Washington has also had legal open carry since before statehood, easy to get concealed pistol licenses for at least 45 years that turned to shall issue over 30 years ago and very importantly, state pre-emption of firearms laws. Initiative (I-594) for the first time outlawed 18 year olds buying hand guns from non-FFLs. The law even wrote that 18 year olds could carry them in their homes and places of business. Laws equivalent to I-594 had no hope of becoming law through the legislature. 11 million dollars of advertising passed the initiative. The ads just about said that you could only vote against it if you wanted police officers shot dead.
Outlawing private sales in NM
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Exactly. The way the ballot initiatives are worded make them sound like a good idea to most people. And since they are worded pretty generically, the legislators have free rein to execute it in the most restrictive way possible.
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okiegtrider
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This is how most formerly felony drug crimes became misdemeanors in Oklahoma. And just like that, our state threw in the towel on the war on drugs. Possession of meth? Practically a parking ticket here now.
Perzacally....
I don't advocate ANY more gun controls. We have plenty of gun laws, and any attempt at more 'sensible' laws, besides not doing any good to get guns out of the hands of thugs and terrorists while infringing on legal gun owners, will only invite more 'sensible' legislation. Many 'casual' gun owners don't realize what is at stake and how easily what we have can be lost.
I don't advocate ANY more gun controls. We have plenty of gun laws, and any attempt at more 'sensible' laws, besides not doing any good to get guns out of the hands of thugs and terrorists while infringing on legal gun owners, will only invite more 'sensible' legislation. Many 'casual' gun owners don't realize what is at stake and how easily what we have can be lost.
italiansport
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I am hopeful that as soon as Trump has the Supreme Court up to snuff that these clearly illegal laws are brought up before the judges. They violate the 2nd Amendment and should be easily declared null and void.
Jim
And I wouldn't be surprised if G. Soros is funding these activities as well.
Jim
And I wouldn't be surprised if G. Soros is funding these activities as well.
Any one want to bet how many FFL's are also pushing for this bill to pass???????????
California did this a few years ago - a father cannot give a son/daughter a .22 rifle for Christmas without going to an FFL. A spouse cannot inherit firearms from a deceased spouse without going to an FFL....
California did this a few years ago - a father cannot give a son/daughter a .22 rifle for Christmas without going to an FFL. A spouse cannot inherit firearms from a deceased spouse without going to an FFL....
ChattanoogaPhil
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Unfortunately, it's not just casual gun owners who support background checks.
If someone has a principled position against background checks there are no Bloomberg TV ads or anything else that matters.
Unfortunately, there are tons of gun owners who have no principled position. They think if it works or sounds sensible then more gun laws are fine.
Now here is someone who certainly isn't 'casual' on the topic. He explains that it's perfectly reasonable ('sensible') to perform background checks on ALL sales, everywhere and anyhow.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fie_cERZW8[/ame]
Now here is the same person a decade later saying that he's not for mandatory background checks on all sales because he doesn't think they work. Which leads to only one conclusion, if he thought they 'worked' or could work then he'd be fine with them.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njBvpxhsa_Y[/ame]
Absent a principled position, a person will blow in the breeze of whatever they think might 'work' or whatever Bloomberg can convincingly sell as reasonable or sensible.
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Mistered
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If you are referring to ANY law that requires an FFL transfer for PRIVATE, FTF sales then undoubtedly most will be for it. An FFL has NOTHING to loose and all to gain. They make money on the transfer (some charging $50 or more) and they benefit from increased sales due to people 'weighing' their options I.E. do they take the time to find what they want used, then work out the details of having to perform the FFL transfer or just find what they want AT a dealer and eliminate the hassle.
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alwaysoutdoors
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Time to fight back
This is like an octopus.......
....with tentacles wrapped around every part, or an anaconda where every time you breathe, it tightens up more. A little law here, a regulation there, and before long they have the old ladies brigade coming into your house to confiscate your guns.
....with tentacles wrapped around every part, or an anaconda where every time you breathe, it tightens up more. A little law here, a regulation there, and before long they have the old ladies brigade coming into your house to confiscate your guns.
Typical "Dem" trick- (here it is called a Message of Necessity) was used here in NY in 2013 to push the so called "SAFE Act" through at 2300 hours, playing on the emotions of our useless assembly and senate (still crying about Sandy Hook)- there was NO DEBATE. We are told now that our Governor had it pre-written from his days as Secretary of HUD under a previous president.
Watch out - this guy wants to run for President in 2020 as the Dem candidate.
AZretired
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Having spent most of my adult life in NM and all of my LE career there, I can say that the liberal base is mostly in Albuquerque and Santa Fe areas (which also has a lot of California transplants) also more than half the population of NM lives in that area too. In the past, the Dems have always been pro-gun but I guess times are changing. When I retired in 2006 I moved because NM is one of the few states that tax Social Security Income and I'm taxed enough!
No, Mistered. I am only referring to the new laws that insist than ANY FIREARM TRANSFER (Father to child, Husband to wife, etc.) MUST go through an FFL. Personally I think the entire process that was put into place via the 1968 GCA has NOT solved one crime nor prevented one bad guy from getting a firearm!! It has cost the shooting personnel BILLIONS of dollars for a process that does pretty much nothing!
My comment was meant to say: any person who makes his living filling out paperwork for firearms transfer would be absolutely tickled-to-death to have every person in his state FORCED to use his services - and, currently, the laws do not limit the amount of money the FFL is allowed to charge for this service!! Some in California are beating the customers out of as much as the traffic will bear and would love to have more "customers".
tlay
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And the feds make how many millions or billions from these background checks, licenses and permits? Do you really believe they will cut out their own cash crop? Even if everyone believes these laws don't help they wont/cant stop them.
Ed Fowler
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"Bloomberg's group is here in NM trying to push thru (in a Democrat state) a ban on private transfers without going thru an FFL. Loaning a friend a rifle would require two transfers: one to him, and then one back again."
Fight it now with letters to the editor, calls or letters to your legislators or live with it.
Fight it now with letters to the editor, calls or letters to your legislators or live with it.
Beemer-mark
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Just an idea here. What if you just ignore the law. How enforceable is it? Is there a LEO present at every hand over? Even bigger question, if you're an upright citizen does LEO even care? Or does LEO figure he has real criminals to catch.
Only real law abiding citizens worry themselves sick about obeying the law, even when they know no one can figure out what the law is. Usually the law isn't even called into question unless you're really stupid.
Illegal to mail a handgun thru the PO? If you package it correctly who in the h_ll knows.
A real old guy tired of all the wussies out there.
Only real law abiding citizens worry themselves sick about obeying the law, even when they know no one can figure out what the law is. Usually the law isn't even called into question unless you're really stupid.
Illegal to mail a handgun thru the PO? If you package it correctly who in the h_ll knows.
A real old guy tired of all the wussies out there.
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Just Liberty.
Even with a conservative tilt to the U.S. Supreme Court, it isn't likely that the court will take on these issues unless a conflict were to develop between two circuit courts.
My impossible dream would be for the high court to throw out gun registration laws as unconstitutional.
My impossible dream would be for the high court to throw out gun registration laws as unconstitutional.
