I am serious. We have known each other for years.
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Perfecta ammo deleted at Walmart
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I am serious. We have known each other for years.
I have found most of the clerks are either retired Spec Ops or some form of Marine Sniper.... why are there never any retired Cooks?
b.guggenmos
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I made it over to my Walmart today. They had nine boxes of 45 ACP for $15.44. I bought them all. No other calibers on the shelf. I asked the checker who is a regular and he had not heard about an end to Perfecta. Earlier in the day they put out a shipment that came in of other calibers. He said 9mm always first sold out.
$15.44 is not a deal for brass 45, just saying
I don't have a 45 but the prices I've watched $13.50 per 50 shipped is the norm for brass cased and it can be had for $11.50 per 50 shipped if you watch sales
Tinhack
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Yeah but I bet he didn't have to wait a week or more to get it either. I can run down to WM, pick up US ammo and be in the field or on the range in an hour or less. I picked up two 100 round boxes of Federal .223/55gr. for $37@ last week.
I don't particularly like burning cheap foreign ammo in my guns so I'm certainly not going to stockpile it. But hey, everybody has an opinion and it's your gun and your dollar.
StakeOut
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At a local Walmart yesterday I saw Perfecta .357,40S&W,223 and 30.06
I asked the Sporting Goods manager about the discontinuance of Perfecta and he said that he did not receive any official word from corporate headquarters stating a stop so he keeps ordering more.
He did say that he has not gotten any Perfecta 9mm in a few months but got some 40S&W last week.
I asked the Sporting Goods manager about the discontinuance of Perfecta and he said that he did not receive any official word from corporate headquarters stating a stop so he keeps ordering more.
He did say that he has not gotten any Perfecta 9mm in a few months but got some 40S&W last week.
I was out at my closest WM yesterday. The girl who manages sporting goods is clueless about most things, but she does keep up with the ammo case to fend off the folks who buy to resell at gunshows.
They had a few boxes of Perfecta .380 and .308 that all looked like they had been stored out in a field. Asked her about them, and she said that they just showed up off an old unfilled order. She wasn't happy, as the inventory folks had sent her a new shelf layout that had no place for them. We looked at the warehouse schedule, and Perfecta is gone from their order list. I suspect it just depends on the distribution center. If they find some in a corner, they will send it.
She did say that if all the orders she had placed, which had never been filled, were to arrive, she would have ammo for our lifetimes.
They had a few boxes of Perfecta .380 and .308 that all looked like they had been stored out in a field. Asked her about them, and she said that they just showed up off an old unfilled order. She wasn't happy, as the inventory folks had sent her a new shelf layout that had no place for them. We looked at the warehouse schedule, and Perfecta is gone from their order list. I suspect it just depends on the distribution center. If they find some in a corner, they will send it.
She did say that if all the orders she had placed, which had never been filled, were to arrive, she would have ammo for our lifetimes.
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I agree not the best deal but an easy painless purchase. All of the other 45 ACP was more expensive. I like the Perfecta as it is clean burning at least in 45 and 9mm. Prices for online sales are definitely coming down. I reload for all of my revolvers and plan on starting 45 ACP at some point? My whole point of the post was that Perfecta was available and still coming in.
stonebuster
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Brasky, thanks, good info. I'll check it out.
To all that suggest we just buy ammo on-line, a lot of us used to but our state legislatures are banning that.
We can't buy ammo online in NY unless it is sent to a licensed ammo seller. In the future there will be background checks done on ammo sales.
My anti-gun coworkers actually talk about banning more then 50 rounds of ammo in the home. This is what they say is done in some countries.
Some say if you can't ban guns you can limit ammo drastically.
This is a bigger threat than you think. Our local walmart has ALL firearm ammo and accessories including even a hand clay pigeon thrower behind locked glass cabinets. Even knives, tactical flashlights and holsters are locked up. ANYTHING gun related.
You don't realize how much could change fast... In 10 years we went from having capguns pulled from walmart to this.
We can't buy ammo online in NY unless it is sent to a licensed ammo seller. In the future there will be background checks done on ammo sales.
My anti-gun coworkers actually talk about banning more then 50 rounds of ammo in the home. This is what they say is done in some countries.
Some say if you can't ban guns you can limit ammo drastically.
This is a bigger threat than you think. Our local walmart has ALL firearm ammo and accessories including even a hand clay pigeon thrower behind locked glass cabinets. Even knives, tactical flashlights and holsters are locked up. ANYTHING gun related.
You don't realize how much could change fast... In 10 years we went from having capguns pulled from walmart to this.
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Dang, it looks like my favorite source of inexpensive .357 has dried up. I should have bought those six boxes of Perfecta when I saw them in the case a couple weeks ago!
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DWalt
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Was at the local WM this morning. Not a single box of Perfecta to be seen in any size in the ammo cabinet.
HOUSTON RICK
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There is a Wal-Mart in Webster, TX (south of Houston) where they must send all the stuff that they take out of the other stores.
Funflyer
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I heard many rumors during the last year that Walmart wasn't going to carry 22LR anymore either, but today I saw five 300 rounds boxes of CCI so I picked up two. I asked the cashier if they were discontinuing Perfecta and her response was no one knows but they did get a shipment in just two weeks ago but it was all sold.
Squaregrouper
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When it first came on the scene, we must have been the test market. They temporarily had rollback pricing of $5.97 a box for 9mm. Their .223 was $9.97 a box. People didn't get too excited until they realized that price was for 50rds of .223, not 20rds.
Now that it is gone, I'm mad I only bought 1000rds of each.
I'm in the metro Baltimore MD area and all ammo in Maryland is locked in cases. A guy on MDShooters pointed out that any Walmart near public transportation routes doesn't sell firearms. I thought about it and damn if he wasn't correct.
Now that it is gone, I'm mad I only bought 1000rds of each.
I'm in the metro Baltimore MD area and all ammo in Maryland is locked in cases. A guy on MDShooters pointed out that any Walmart near public transportation routes doesn't sell firearms. I thought about it and damn if he wasn't correct.
Walmart squeezes suppliers to the point of bankruptcy. I'm sure they tried to strong arm Fiochi for price concessions.
DWalt
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Indeed they do. I have understood that both Wal-Mart and its sister organization Sam's Club essentially require some of their suppliers to consign merchandise to them for sale, letting the suppliers finance W-M and Sam's Club inventories. Suppliers don't get paid until the product is sold to a customer. Now that's a sweet deal.
...And people ask me why I don't go back to NY to visit! I'm repeating myself, but if I can buy ammo "painlessly," as a savvy poster said above, I would do so. Try buying a box of ammo and have it entered into a log. That's 'box,' not 'case.' This is what shooters in more "enlightened" areas are forced to do.
And, BTW, I'm finding anti-gun vibes here in the valley. What poster Practical wrote above bears re-reading. And remembering.
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S&WIowegan
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Squeezing suppliers.....
is an old and familiar game. As a retired business person, I recall vividly many stories from suppliers to Sears. Sears knew full well they were extremely important to their suppliers and squeezed many of them to death. Walmart is just doing what Sears perfected.
As soon as I heard stories about Perfecta and Walmart, I assumed Walmart demanded lower prices and/or Perfecta said they demanded higher prices. Apparently Perfecta had better options.
Walmart is waking up to the threat of online shopping(retail bankruptcies are daily occurences). Walmart is also very sensitive to local pressure against guns/ammo. They stopped selling ammo at a store in Ames Iowa 20 years ago after a teenager bought ammo and committed suicide. I once bought a Ruger 10/22 at Walmart and the hassle was ridiculous. I've never even tried to buy at Walmart since.
These new ammo laws in NY and CA are designed to discourage buyers AND sellers. Create enough hassle and retailers will opt out of the business. Just a long, slow squeeze toward the end game. Good news/bad news....I'll be dead before they get it done.
is an old and familiar game. As a retired business person, I recall vividly many stories from suppliers to Sears. Sears knew full well they were extremely important to their suppliers and squeezed many of them to death. Walmart is just doing what Sears perfected.
As soon as I heard stories about Perfecta and Walmart, I assumed Walmart demanded lower prices and/or Perfecta said they demanded higher prices. Apparently Perfecta had better options.
Walmart is waking up to the threat of online shopping(retail bankruptcies are daily occurences). Walmart is also very sensitive to local pressure against guns/ammo. They stopped selling ammo at a store in Ames Iowa 20 years ago after a teenager bought ammo and committed suicide. I once bought a Ruger 10/22 at Walmart and the hassle was ridiculous. I've never even tried to buy at Walmart since.
These new ammo laws in NY and CA are designed to discourage buyers AND sellers. Create enough hassle and retailers will opt out of the business. Just a long, slow squeeze toward the end game. Good news/bad news....I'll be dead before they get it done.
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BIGDOC
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I was in the new BASS PRO in Daytona beach and they now carry Perfecta ammo and it costs more than it did at Wally World. I was getting .357 for $16.....no more.
I stopped by WM last week and took a look. Only a few boxes of Perfecta in the case, and there were 2 less after I left 
$15.44 a box for brass-cased 45 ACP FMJ was good enough that I couldn't pass it up.
$15.44 a box for brass-cased 45 ACP FMJ was good enough that I couldn't pass it up.
StakeOut
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I sold 22 boxes of 9mm Perfecta yesterday that was sitting at the bottom of my safe.I have more than enough to last a while.
My 3 local Walmarts haven't had any Prefecta ammo for a few months.It's very popular in this area.The 30-06 and 40S&W were the last to go.
My 3 local Walmarts haven't had any Prefecta ammo for a few months.It's very popular in this area.The 30-06 and 40S&W were the last to go.
Recusant
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I compare the prices on ammoseek to what the LGS is getting! In stock ammo, guns, magazines, and reloading supplies
CheaperThanDirt! is still selling it. I just got a e-mail from them.
I think the reason he was looking for perfecta is because Wally's was closing it out and he was hoping to get some at a bargain price.
CTD is one of those places I won't buy from unless it is something I absolutely have to get and I can't find it anywhere else - even if CTD is cheaper. They are opportunistic scum who take advantage of every shortage to price gouge.
oneounceload
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You may not like their pricing model, but there is no such thing as gouging. You either willingly pay the seller for an item or you don't. NO one is forcing you to pay what you perceive as a high price.
Um, actually, what they have done repeatedly is cancel people's pending orders - saying that the merchandise is not available - and then re-list the same merchandise at 50% to 100% markup within a day or two. This was a particularly common practice for them during some of the ammo shortages following mass-shootings.
IMO that is unethical and amounts to gouging. That is the kind of stuff that keeps me from buying from them. And it is not a one or two time occurrence either. It is a pattern of behavior with CTD. Google it.
Like I said I don't buy from them, and I am not bashful about explaining why. Others can do with that information what they will.
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Point in fact, you're incorrect.
'Price gouging' exists (hence the existence of the term). You don't get to deny something exists, just because you don't personally find it's practice to be objectionable.
This "logic" is not much different than denying a murder took place, because "he needed killin'."
When a gas station during a disaster quadruples the price of their gas, and charges $5 for a bottle of water, obviously they're not forcing anyone at gunpoint to buy their goods, but it still IS price gouging.
MichiganScott
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These practices constitute, at the very least, some form of fraud. I don't consider it gouging; I consider it theft.
I haven't opened a CTD catalog or email since Sandy Hook.
Well, theft is stealing someone else's property so that doesn't fit this situation either.
It is more like lying and/or going back on your word. After having agreed on a price to sell an item for then backing out of the deal so you can sell it to someone else for more is dishonest.
I referred to it as gouging because in every case they marked the item up to an extreme degree due to a sudden increase in demand or reduction in the supply.
Whatever you want to call it, the practice is unethical.
I don't do business with people or companies like that, and I tell others about it when I learn that someone or a company does business that way.
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