Well, after quite some time with the extra springs removed...I returned my Siggy to it's original configuration. Why? Well this is the pistol I carry off duty. I didn't want to give any attorney something to chew on if I'm ever forced to use it. It's now in factory condition so no worries there. For those that say there is no difference with the springs in or out, I have to disagree. There was a noticeably heavier trigger. It's not a big deal though....it's kind of like shooting a 14 shot .40cal revolver. This is something I don't mind. If you like high speed race guns this is not the pistol for you. But as my daily carry I love it. No worries about accidental discharge. Well that's all for now.
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Pigtail back in!
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Tslepebull
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Smooth, heavy, and reliable beats rough, light, and iffy any time. I agree about the revolver analogy; that is what I like best about the SW/SD series.
Makes a lot of sense to me. I've installed Apex kits in a SD and my M&Ps, but there is something about removing the springs from a Sigma that makes me think it is not such a good idea -- not if the gun is going to be used elsewhere than on the range. I think S&W would agree. I mean, its a free country, but there is a lot to consider before doing it. Good on ya for putting the spring back in.
I'm afraid I must respectfully disagree with you on some of your points. Why would you not use a Sigma besides at the range. Is a .40 or 9mm not good for home defense, public carry, wildlife protection? Yes most of the use it will see is at the range like any other gun. I don't see and have not had ANY problems with the spring removal. The trigger travel is the same and still requires more than 7#s of pull. The first gen Sigmas didn't have 3 springs and they were fine, just glock didn't like it.
You are right S&W would agree for you to not take the springs out of the Sigma. They would also agree that you "johnny gun owner" shouldn't be putting any aftermarket parts that makes it different than the way it came from the factory. I see you speak of the SD and MP, but have you owned a Sigma? It may not be built to the perfection of your M&P, but I assure you it's just as safe in proper hands.
Now good for anyone who wants to keep the gun the way it came from the factory. It's hard to say that removing the pigtail spring is is a bad thing when you use aftermarket parts in other guns.
I'm not bashing you I just have a friendly disagreement.
If you look at the design of the sear assembly the springs all apply force in different directions. The sear on the sigma must be pushed rear and down to release the striker. The pigtail spring puts force against the rearward movement while the two coil springs apply force against the downward motion. By removing the pigtail spring you no longer have a spring applying force to push the sear forward to reset the action, you rely only on the coil springs that push the sear up to reset the action. with the pigtail spring remove there is no direct force applied to reset the action. The 2 coil springs push the sear up that rides against the curved plastic housing which indirectly helps to reset the action.
With the cam like design forces are needed in each direction, but its your gun do as you wish.
With the cam like design forces are needed in each direction, but its your gun do as you wish.
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Yes, I found out the hard way
Taking the pigtail out removes the tension required to reset the striker. The lighter Galloway outer spring between the sear frame and the sear works fine. No problem there. cbr6864 has the physics of the sear down. That spring is a pain to put back; leave it in place.
Taking the pigtail out removes the tension required to reset the striker. The lighter Galloway outer spring between the sear frame and the sear works fine. No problem there. cbr6864 has the physics of the sear down. That spring is a pain to put back; leave it in place.
I would like to thank you for your service , big THANKS : )
& hope you don't have to use either.
My 2 year old SD9ve is stock & I am very happy with it. The only thing I can see the heaver trigger did was make me a much better shot with any other pistol I shoot.
never heard in my area of any body checking what spring a person had in their gun after they had to use the gun. if we go by this standard then we should not do any work on our guns to make them better. keep them factory fresh with no f&b or other add on.
For any self defense weapon that is what I do.
Don't know that I have ever heard of that coming up either.
I guess if it were to be an accidental shooting ?
I wonder if & if not law enforcement are able to modify their duty weapons ?
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hangnoose
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AT LEAST TRY IT FIRST BEFORE ORDERING NEW SPRINGS/TRIGGERS.
JUST MY 2 CENTS, but learn to use the trigger as it comes from the factory before altering & voiding the warranty, or increasing trial costs if it is ever used for self defense. NO IT "SHOULDN'T" change the outcome/verdict in a good shoot, BUT anything that takes more time/ more spoken words in court will increase the costs. Remember the stenographer gets paid by the word. I see shooters better than me constantly tweaking triggers/springs, and these always seem to be the same guys having stoppages all the time and slowing things up at BP and SC matches, yet gripe when I want to shoot a J frame with speed strips. Rifles & strict range guns I am much more likely to modify.
JUST MY 2 CENTS, but learn to use the trigger as it comes from the factory before altering & voiding the warranty, or increasing trial costs if it is ever used for self defense. NO IT "SHOULDN'T" change the outcome/verdict in a good shoot, BUT anything that takes more time/ more spoken words in court will increase the costs. Remember the stenographer gets paid by the word. I see shooters better than me constantly tweaking triggers/springs, and these always seem to be the same guys having stoppages all the time and slowing things up at BP and SC matches, yet gripe when I want to shoot a J frame with speed strips. Rifles & strict range guns I am much more likely to modify.
