll see how S&W recommends loading the gun.

The external extractor was invented to facilitate this kind of action. The idea was, if the load from the mag didn't work right, the extractor could still pop over the cartridge rim. However, it was never intended to be used this way regularly; only in an emergency.

If this is regularly used to load the first round, there is a risk of damaging the extractor.

 

[harmavoidance0]

Great input guys-
@peterthefish- i didn't ride it forward, i let go per the slingshot method.
@AR-getsome- it seems to work 2/4 times.
@scooter89- i thought it would work all the time. perhaps my extractor needs more break-in time. i've only got 100 rounds through the gun so far.
@rastoff- i know it isn't recommended, but i'd like to know it will work in an emergency.

Thanks for all your input gentlemen (or ladies, i dunno) Keep it coming !

 

[harmavoidance0]

As an added question, to anyone who knows? Will the striker fire out of battery at about the width of the rim? I didn't test it in my house, but will the pistol fire? I know it won't cycle, but if it was the only option, would that one cartridge fire?

 

[Rastoff]

As an added question, to anyone who knows? Will the striker fire out of battery at about the width of the rim? I didn't test it in my house, but will the pistol fire? I know it won't cycle, but if it was the only option, would that one cartridge fire?

No it won't.

 

[Ranger17]

[Edit #2 - I wandered into a local gander Mtn and got a 50box of 9mm Remington FMJ for 13.99 +tax. that seems like a great price, but I'm used to ordering online. They had a sale on CCI/blazer brass priced 14.99+tax and that still seemed a great deal. What are your local prices?]

I actually ordered some of the umc for 13.99 from (free ship over 50) Gander as well and have picked up blazer brass and some other brands at area WM and a Cabelas for similar 13.99-14.99/50.
I'll only use "new" ammo that's brass cased (all i can use at local range) so i think that's a fair price. But i do watch Gander and others for when they have bulk blazer in a can or umc which may save a couple cents a round.

 

[Muss Muggins]

You have a significant chance of breaking the extractor. It's not designed to move aside as it contacts the rim of a case. It's designed to receive a case rim from the magazine, hold on to it, and drag it back to hit the ejector. If you force it to hit the rim and move sideways to accept the case, it may break. You will then have a spent case in the chamber and a live round jammed in the magazine well behind it. Always load from the magazine.

 

[Ofc.JL]

Yep! What Rastoff and Muss said. Don't load the weapon that way. You can break an extractor. Doesn't happen often, but why take the chance. Load from magazine, drop mag and top off. I really don't recommend that either, but that is up to the individual.
A lot of Troops learn to load M9's that way, but Beretta says NO, and so does S&W.
It's a definte No No with a 1911 platform w/ original JMB style extractors.

 

[bmb96mus]

I also did this in the beginning. I did some research and there are cases of damaging the extractor. Some were bent others snapped. I no longer load that way

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[Storm40]

i know it isn't recommended, but i'd like to know it will work in an emergency.

In an emergency it is quicker to just load from a fresh mag than trying to fiddle with inserting one round.

 

[AR-Getsome]

Yep! What Rastoff and Muss said. Don't load the weapon that way. You can break an extractor. Doesn't happen often, but why take the chance. Load from magazine, drop mag and top off. I really don't recommend that either, but that is up to the individual.
A lot of Troops learn to load M9's that way, but Beretta says NO, and so does S&W.
It's a definte No No with a 1911 platform w/ original JMB style extractors.

Beretta calls it direct chamber loading which enables you to load a round in the chamber should the magazine be damaged. This info is in the Beretta handbook.

 

[Rastoff]

Beretta calls it direct chamber loading which enables you to load a round in the chamber should the magazine be damaged. This info is in the Beretta handbook.

Which handbook? The manual for my 92FS doesn't have this in it. Maybe you have a newer manual?

 

[Rastoff]

In an emergency it is quicker to just load from a fresh mag than trying to fiddle with inserting one round.

I believe the emergency he's talking about is if the round doesn't load properly the first time.

The most common situation where it would be necessary for the extractor to bump over the rim is clearing a Type III malfunction (failure to extract). In order to clear this malfunction the extractor is forced over the rim in an effort to extract the round.

 

[Storm40]

I believe the emergency he's talking about is if the round doesn't load properly the first time. ?

The most common situation where it would be necessary for the extractor to bump over the rim is clearing a Type III malfunction (failure to extract). In order to clear this malfunction the extractor is forced over the rim in an effort to extract the round.

Except what he is doing is loading a round by manually dropping in the chamber instead of stripping a round from the mag, hence all the advice not to do it