Ole Joe Clark
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I need something to help break the cylinder and ejector rod loose on a 15-2 cylinder. Soaked it for days in some old break free stuff I have. Any suggestions? It supposedly has left hand threads.
Penetrating oil
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Very much like Kroil. Ballistoil is good. Will most certainly buy some ATF, Acetone and
Kerosene and do the Ed's Red mix. Will doubtless be very useful for the lawnmower, etc. Sincerely. bruce.
Kerosene and do the Ed's Red mix. Will doubtless be very useful for the lawnmower, etc. Sincerely. bruce.
If you look at the MSDS for AeroKroil, you find it indeed contains acetone, albeit in a refined form (isobutyl ketone), as do practically all other similar solvents (PB Blaster, Liquid Wrench, etc.).
Acetone, or derivatives of, is what provides the "creep" or penetrating effect for all these products. When you look at the list in the OP, we find that the more acetone the products contain, the more penetrative they are, hence requiring less torque to loosen the nuts.
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four years is pretty recent.......
A test done four years ago is pretty recent in my book.
Back when Coca Cola was the real stuff, mechanics would wrap a rag around the frozen part and soak it with Coke. Then go for lunch and when they came back it would be ready to take off.
Maybe some ATF, acetone and Coke would make a better mix.
It was probably the phosphoric acid in the Coke that did the trick.
A test done four years ago is pretty recent in my book.
Back when Coca Cola was the real stuff, mechanics would wrap a rag around the frozen part and soak it with Coke. Then go for lunch and when they came back it would be ready to take off.
Maybe some ATF, acetone and Coke would make a better mix.
It was probably the phosphoric acid in the Coke that did the trick.
gwpercle
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Wrong type of ATF....download Ed's Red Bore Cleaner to see the specifications.
Dexron II, III ATF , General Motors spec.D20265 or later . I purchased the 4 following ingredients , one quart of each , all at wally mart for under $20.00 .
1.)SuperTech Dexron - VI. for use with type II, III (and a few other no.'s) General Motors , ATF.
2.) Kleen-Strip Acetone
3.) Crown Odorless Mineral Spirits
4.) Crown K-1 Kerosene (lamp and heater fuel)
It makes a gallon and don't look down your nose at it until you at least try it. Great for when you need a quantity of not expensive cleaner...I like it but also use the expensive ones that have a nice smell ( my wife has a sensitive nose) but for big jobs.....just try it once.
The mix I have with the above 4 ingredients , stored in clear Windex bottles spray , has shown no separation and It has been mixed for over a year . Different ingredients might make the difference with the separation , my ingredients stay mixed.
Gary
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bluetopper
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I wish someone would test straight diesel fuel. I clean all my guns with it.
gwpercle
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It would probably work fine , I have used kerosene for years, soaking rusty parts in it , the kerosene that's formulated for lamps and heaters doesn't smell that strongly .
Diesel is similar to kerosene , harder to ignite , how is the smell and how does it work in your experience....your experiences with it are just as valid as any "formal tester's "?
The reason about the smell question is I have bought products that just reeked , smelled so bad I wouldn't use them....
Guns cleaned with some products aren't allowed in the bedroom (with wife) for a day or two , until they loose the "smelly smell ".
Gary
But who in their right minds wants to smell diesel fuel all the time?
kthom
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My dad always mixed up coal oil (kerosene) and Marvel Mystery oil about half and half to be used as penetrating oil. It would usually work, especially if you gave it some time to penetrate.
In the early days Browning Arms Co. recommended using Diesel fuel to clean their firearms...........
crsides
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white vinegar is one of the best ways to remove bluing on guns.
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cowboy4evr
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If you use acetone in " Eds Red " be careful cleaning your guns as it will remove the finish on the wood parts . If you read his article he cautions the use of acetone . Says you can leave it out for a slightly less aggressive cleaning agent .
Bayou52
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Kroil hasn't let me down yet.
Works great in the bore, too!
Works great in the bore, too!
I'm not knocking the mixture, but Kroil has worked well for firearms and a number of other things. It got a music box working and I even used it on an anniversary clock where the pendulum had quit turning a long time ago. The pendulum has now been working for a couple of years. Seiko Anniversary Clock - Gold-Tone - Glass Dome - Rotating Pendulum – Princeton Watches
Bayou52
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Your post has given me an idea that has not before come to me. I've got a grandfather clock for which the clockwork hasn't worked for years.
This afternoon, I'm going to spray the clockwork with Kroil to see if that frees anything up. Nothing to lose by trying since it's not working anyway!
Bayou52
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DWalt
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I have used the ATF and Acetone mixture, and it does work very well as a penetrant. MEK (chemically similar to Acetone) will also work instead of Acetone. Two cautions - Acetone may attack some wood finishes, especially oil finishes, and Acetone has a very low flash point so there is a fire hazard. I have a pint or so of some ancient penetrating oil my father had when I was a kid, but I have yet to use any of it. I remember he used it to clean his guns with, like Hoppe's. Kerosene by itself is a reasonably good penetrating oil, that was what a lot of farmers used back in the day to work on their agricultural equipment. And burn in their kerosene lanterns and lamps.
I learned about Kroil from some steam engine mechanics who were restoring the locomotives for the Catskill Mountain RR back in 1969. They bought it in 55 gal drums. I used it in my Mercedes repair shop for 30 years and never found anything better. I've tried the ATF/Acetone but you have to mix it fresh everytime since the acetone evaporates so rapidly. A single can of AeroKroil lasts an awfully long time and it is the same strength from beginning to end, if you shake the can.
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