P series mounts

[mattrgrs12]

So I just bought the nikon p223 3x scope with the p series mount. Just got the them in the mail yesterday and went to mount it on my rifle and the p series mounts do not fit on the top rail at all. did some research to see if i was the only one having this issue and turns out a ton of people are having the same issue. So my question is has anybody else come across this issue and if so were you able to get it to work somehow? Or is there a similar mounting system in the same price range? (I purchased the mounts on Amazon for 30$)

 

[otisrush]

What is the issue with the fit? Are they too narrow to fit on the rail?

I use them on my Sport and they fit just fine. I realize that's not saying much - because if it hit a very high percentage of users then they'd have to change something. But it sure sounds like they have a quality control problem.

OR

 

[mattrgrs12]

Yes they are just a tiny bit too small tried for a good hour getting those things on yesterday before i realized i was going to do more damage to my rifle than good.

 

[boomshakalaka]

I had to remove the charging handle and BCG to get mine on. Wouldn't slide on without removing those.

 

[mattrgrs12]

I read that exact same thing on another forum but i cant seem to be able to get it to slide onto the rail at all. The actual notch that is supposed to slide on to the rail seems to be cut out wrong.

 

[427mach1]

No problems mounting them to my AR...

 

[Thiokol]

I use the one piece mount and it works perfectly.

 

[Rastoff]

I had to remove the charging handle and BCG to get mine on. Wouldn't slide on without removing those.

Slide on? Um, what???

Picatinny rails are not made to slide the accessories on. The clamp is loosened and it is pivoted on in place. The bolt then lays in one, or two, of the grooves to keep it from moving back or forward.

Sometimes, I have noticed that some devices will only go on one way. For example, the left side needs to be put on and then the device is pivoted to the right. Try to do it from the left and it won't work. I don't know why this is, but it happens with some equipment.

Even so, I've never seen a device, like the P-223 mount, that won't go on a standard M&P-15.

mattrgrs12, do you have any pics?

 

[mattrgrs12]

I just sent them back today. seems from my google searches that some people have had great success with these mounts and others couldn't even get them to fit at all. I guess mine fell in the the latter

 

[mattrgrs12]

So if anyone is interested i sent back the p series mounts and picked up a millett tactical mount for around the same price. Seems to be a pretty sturdy mount but have yet to test it out.

 

[mattrgrs12]

no idea why the pics are facing the wrong way

 

[uncledoggle]

I believe your mount is also facing the wrong way.

 

[Stimpy]

I have the same scope. For that small P-223 scope, UTG makes a nice QD mount that works very nice when coupled with a TruGlo 1/2" riser.

 

[mattrgrs12]

ive seen them mounted both ways. I dont think it makes a difference unless you want to keep the iron site on

 

[Waywatcher]

In addition to the scope mount looking backwards and too far rearward, it also looks like rear BUIS isn't located in right slot.

 

[Stimpy]

Correct. The riser allows me to keep the irons in place as I like to switch back and forth between them. If you don't plan on using irons, then it isn't needed.

 

[mattrgrs12]

some examples

 

[mattrgrs12]

that was when i first installed it. I took the iron site off and moved the site back a bit

 

[Waywatcher]

Your second example shows the proper orientation. You're not the first person to put it on backwards and take a picture.

Let me put it this another way, how's the eye relief when you're nose-to-charging handle?

 

[mattrgrs12]

I honestly don't feel the way in which the the actual mount in installed on the rail matters however I may be incorrect. I have seen them installed both ways. As for the eye relief at the moment i am comfortable with it but I have only looked through it and dry fired. I haven't got to actually go out and shoot. Once I get to do that I will adjust accordingly. I'm pretty new to AR's and mounting scopes but my dad is a big time gun guy so I'm sure he can get it set up properly for me if need be. As for know I dig the set up. I do appreciate everyone's advice and input.

 

[Waywatcher]

I'm pretty new to AR's and mounting scopes

I know, I can tell.

I was there once, I'm trying to help.

If you want to do it right, remove the BUIS, then replace on the rearmost slot. Then, remove the scope from the mount and turn it 180 degrees and replace it in the mount. To place the scope and mount in the correct slot, first adjust the stock so that your nose is lightly kissing the charging handle. Next try placing the scope as far forward as you can on the receiver. (The angled piece of the mount is specifically to allow forward placement of the scope.) Bring it back one slot at a time as necessary until your eyes is in the sweet spot of the scope.

You really ought to do this, right now it looks like a guy wearing his pants backwards. Sure, it accomplishes the goal of pants, but it's not right.

 

[Rastoff]

Your second example shows the proper orientation. You're not the first person to put it on backwards and take a picture.

No, there is no wrong way. The only thing that matters is eye relief. If the eye relief is correct, then who cares which way the mount is facing?

But I'm no expert. If it's really wrong to have it that way, tell us why? If it were a 20MOA mount then yes, it could be mounted backwards. This isn't.

 

[Waywatcher]

No, there is no wrong way. The only thing that matters is eye relief. If the eye relief is correct, then who cares which way the mount is facing?

But I'm no expert. If it's really wrong to have it that way, tell us why? If it were a 20MOA mount then yes, it could be mounted backwards. This isn't.

I did:

(The angled piece of the mount is specifically to allow forward placement of the scope.)

To expand on this, the angled leg of the mount allows forward placement of the scope; the front ring can be in front of the receiver. If both rings are directly above the receiver, there is no point whatsoever to the angled leg. In fact, it's a slight detriment, since straight (up and down) mounts would actually be stronger in such a case.

It really is like seeing someone with their shoes on the wrong feet, or their pants backwards. Like I said, it still technically works, but it's not right.

 

[Chew]

I did:







To expand on this, the angled leg of the mount allows forward placement of the scope; the front ring can be in front of the receiver. If both rings are directly above the receiver, there is no point whatsoever to the angled leg. In fact, it's a slight detriment, since straight (up and down) mounts would actually be stronger in such a case.



It really is like seeing someone with their shoes on the wrong feet, or their pants backwards. Like I said, it still technically works, but it's not right.

Per Nikon, the rings are designed to be reversible.

I snapped this picture of the instructions I have from the set I bought for my sport.


It says in 2 places they are reversible.

 

[Rastoff]

I didn't mean to start a pissing match over this. I was just commenting on the fact that the mounts are not necessarily intended to be one way or another. Either one piece or two, they are designed to be flexible so your scope will work with other things or allow more range of movement on the receiver picatinny rail.

If we want to pick something to discuss, lets talk about the differences in MOA and mrad (MIL) sub-tensions on the reticle and why mrad is better.

 

[uncledoggle]

Mary Ann or Ginger?

 

[mattrgrs12]

The back up sites are no longer in the picture i took it off the second after i took the photo. dont think i will need it. i tried your advice on getting my nose to the charging handle and for me i find it extremely uncomfortable. when i shoot i like to have my stock in fully extended or near full extension. no way in hell i can get my nose to the charging handle with stock fully extended and be comfortable. I am going to try to get out to the range this weekend. I will try to give a full range report

 

[Badquaker]

The p series mounts are one piece and need to be opened up before installation on tight rails. Wedge them open slightly and they slide right on. When tightened, they will snug back down. I have a couple sets of these mounts.