Phamacist convicted: 1st degree muder.

Pharmacist sentenced to life in prison

The judge sentenced him this morning. Life.

As many have said, this should be a sobering reminder to all of us who carry. In that split-second when you make your decision to shoot in self-defense, there must be 3 attributes present: Ability, Opportunity, Intent.

If any are missing EVERY TIME you fire, best action is to run away and/or stop shooting, IMO.

Pharmacist gets life for killing would-be robber - US news - Crime & courts - msnbc.com
 
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Will Carry said:
I would appeal and plead temporary insanity plus get a better lawyer. Of course "I" wouldn't have done what he did and I wouldn't use a "Judge" for self defense either. The Judge is not a good shotgun and not a good revolver yet everyone who owns one loves it. Probably because they have never gotten in to a gun fight with one.
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The "Judge" was made for one purpose in mind...Defense against watermelons in parking garages. :D
 
To my way of thinking this is a case of legitimate self defense that got turned into murder by an act of stupidity on the part of the pharmacist.

Lesson being: It is just as important to know when to stop shooting as it is to know when to shoot. Also neither God or the state has appointed any of us as executioners.
 
NKJ nut said:
To my way of thinking this is a case of legitimate self defense that got turned into murder by an act of stupidity on the part of the pharmacist.

Lesson being: It is just as important to know when to stop shooting as it is to know when to shoot. Also neither God or the state has appointed any of us as executioners.
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You're right, but considering who the "victim" was, I would rather call it unlicensed trash removal. Bottom line is that he did his community a good deed, and is being punished for it. Again, not saying it's not murder, just that it was a net gain to the community and violated no one's rights. More of it would be a good thing, without the video camera.

P.S. Myself, I wouldn't do it. Not so sure that the community deserves it. The people who deserve help usually don't need it, because they have provided for themselves.
 
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I think the pharmacist didn't get an educated jury. Any internet user knows a .380 isn't big enough to kill anyone.
 
Sounds like cold blooded murder to me. Once their down, their down. Now, a few quick shots to "immobilize" them on their way down, well that is still self defense. If they die in the process, well, they won't be suing me :D
 
Rule 303 said:
In Rural Texas we have the "He Just Needed Killin' Laws" that cover situations like this.
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Thankfully, no such thing exists today. The "he needed killing" is an urban myth that goes back to the Wild West days.

Trial by a jury of one's peers is one of the most important principles this country was founded on. It is one of the cornerstones we cherish and millions of Americans have given their all fighting for it and other rights that make us what we are as a country.

Once the pharmacist went out and came back in and started shooting the downed robber he went from victim to two bit killer.

Bob
 
feralmerril said:
Do not gloat if you win!
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Since the video so obviously makes the man's actions appear to be voluntary manslaughter (or less), I wonder if some of this went on well after the heat of the incident, or even in the courtroom?

Years ago Jeff Cooper, after he had observed the results of many urban shootings, advised it was invariably in the best interest of the citizen-shooter to "display great remorse and distress - whether actually felt or not." :D

One friend, far more knowledgeable about these things than I ever will be, told me, "If anything like that ever happens to you, tell the police you need to go to the hospital immediately - you may be having a heart attack. Then sit down wherever you are and shut up." I thought it was kind of funny at the time, but he wasn't kidding. That's probably not up to SIGP220 .45's standards, but not all of us will have that kind of courage after killing an 18-y/o kid.
 
The only half reason for what he did is if he saw an MS-13 tattoo on the guy and he was not actually dead. That crowd are a little vindictive and dead men find it hard to ID you. Like many gangs they do not accept your right to defy them.
 
I am very opinionated and everyone knows that. Also I do not feel the sentence was justified.

Yet this is the exact reason I do not endorse carrying a lot of ammo or a second gun. I have seen it happen to many times. The heart is pumping, the blood pressure is up and someone is shot (with justification) but then the intended victim sees movement, be it mental or real, and begins to shoot more or reloads and shoots more. Then we have exactly what the druggist did.

An over zealous prosecutor can have a field day, even with the ammo carried but not used. It can be made worse if a racial card is played, if the community gets behind the victim or many more situations.

Did the druggist act improperly? The jury felt so but the jury was not there to see what was going on off camera. It is a shame the druggist is going to suffer for the actions that a criminal began.
 
sipowicz said:
He should have shot him in Florida...
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Even with the stand your ground law here in Florida, IMO this would still be unjustifiable use of deadly force. I watched the video, the pharmacist was wrong to shoot him again after he was down. He literally walks over the guy before coming back and killing him.
 
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David LaPell said:
Yes the proverbial putting a cap in his, well you get the rest, goes above and beyond the call of self defense. Once they're down, and surrendered, you can't just continue to pump bullets into them. That's why he got a murder charge. As far as self defense, umm no, it won't bother me.
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NO, it was the camera that got him, the old saying, watch their hands should be ammended to add watch for cameras as werll
 
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cochise said:
I don't believe when confronting an assualt, you can go from good guy to the bad guy. In essence some are trying to say what the pharmacist did makes him just as guilty as the attackers. The law saw it that way but I don't agree. He wasn't a vigilante, just a scared man finishing a job the police and judges never did. He is a hero, not a "bad guy".
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AMEN, was the punk still armed when he hit the floor? anybody know?
 
coltgun said:
AMEN, was the punk still armed when he hit the floor? anybody know?
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I may be mistaken, but I believe that the video showed him walking by the perp on the floor as though he were no danger. That may be exactly what convicted him. I know that without that, I would acquit for exactly the same reason you seem to be implying.
 
Almost any seasoned LEO will confirm they have seen people still moving about after a head shot. The perp could have been trying to get up and the druggist felt he and the other employees were in danger. It could have been movement due to nerve damage. Videos do not always show the whole story or scene.

I hope the guy gets out and goes back to work. The city needs to give him a medal for Public Service.
 
oldman45 said:
Almost any seasoned LEO will confirm they have seen people still moving about after a head shot. The perp could have been trying to get up and the druggist felt he and the other employees were in danger. It could have been movement due to nerve damage. Videos do not always show the whole story or scene.

I hope the guy gets out and goes back to work. The city needs to give him a medal for Public Service.
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Lots of things could have been but probably wasn't. There was a video so we don't have to speculate about what happened.
 
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