Phamacist convicted: 1st degree muder.

At the risk of offending some here, if all I have been able to ascertain regarding this case is correct, the man commited murder. Premeditation is inferred, at least to me, when he retrieved the second gun and shot the guy on the floor. We as responsible advocates of our 2nd amendment rights constantly talk about how we are responsible, law abiding and so forth. As I see this, the man commited murder. YMMV
 
Clearly Murder.

That's why it's so important to do it right the first time with as many rounds as possible from as large of firearm as possible.

And it shows why doing the right thing after a good shoot is as important as what you do before. He went from good shoot to murder. Not very smart.

Emory
 
Nobody would be dead, no-one shot...

If the two punks stayed at home.

The only "Victim" here is the pharmacist. He didn't plan his day around shooting someone to death.

The two perps put him in that position. They stayed out of his store, didn't' threaten his life .... They would still be fine.

Instead, their choices put him in a untenable position.....not of his choosing. He didn't ask for this...he just responded.
 
I have to agree with Gizamo. The man was minding his "business".
They came in looking for trouble and got more than they could handle.

I think they started it, and he finished it. I feel sorry for the phamacist not the "bad guys".

There is allot more I can say but it won't change anybody's mind, one way or the other.
 
Never, Never, underestimate the power of adrenalin. It can save your butt, and it can make you over react. Macho statements even under a stressful situation just might come back to haunt you. What did they say during the 2nd.world war.."Loose Lips Sink Ships" In the 60's the proprietor would have probably been given a award...Not now. Times change...But that was in the 60's the perp was probably denied mothers milk or something.....Misunderstood I'm sure ???????
 
gizamo said:
Nobody would be dead, no-one shot...

If the two punks stayed at home.

The only "Victim" here is the pharmacist. He didn't plan his day around shooting someone to death.

The two perps put him in that position. They stayed out of his store, didn't' threaten his life .... They would still be fine.

Instead, their choices put him in a untenable position.....not of his choosing. He didn't ask for this...he just responded.
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You nailed it.

Not too long ago the government identified really bad people and paid cash dead or alive for them. Today you kill a person that presents deadly force and your likely the one in trouble and having to explain yourself. Usually to people that were never in that situation of have zero concept of the basic principal of who started it and made all the bad decisions.

It matters little if your a Dr. or a Border Patrol agent. Criminals have a LOT more rights than they deserve.
 
Speaking of BP agents the guy acted exactly like charlie askins. In charlies day you got away with it and probley got a accomination. In todays world both would be cell mates. We are in a nanny sistem. Now if the pharmacist would have wept and fell apart that he was so scared the poor misfortuned. misunderstood miscrant was going to wake up and harm him and that he was ashamed of himself that out of fear he shot him, he probley would have got off, or very little time.
Do not gloat if you win!
 
I feel that it was murder. The shooter went from crime victim to criminal.

That said, my sympathy doesn't go to the deceased but to the shooter and his family. Their lives have been changed forever.
 
OFT II said:
I feel that it was murder. The shooter went from crime victim to criminal.

That said, my sympathy doesn't go to the deceased but to the shooter and his family. Their lives have been changed forever.
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Tough choices...


Be a victim of two potential murderers and lay Down and die...or make a decision to be judged by Twelve....

Or carried by Six.

Again, he was not lookin for this. They came for him.
 
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ladder13 said:
Guilty as found, fry him. :mad:
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My take....

Assuming the perp lives, and his buddy has gotten away, my life is toast. They, or their gang member pals will be back for retribution. Especially prior to a criminal proceeding. My family is now in jeopardy.

One of you show me a tape that shows the threat has been neutralized. Doesn't' exist.

The guy should have shut up, never said boo to law enforcement.

There is the lesson.
 
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gizamo said:
My take....

Assuming the perp lives, and his buddy has gotten away, my life is toast. They, or their gang member pals will be back for retribution. Especially prior to a criminal proceeding. My family is now in jeopardy.

One of you show me a tape that shows the threat has been neutralized. Doesn't' exist.

The guy should have shut up, never said boo to law enforcement.

There is the lesson.
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Their gang member pals probably saw the video too and now he can't be there to protect his family.
 
Would you all feel the same way if the police handled uses of force the same way? Shoot the perps to the point they could no longer resist arrest, or where unconscious, and then summarily execute them?

There's a right way and a wrong way to do it. This pharmacist just did it the wrong way.

I've been lucky enough to attend 6 Thunder Ranch classes as well as being a retired LEO.

I remember Clint Smith saying something to the affect of you may only get to do this once, do it right. Shoot the snot out of them. Words to such affect.

Carry a large caliber weapon with lots of rounds, or know how to reload really well, or carry a New York reload and know ahead of time your going to shoot the snot our of anybody that needs shooting. And in the home do it with a 5.56 or 12 Ga. Then you have less chance of worrying about wounded perps.

Emory
 
I don't believe when confronting an assualt, you can go from good guy to the bad guy. In essence some are trying to say what the pharmacist did makes him just as guilty as the attackers. The law saw it that way but I don't agree. He wasn't a vigilante, just a scared man finishing a job the police and judges never did. He is a hero, not a "bad guy".
 
A guy tried to carjack a friend of mine at gunpoint several years ago in the DC area. My friend was with his pregnant wife at the time. When he had the chance, my friend drew his Sig P226 and shot the would be carjacker several times.

He then had his wife call the police while he disarmed the guy and tried to provide first aid. The dying guy was 18 years old - my friend sat with him and told him he would be okay, until he died just before the ambulance got there.

I think that is how a man should handle himself.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-1024950.html
 
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IMO, shooting someone execution style multiple times after reloading or with a different gun is not "self-defense" anymore. He deserves some sort of punishment, whether manslaughter or some lesser murder charge. That being said, I won't shed any tears over the perp who is now taking a dirt nap.
 
shoould have double tapped the guy in the first place. finished him off before running after the second guy. something that could also be construed as not self defense. since as soon as the guy ran off he was no longer a threat to the guys personal safety
 
Once he dropped the one and the other ran away he had successfully defended himself and his co workers and the self defense situation was over. If the one on the floor still posed a threat he would've finished him off before chasing down the other. Sure you don't see the downed perp in the video but the way he casually walked by him and left him in the store with his co workers to run out and play Dirty Harry pretty much tells the story.
 
To all those who are carrying a concealed weapon and feel this individual handled the situation correctly, and was wrongly convicted, and would have done the same thing yourself, I suggest you either update your training or stop carrying a gun. You don't understand the law and are a threat to others and yourself. Please seek professional help (training) immediately.
 
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