+p ammo in MP9C

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Was wondering if +p ammo in mp9c is safe to shoot? I did search but didn't see anything with 2 searches I did. I did look at owners manual and it says this; (copied from manual) “Plus-P” (+P) ammunition generates pressures in excess of the pressures associated with standard ammunition. Such pressures may affect the wear characteristics or exceed the margin of safe- ty. Use of “Plus-P” ammunition may result in the need for more frequent service."
I was just wondering found a couple boxes of Winchester PDX1 defender yesterday at local Wally World and was going to shoot a few but then use it for carry ammo.
Thanks for your assistance in advance
 
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What you copied from the owner's manual says it is safe, but may wear the gun more.

Don't worry about it. S&W will happily sell you another gun if you wear that one out.

Yep I get that, just never had a polymer striker fired pistol, did not want it to blow up on me
 
I didnt think the Winchester PXD1 was a +p ammo? I shoot it through my 40c and havent had a problem with it.
 
Run a couple hundred rounds of regular FMJ through your 9c to break it in first and then you should be fine. I have been shooting Speer Gold Dot 124GR +P through mine without any issues at all.
 
Run a couple hundred rounds of regular FMJ through your 9c to break it in first and then you should be fine. I have been shooting Speer Gold Dot 124GR +P through mine without any issues at all.

Thanks, have put several hundred fm I through it already.
 
If it's only a box and the rest for carry you will be all set but like he said your gun is kind of like your car if its new you should run a few hundred rounds of FMJ through it to break it in. 5000 rounds is like 3000 miles in your car. Time for an oil change and get a new recoil rod and trigger return spring it will be the best 10$ you spend :D
 
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Interesting thread. I've never used +P ammo. What's the theory behind +P ammo, anyway?
 
The best loadings for the 9mm are typically in the 124g+p loadings or the 147 gr. Both loads roughly perform the same in ballistics gel. The heavier 147 gr loadings(given similar bullet designs) often favor penetration over expansion. The 124+p often favor expansion over penetration.

Personally, I prefer to shoot 147 gr loadings like the pdx1, hst, or gold dot. 147 gr loadings tend to be light recoiling, quieter(not supersonic and less powder tends to have less wasted blast out the muzzle), and again...favor penetration. In the world of handgun terminal ballistics...
shot placement>penetration>expansion. Light recoiling makes it easier for rapid-follow ups and more controlled shot placement. The heavy-for-caliber 147 gr also favors penetration, with many loadings getting 14-16" instead of the 12" of 124+p loadings. Standard pressure 147 gr loads are also easier on the internal parts of the gun.

The big drawback is they often have a longer OAL and may not work in all firearms. My m&p9c has ran flawlessly with any 147 gr load I've fed through it. My current load is actually a combination of both worlds....the underwood 147+p gold dot load. tnoutdoors9 did a test on these that was pretty impressive. My personal tests generated the same results as him. It's hard to argue with .8" expansion and >12" penetration from a 9mm.

As always, shot placement in defensive loadings is the #1 priority. Handguns only crush a permanent cavity through what the bullet touches...the temporary cavity really only does damage through inelastic tissue like brain/liver. You need to put that .6-.8" x 12-16" hole through something that bleeds a lot to stop someone quickly. They'll bleed out, go in to shock and pass out. Alternatively, you could get lucky with a CNS shot that cuts off the signal to their skeletal-muscular system...but that's outside the realistic realm for most in defensive shooting. The spinal cord is about as wide as your thumb on the very back of a person's body, wrapped in thick bone. The brain is the size of your hands put together...again wrapped in bone. Actually making an aimed hit on either of these targets is not a very realistic possibility. Center-mass shots through things that bleed until the threat stops is generally the best practice.
 
The best loadings for the 9mm are typically in the 124g+p loadings or the 147 gr. Both loads roughly perform the same in ballistics gel. The heavier 147 gr loadings(given similar bullet designs) often favor penetration over expansion. The 124+p often favor expansion over penetration.

Personally, I prefer to shoot 147 gr loadings like the pdx1, hst, or gold dot. 147 gr loadings tend to be light recoiling, quieter(not supersonic and less powder tends to have less wasted blast out the muzzle), and again...favor penetration. In the world of handgun terminal ballistics...
shot placement>penetration>expansion. Light recoiling makes it easier for rapid-follow ups and more controlled shot placement. The heavy-for-caliber 147 gr also favors penetration, with many loadings getting 14-16" instead of the 12" of 124+p loadings. Standard pressure 147 gr loads are also easier on the internal parts of the gun.

The big drawback is they often have a longer OAL and may not work in all firearms. My m&p9c has ran flawlessly with any 147 gr load I've fed through it. My current load is actually a combination of both worlds....the underwood 147+p gold dot load. tnoutdoors9 did a test on these that was pretty impressive. My personal tests generated the same results as him. It's hard to argue with .8" expansion and >12" penetration from a 9mm.

As always, shot placement in defensive loadings is the #1 priority. Handguns only crush a permanent cavity through what the bullet touches...the temporary cavity really only does damage through inelastic tissue like brain/liver. You need to put that .6-.8" x 12-16" hole through something that bleeds a lot to stop someone quickly. They'll bleed out, go in to shock and pass out. Alternatively, you could get lucky with a CNS shot that cuts off the signal to their skeletal-muscular system...but that's outside the realistic realm for most in defensive shooting. The spinal cord is about as wide as your thumb on the very back of a person's body, wrapped in thick bone. The brain is the size of your hands put together...again wrapped in bone. Actually making an aimed hit on either of these targets is not a very realistic possibility. Center-mass shots through things that bleed until the threat stops is generally the best practice.

Thanks, this was the info I was looking for, understand shot placement. Just new to MP line and did not want to blow the thing up. Bought winchester pdx1 124g so I will also look for the 147g as well and run some through it to see which I prefer.
 
Interesting thread. I've never used +P ammo. What's the theory behind +P ammo, anyway?

Honestly I am not sure, was looking for something other than 115g ball ammo for carry/pd. this was all I could find and wanted to make sure it was safe to use, I had heard it was more powerfull (probably wrong terminology) but really am not sure.
 
If you're planning on shooting FMJ for practice & just use +P for SD you won't have to worry a bit. I'd still recommend that you shoot a few rounds of your usual SD stuff at the range to make sure it feeds in your gun & functions normally which it should in an M&P 9 Compact. The only time you might wear your gun out prematurely is if you shot thousands of rounds of +P through it & even then I doubt it will happen.
 
If you're planning on shooting FMJ for practice & just use +P for SD you won't have to worry a bit. I'd still recommend that you shoot a few rounds of your usual SD stuff at the range to make sure it feeds in your gun & functions normally which it should in an M&P 9 Compact. The only time you might wear your gun out prematurely is if you shot thousands of rounds of +P through it & even then I doubt it will happen.

Thanks,
think that was what I tried to say in op about just shooting a few but using to carry/ personal defense
 
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