Piers gets owned on 2nd Amendment

[Cordite]

I just watched the video posted above and I am a little torn on both sides. It was really nothing more than a heated debate, but that is what Morgan does. I am for guns and our rights but I do have a question....and I mean no disrespect here....we are against a gun ban so we can keep our guns...I get that, however is not our military working for the Government and Obama? If the Government did decide to go nuts and do the tyranny thing....as the military is under Obama's control, would we not be fighting against the best military in the world? That being the case our small amount of firepower and lack of real combat training compared to the US Military.....well we would not stand a chance. Somehow, someway I think we as gun owners need a different approach but I have no idea what that is. LOL

Don't know if you recall the 29 Palms Survey back in 1995. The survey was a 46 question surevey given to 300 Marines at 29 Palms.

The question that caused the most alarm was this:

The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale, transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting firearms. A thirty (30) day amnesty period is permitted for these firearms to be turned over to the local authorities. At the end of this period, a number of citizen groups refuse to turn over their firearms. Consider the following statement: I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government.

26% said yes, 12% had no opinion and over 60% said "NO".

Our military takes an oath not to support any administration; it takes an Oath to support, protect and defend the US Constitution. With close to or over 20 million active and veteran members of the military in this Country, any order to attack US citizens embracing their Rights under the Constitution would be a huge issue.

Clinton recognized this back during the first assault weapons ban, which is why he floated the issue of bringing police in from Singapore to help wth enforcement at one point.

A foreign military force (like the UN) on US soil would be viewed by many current and former memebrs of the military as a invasion. There is certainly NO authority in the US Constitution to "outsource" domestic law enforcement services to foreign concerns.

While the military is less of a concern, keep in mind that federal law enforcement is formidible in its own right. Homeland Security alone (without the Coast Guard and a few other large agencies) claims over 200,000 employees. But again, the oath taken is one to support the Constitution.

With that said, we do have past precedent for concern: the Bonus Army slaughter back in 1932, and then more modern examples like Ruby Ridge and Waco.

I think the government is at least wise enough to realize that any attack on US citizens would cause a serious split in the military, possibly causing some of them to disobey orders which they view as illegal. I think the same thoughts (although not to as great of an extent) would surely cross the minds of civilian law enforcement. At least I hope.

 

[10ring]

I just watched the video posted above and I am a little torn on both sides. It was really nothing more than a heated debate, but that is what Morgan does. I am for guns and our rights but I do have a question....and I mean no disrespect here....we are against a gun ban so we can keep our guns...I get that, however is not our military working for the Government and Obama? If the Government did decide to go nuts and do the tyranny thing....as the military is under Obama's control, would we not be fighting against the best military in the world? That being the case our small amount of firepower and lack of real combat training compared to the US Military.....well we would not stand a chance. Somehow, someway I think we as gun owners need a different approach but I have no idea what that is. LOL

The tyranny thing is a divisive topic. I suggest we not let it sidetrack or divide us. Some of us are more extreme in our views, and some less so. But here's the thing...look at the people really driving the gun thing. They don't really care about assault rifles and magazines per se, they just see them as vulnerable. The Brady group, Bloomberg, Feinstein and so many in the media want to get rid of private ownership of guns or at least reduce it to something like one would see in England or Australia, and no matter where you are on this issue, I don't think any of us would want that.

Without taking a position on the tyranny thing, also keep this in mind...it is one thing to engage in all-out warfare using hardcore military weapons. It is another to subdue a population that includes armed resistance. Look at the British experience in northern Ireland. An armed populace standing up to the military is less ludicrous than you might think.

 

[Cordite]

Without taking a position on the tyranny thing, also keep this in mind...it is one thing to engage in all-out warfare using hardcore military weapons. It is another to subdue a population that includes armed resistance. Look at the British experience in northern Ireland. An armed populace standing up to the military is less ludicrous than you might think.

It certainly kept the Germans out of Switzerland and the Japanese out of the US mainland in WWII.

 

[Xtasy]

Look what happens in Afghanistan. We are using top of the notch technology still the little farmer with his ak47 is preventing military for over 12 years to really take control. I think the same would happen in a case of civil war where US gov is using military to fight its own people.

Secondary I have faith in our soldiers that they would never turn on their own people

 

[s1mp13m4n]

The tyranny thing is a divisive topic. I suggest we not let it sidetrack or divide us. Some of us are more extreme in our views, and some less so. But here's the thing...look at the people really driving the gun thing. They don't really care about assault rifles and magazines per se, they just see them as vulnerable. The Brady group, Bloomberg, Feinstein and so many in the media want to get rid of private ownership of guns or at least reduce it to something like one would see in England or Australia, and no matter where you are on this issue, I don't think any of us would want that.

Without taking a position on the tyranny thing, also keep this in mind...it is one thing to engage in all-out warfare using hardcore military weapons. It is another to subdue a population that includes armed resistance. Look at the British experience in northern Ireland. An armed populace standing up to the military is less ludicrous than you might think.

Thanks for the input on this. I guess I do not fully understand the truth of what is really happening right now about gun rights. There are so many divided views on the news it is hard to pick out the facts from hype and pure Rambo fantasy. I am new to all this gun stuff and when I was younger I simply did not care about any of this stuff as it did not effect me or so I thought. I am hoping to buy my first handgun next month and with all this shooting stuff going on in the news I now have an interest in what is going on.

 

[COL Jagdog]

My first thought is that Piers Morgan is exactly the type of effete English snob that Evelyn Waugh and other well-known British writers have ridiculed over the years -- and he reflects a number of the reasons we rejected the rule of the Crown over 200 years ago.

Second thought, the Posse Commitatus Act makes it illegal to use active-duty military to engage in law enforcement activities -- and since commanders are sworn to uphold and defend the constitution and they have JAG's (Judge Advocate General officers) assigned to them as part of their personal staff, they (the commanders) would be advised that they would be violating federal law by their JAG. I have had to advise commanders that their proposed actions would be prohibited by PCA. That is why no active duty helicopters are used in drug interdiction. The National Guard can lend assistance to law enforcement as long as they remain in a Title 32 status (Title 32 of the US Code) -- i.e. as long as they have not been "federalized" --i.e.
not brought onto Title 10 status (active-duty troop status). The governors of the various states are the commander-in-chiefs of their National Guard units unless the units are federalized and issued Title 10 orders by the Pentagon. Most governors are going to be very reluctant to interfere with gun ownership by using the National Guard
because of the huge political issues it would create and the fact that the National Guard troops are full-time civilians -- I would predict many troops refusing orders to confiscate guns (assuming it would ever get to that stage).

 

[Steely Dan]

1.) Is Piers Morgan a naturalized US citizen?
No he is not, he is here on a visa.
Therefore he should shut his pie hole. He has no business whatsoever telling ANY American anything!

You are on our blood-bought soil!

You tread willfully on our God-given rights!

Your own country rejects you!

2.) Morgan kept asking Shapiro "why does anyone need an AR15"?

Because we have the right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness.

I find it personally insulting that I have to pay $115.00, get fingerprinted and wait 90 days to get my CCW, when the 2nd Amendment clearly states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

I have the right now..........yet because I am a law abiding citizen, I will obey Tennessee law and wait for my license.

Morgan spits in the face of any law abiding US citizen and should be deported for stirring dissent. He is nothing but a screen whore whose repugnant attitude is a disgrace.

 

[s1mp13m4n]

Tell me sumthin' if Morgan is disliked so much, would CNN not see this and get this dude off the air? Do you think they like the debates as it brings them viewers, money, and ratings? If we are gonna have a British journalist on a US news channel then why can't we have pro gun Jeremy Clarkson?

 

[boxerrider]

Cut off the cash flow

Television programs are expensive, and that money comes from advertising.
Write a letter:

Dear (company with something I can do without),

I observed Piers Morgan making inaccurate and unconstitutional statements on CNN and also noticed that your advertising dollars supported it. While I have enjoyed the use of your (product/service) in the past I would like you to know that I will not purchase it in the future.

Sincerely,
Second Amendment Supporter

Make your letter match your situation of course, but you get the idea.

Keep up the good fight!
Jeff

 

[retarmyaviator]

It is illegal for me to own such a firearm without approval

That fact does not make the firearms illegal.

 

[Delos]

Why Piers is what he is

Has Piers apologized yet for the English Military advisor that was with Santa Anna attacking the Alamo. Davy Crockett and the guys were killed with English Brown Bess Muskets (Assault Muskets?). Maybe the cannon’s were English also? (The revolutionary war was never over for many?)

When you watch the old “Mutiny on the Bounty” movie Those guys dressed in suits and steering the ship from the rear were the descendants of the conquering Normans. They were on a mission to get breadfruit plants from those islands, to feed slaves in the warmer American colonies. The guys climbing the riggings wearing horizontal striped T ****s were the Anglo-Saxons and Celtic lower class serf types. He acts like his ancestors were the upper class that always kept the lower classes disarmed.

The Captains Cabin was under the stern-castle (where archers and eventually musketeers could shoot down on lesser ships). When any ship was boarded by enemy sailors the officers (Normans) retreated to the Captains Quarters and shot out through the gun ports (both sides of the door) to clear the deck. (Probably not necessary if the Anglo-Saxons were winning using pikes and swords?)

He has not evolved much.

 

[Delos]

One thing I wish Shapiro would have challenged Morgan on was his crowing about the letter signed by three former Presidents, Ford, Carter and Reagan:



Now let's move to Reagan. Reagan signed that letter in 1994 - the same year he announced he had been diagnosed with Alzheimers disease:

I think when Gorby was spending lots of time at the Reagan ranch, the KGB probably knew Reagan was in early alzheimers. Maybe that was why he hung around?

But even in that state he convinced Gorby that we had the better political system.

 

[Xtasy]

That fact does not make the firearms illegal.

Very true, my mistake

 

[Delos]

The WW1 Veteran Bonus Marchers

Secondary I have faith in our soldiers that they would never turn on their own people

THE SAD TALE OF THE
BONUS MARCHERS
The Sad Tale of the Bonus Marchers

(9 paragraphs down)
Then on July 29,1932, troops did storm several buildings that the veterans were occupying as well as their main camp, setting tents on fire and forcing an evacuation.

Additions and comments on these pages may be directed to:
Michael E. Hanlon ([email protected]) regarding content,
or toMike Iavarone ([email protected]) regarding form and function.
Original artwork & copy; © 1998-2000, The Great War Society

 

[andrewb70]

Look what happens in Afghanistan. We are using top of the notch technology still the little farmer with his ak47 is preventing military for over 12 years to really take control. I think the same would happen in a case of civil war where US gov is using military to fight its own people.

Secondary I have faith in our soldiers that they would never turn on their own people

The occupation of Afghanistan bankrupted the USSR, which eventually led to the fall of the whole nation. Unfortunately, our current occupation of Afghanistan (along with entitlement obligations) is also driving this country into insolvency.

As far as soldiers not turning on their own people, well, you might review what happened in New Orleans in the wake of Katrina.

Andrew

 

[COL Jagdog]

The occupation of Afghanistan bankrupted the USSR, which eventually led to the fall of the whole nation. Unfortunately, our current occupation of Afghanistan (along with entitlement obligations) is also driving this country into insolvency.

As far as soldiers not turning on their own people, well, you might review what happened in New Orleans in the wake of Katrina.

Andrew

Just curious about your second paragraph: "As far as soldiers not turning on their own people, well, you might review what happened in New Orleans in the wake of Katrina" --

What are your insights about troops in New Orleans after New Orleans?
,

 

[COL Jagdog]

Actually, what I meant to say was :"What are your insights about troops in New Orleans after Katrina?"

 

[stumper]

I am getting really mad.. Why in the hell is nobody explaining on TV that assault rifles are illegal and that a AR15 is not one of those.....

For the same reason that no one seems to be addressing the claims that 40% of guns sold at gun shows do not go through background checks and that people by and sell guns on the internet without using an FFL... I've been waiting for the NRA, GOP or "someone" to address those bogus "facts" too but as usual the silence will tell the uninformed that they must be true..

 

[Delos]

Troops after national disasters

Actually, what I meant to say was :"What are your insights about troops in New Orleans after Katrina?"

National Guard can be used to protect peoples property, businesses, state and federal property and such, from looters and vandals - after big fires and earthquakes and floods, and such. Nothing new here. Other military units can be called after doing the right requests. Coast Guard was heavily involved in New Orleans Flood.

In North Dakota floods a few years ago the air boats and drivers were supplied from some military source (Coast Guard?). (The type seen in Florida with large air propellers behind the driver, skimming over everglades). Up here they were perfect for rescuing people from ice. They skim over water then up on frozen parts of lakes or rivers really well. They barely slow down going from river water up and over large chunks of what was river ice before the thaw. To farmers trapped on hills and broken ice those modern hot doggers were like angels. Real unusual sight in North Dakota. You can probably find nice pictures at the Bismarck Tribune Newspaper site using the right key word search.

The army style trucks with their big wheels can go across flooded areas that are just a bit too deep for cars and pickup trucks.

 

[Delos]

Power Vacuums, friends, alliances or going broke in Afghanistan?

The occupation of Afghanistan bankrupted the USSR, which eventually led to the fall of the whole nation. Unfortunately, our current occupation of Afghanistan (along with entitlement obligations) is also driving this country into insolvency.

Just my opinion - no secret documents. Just from reading news articles and word of mouth.

Afghanistan and China has large deposits of the very rare minerals needed in super magnets. Very important in next generation electric vehicles, batteries, and windmills.

Power vacuums are tough to fill. After WWII Europe and the pacific was full of power vacuums. If you can find a map of Japan at the height of their conquest - they had all pacific Islands and coastal areas from near Hawaii, to half the island near Australia, to some Aleutian Islands.
German Conquests in Europe was a similar thing.

In the 1950’s a (later) friend of mine was an US Army advisor to the South Vietnamese Army. In the North were Russian Advisors training them. (Competition in power vacuums - rubber trees, minerals, strategic military bases)

You may remember that when we drove Saddam’s army out of Kuwait, eventually attacking Iraq - first bombing his air strips - his planes we destroyed where Russian Migs and French Mirages. The exocet missile that hit one of our ships during the Iraq - Iran war was fired by a French Mirage fighter jet from Iraq. The exocet missile that hit a brittish ship in the Falkland Islands war was also fired from am Argentina French Mirage.

Sometimes you profit monetarily or strategically, sometimes you lose financially. Not good to let some other country take over a valuable country by use of mercenaries or by financing a group opposed to the new guy in town. Or being their military supplier.
(Again, just my opinion)